On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 09:23:32PM +0100, Peter Czanik wrote:

And the good news: if we don't consider package management, 10.1 promises to be the best SUSE release ever on both platforms! I did not encounter anything annoying with the installed packages. Bye,

I installed y2pmsh, however removing it results in errors. I asume this is also the packagemanager. Also I get a message when I log in and no matter wether I accept to be a "privelaged user" or not, it pops up and does not accept me. Most likely also the package manager. The CD-rom is unaccesible under at least KDE, even if it is the same I installed with. I go "My Computer" and then CD-Rom. When I go to /media it is seen as xmms_audio_cd. This is the change from subfs. Also I do not like the fact that half of my [CTRL][ALT][F1] is unused. I do like the look, just not the fact that it takes so much place. An this only after about 30 minutes of testing. So unfortunatly I am not able to share your enthousiasm, or the entousiasm I had with 10.0. houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Sun, Feb 19, 2006 at 10:35:17PM +0100, Martin Schlander wrote:

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Also I do not like the fact that half of my [CTRL][ALT][F1] is unused. I do like the look, just not the fact that it takes so much place.

Try ctrl+alt+f2 .. with me the terminal there is "fullscreen"

I know. Generaly I turn it off completely. houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 11:32:03AM +0100, Peter Czanik wrote:

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Also I do not like the fact that half of my [CTRL][ALT][F1] is unused. I do like the look, just not the fact that it takes so much place.

At 1680x1050 I did not really notice it on my notebook ;-)

After a standard installation: http://houghi.org/shots/ctrl_alt_f1_001.jpg As you can see, I did not really lie much when I talked about half my screen not being used. houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Monday 20 February 2006 16:01, Hans-Peter Jansen wrote:

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As you can see, I did not really lie much when I talked about half my screen not being used.

That is intentional! I do remember the times, where I have to grab my huge aluminum ruler in order to relate the items on the left with the state on the right

LOL Yes, the way it's now, although it seems funny to veterans, it's much better--a very good idea. Note that it's only for tty1 where the init messages are.

On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 09:03:41PM +0100, Christian Boltz wrote:

It shouldn't be too hard to change the initscripts - the "done" should always be printed at column 70, not at the right screen margin.

That would indeed be a lot easier.

Other programs could still use the full screen size.

Finaly somebody who feels my pain. ;-) Especially with textfiles or scripts I like my screen to be as wide as possible so not to have to look at wrapped text that much. houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau

On Mon, Feb 20, 2006 at 10:45:49PM +0200, Silviu Marin-Caea wrote:

On Monday 20 February 2006 10:34 pm, houghi wrote:

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Finaly somebody who feels my pain. ;-) Especially with textfiles or scripts I like my screen to be as wide as possible so not to have to look at wrapped text that much.

You don't need to use tty1. [Ctrl+Alt+F2,3,4...]

I am aware of that. I still don't like it. I can also change it myself. It is not a big issue, please lets do some more important stuff, like solving real bugs. houghi -- Nutze die zeit. Sie ist das Kostbarste was wir haben, denn es ist unwiederbringliche Lebenszeit. Leben ist aber mehr als Wert und Arbeit, und das Sein wichtiger als das tun. Johannes Müller-Elmau

- Konversation (IRC-client) is installed by default with KDE-installation, a small thing - but real nice nonetheless (though I wonder why it's 0.18 and not 0.19)

That is really nice since Konversation is the most noob-friendly and clean IRC-client of them all. Switched to Xchat a few days ago bot Konversation is nice too :D

- I also really like that you can specify URLs for installation sources in the GUI - in stead of having to enter protocol, server name, directory - this makes life a lot easier both for users - and for those of us who take the time to help noobs.

That was a wish I came up with some day ago only did not posted it yet. Never understood why you have to say it was an FTP while in front of it there was the part ftp:// (maybe some http that could be FTP and the other way around, and could someone explain what the different is and why that is?)

- I liked that you're offered to enter hostname during installation

Same thing, hangs with the point above I guess. One and the same thing.

- I'm looking forward to learning more about Rug - and generally for the package manager to be more usable..

We all, at the moment I know one thing of it: not usable yet :P

Plus I also like a lot of the things that appeared in earlier betas - beagle/kerry, possibility to test screen-settings with sax2 during the installation, networkmanager..

Could someone confirm the problem of Sax2 resetting the display-resolution while you only changed mouse-settings? If so I will check bugzilla for it (lazy boy) and if not listed will report.

This truly does look promising. My thanks and appreciation to everybody at SuSE working on 10.1 - and everybody who's posted bugs or wishes/feature requests.

Now I see, you are taking MY point cb200f! Shall I take the logs?! Nasty boy :D. Anyway nice that you pock up the points in IRC and make them usefull, nice work! Azerion

On Sunday, 19. February 2006 22:23, Martin Schlander wrote:

- Konversation (IRC-client) is installed by default with KDE-installation, a small thing - but real nice nonetheless (though I wonder why it's 0.18 and not 0.19)

Because 0.19 was released after the general version freeze.

like a lot of the things that appeared in earlier betas - beagle/kerry

:-) Bye, Steve

Am Monday 20 February 2006 06:12 schrieb Frank-Michael Fischer:

Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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We have received bugreports that our current installer does not handle the FACTORY ftp tree correctly and installs packages for other platforms. [Bug 151933 and Bug 151954]

I suggest to not use the tree for now,

Andreas

Shall we be informed asap, please, when the factory tree will be usable for installation again? In my current setup beta4 is impossible to install. Or shall we have to wait for BETAx or RCy?

AFAIK this is a problem in YaST and not with the ftp tree. Let's wait for some comment from the YaST people ... -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de

On 21 Feb 2006 at 0:38, Christoph Thiel wrote: [...]

The way I see it, this won't get fixed with Beta4, as the inst-sys that you would be using to start off an installation would still have the broken libzypp. So, let's either wait until a fixed libzypp hits factory and use a new/updated boot.iso then, or use the current Factory tree with y2pmsh (update only).

Hi, a question: Will it be as easy as it used to be to provide installation shares or servers (NFS, SMB, HTTP, FTP) with the new mechanism? Or was the new mechanism added to sell more of Novell infrastructure (plus maybe patented technology)? Regards, Ulrich