[opensuse-factory] About dropped packages -- xmms
HI some time ago i asked about dropped packages policy [1], coolo answered that "But lately "dropped" means often: moved from Factory to some build service project.". So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?? OK in coolo's answer there's the "often" word, but I don't understand why was it dropped. I searched the bugzilla, no bugs shown regarding to xmms. Yes I know what ppl are saying about xmms, but I like it and imho other people likes it too. What are saying ppl bad about xmms? some examples: 1. unmaintained. false: [2] [3] 2. it's buggy, as i said no xmms bugs in bugzilla 3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory etc btw I thought that "the mission" is to have more and more packages not to drop packages btw it's funny that the latest version of BitTorrent is v5.0.9, but Factory has 4.0.3 PS: I don't want to use audacious Regards [1] http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-factory/2007-07/msg00129.html [2] http://cvs.xmms.org/cvsweb.cgi/xmms/ [3] http://www.xmms.org/next_version.php -- Andy --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andras Barna wrote:
So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?
According to project website[1], xfce4-xmms-plugin works with xmms AND Beep or Audacious players. No need to require xmms. [1] http://goodies.xfce.org/projects/panel-plugins/xfce4-xmms-plugin -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o Package Maintainer Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9, CR prusnak[at]suse.cz http://www.suse.cz --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 05 September 2007 schrieb Andras Barna:
HI some time ago i asked about dropped packages policy [1], coolo answered that "But lately "dropped" means often: moved from Factory to some build service project.". So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?? OK in coolo's answer there's the "often" word, but I don't understand why was it dropped. I searched the bugzilla, no bugs shown regarding to xmms. Yes I know what ppl are saying about xmms, but I like it and imho other people likes it too. What are saying ppl bad about xmms? some examples: 1. unmaintained. false: [2] [3] 2. it's buggy, as i said no xmms bugs in bugzilla 3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory etc
btw I thought that "the mission" is to have more and more packages not to drop packages No, the goal is to have packages that are uptodate. And gtk1 using packages are not.
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On Wednesday, 5. September 2007 11:07:54 Andras Barna wrote:
3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory
But the rather sooner than later plan is to get rid of gtk1 I think.
the latest version of BitTorrent is v5.0.9, but Factory has 4.0.3
That has another reason: BitTorrent v5 introduced DHT (Trackerless Torrents), a feature we disable/patch away also within KTorrent for some legal reason. Obviously disabling/patching away this feature in BitTorrent is complex. Bye, Steve --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2007-09-05 at 12:13 +0200, Stephan Binner wrote:
On Wednesday, 5. September 2007 11:07:54 Andras Barna wrote:
3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory
But the rather sooner than later plan is to get rid of gtk1 I think.
Thats probably a long way off, there are still little dark corners that use gtk1 for custom in house apps, proprietary apps etc. (As opposed to GNOME 1.x we've dropped like a hot potato). -JP -- JP Rosevear <jpr@novell.com> Novell, Inc. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andras Barna wrote:
So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?? OK in coolo's answer there's the "often" word, but I don't understand why was it dropped. I searched the bugzilla, no bugs shown regarding to xmms. Yes I know what ppl are saying about xmms, but I like it and imho other people likes it too. What are saying ppl bad about xmms? some examples: 1. unmaintained. false: [2] [3] 2. it's buggy, as i said no xmms bugs in bugzilla 3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory etc
I understand the gtk1 part but I wonder what the replacement application would be? I haven't found a proper replacement yet given that I don't use KDE or Gnome and like lightweight applications for that purpose. I have to admit that I use amarok once in a while but that's overkill for my usage. Wolfgang --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> [2007-09-05 13:23]:
Andras Barna wrote:
So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?? OK in coolo's answer there's the "often" word, but I don't understand why was it dropped. I searched the bugzilla, no bugs shown regarding to xmms. Yes I know what ppl are saying about xmms, but I like it and imho other people likes it too. What are saying ppl bad about xmms? some examples: 1. unmaintained. false: [2] [3] 2. it's buggy, as i said no xmms bugs in bugzilla 3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory etc
I understand the gtk1 part but I wonder what the replacement application would be?
I use Audacious. Understands the same themes. http://packman.links2linux.de/package/audacious Thanks, Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wednesday 05 September 2007 15:27:02 kirjutas Bernhard Walle:
* Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> [2007-09-05 13:23]:
Andras Barna wrote:
So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?? OK in coolo's answer there's the "often" word, but I don't understand why was it dropped. I searched the bugzilla, no bugs shown regarding to xmms. Yes I know what ppl are saying about xmms, but I like it and imho other people likes it too. What are saying ppl bad about xmms? some examples: 1. unmaintained. false: [2] [3] 2. it's buggy, as i said no xmms bugs in bugzilla 3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory etc
I understand the gtk1 part but I wonder what the replacement application would be?
I use Audacious. Understands the same themes. http://packman.links2linux.de/package/audacious
as current version of audacious14 (64-bit) does not like something about installed curl, it does not play streams. bmp is dead, so only remaining choice is xmms. ain --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Ain Vagula <avagula@gmail.com> [01-01-70 11:34]:
as current version of audacious14 (64-bit) does not like something about installed curl, it does not play streams.
so... Revert to audacious-1.3.2-0.pm.0@x86_64. It does not have a problem with streams, listening to http://66.220.3.52:9010 atm. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2007/9/5, Bernhard Walle <bwalle@suse.de>:
* Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> [2007-09-05 13:23]:
Andras Barna wrote:
So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?? OK in coolo's answer there's the "often" word, but I don't understand why was it dropped. I searched the bugzilla, no bugs shown regarding to xmms. Yes I know what ppl are saying about xmms, but I like it and imho other people likes it too. What are saying ppl bad about xmms? some examples: 1. unmaintained. false: [2] [3] 2. it's buggy, as i said no xmms bugs in bugzilla 3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory etc
I understand the gtk1 part but I wonder what the replacement application would be?
I use Audacious. Understands the same themes. http://packman.links2linux.de/package/audacious
I tryed to use Audacious, but it can't add a complete directory such as xmms to the playlist. I has about 2500 songs, and with xmms I can add it in one pass. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Juan Erbes wrote:
I tryed to use Audacious, but it can't add a complete directory such as xmms to the playlist. I has about 2500 songs, and with xmms I can add it in one pass.
The 10.2 packages of xmms still work fine on 10.3 at the moment, I still have them installed :) I really think it would be nice to have on the build service though. Robert Kaiser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Andras Barna wrote:
So yesterday I searched for one of the my favorite application: xmms using webpin, in Factory only one result was: xfce4-panel-plugin-xmms, iirc it requires xmms, but where is xmms?? OK in coolo's answer there's the "often" word, but I don't understand why was it dropped. I searched the bugzilla, no bugs shown regarding to xmms. Yes I know what ppl are saying about xmms, but I like it and imho other people likes it too. What are saying ppl bad about xmms? some examples: 1. unmaintained. false: [2] [3] 2. it's buggy, as i said no xmms bugs in bugzilla 3. uses gtk 1. so? gtk1 is in Factory etc
I understand the gtk1 part but I wonder what the replacement application would be? I haven't found a proper replacement yet given that I don't use KDE or Gnome and like lightweight applications for that purpose. I have to admit that I use amarok once in a while but that's overkill for my usage.
I heard that xmms2 is interesting, but unfortunately it's not in openSUSE as well, not even in the build service. I think it would be good if xmms would be available from build service at least until GTK1 really gets killed. With that, people have a location to find it if they want it, even if it's not included in the default distro. Don't underestimate the amount of users this old sucker still has - and if it's just for simplicity and theme compatibility with those nice old Winamp themes ;-) Robert Kaiser --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
I would like to see XMMS included with openSUSE. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Alexey Eremenko (al4321@gmail.com) [20070905 14:50]:
I would like to see XMMS included with openSUSE.
As soon as xmms2 is in a usable state, I'm sure it will be included. xmms was dropped because a) it's a gtk1/glib1 package and b) isn't maintained anymore upstreams. Philipp --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Robert Kaiser wrote:
I think it would be good if xmms would be available from build service at least until GTK1 really gets killed.
What about creating GNOME:GNOME1. I can move there related gtk1, libgnome1 packages from GNOME:STABLE and GNOME:UNSTABLE and add xmms. If anybody will want more there, it will be up to anybody to add more GNOME1 packages. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
What about creating GNOME:GNOME1. I can move there related gtk1, libgnome1 packages from GNOME:STABLE and GNOME:UNSTABLE and add xmms.
+1 for this, I think it's an excellent compromise. -- James Ogley james@usr-local-bin.org http://usr-local-bin.org GNOME for openSUSE: http://software.opensuse.org/download/GNOME:/ Help end poverty: http://oxfam.org.uk/in --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
James Ogley wrote:
What about creating GNOME:GNOME1. I can move there related gtk1, libgnome1 packages from GNOME:STABLE and GNOME:UNSTABLE and add xmms.
+1 for this, I think it's an excellent compromise.
Just going to born. http://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=GNOME%3AGNOME1 http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/GNOME:/GNOME1/ I am deleting these packages from GNOME:STABLE and GNOME:UNSTABLE. xmms* will be there. I can try to revive the rest of GNOME1 from last pre-drop state as well. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Robert Kaiser -
Stanislav Brabec -
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Stephan Kulow -
Wolfgang Rosenauer