Looking for a maintainer for Optimus/Bumblebee
Hello openSUSE! I noticed that we can't get maintainer review for packages from https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/X11:Bumblebee The project is without a maintainer as as the only maintainer is set to factory-maintainers. Is there any volunteer who'd be taking over the Bumblebee/Optimus stack? This stack is quite crucial for laptops with dual graphics, impacts both Tumbleweed and Leap and should not be without a maintainer. https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/optimus/technology/ Thank you Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager
Hello, On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 01:22:24PM +0000, Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello openSUSE!
I noticed that we can't get maintainer review for packages from https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/X11:Bumblebee
The project is without a maintainer as as the only maintainer is set to factory-maintainers.
Is there any volunteer who'd be taking over the Bumblebee/Optimus stack? This stack is quite crucial for laptops with dual graphics, impacts both Tumbleweed and Leap and should not be without a maintainer.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/optimus/technology/
It's supposed to be superseded by this: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_SUSE_Prime according to this comment: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159116#c3 but Prime is only for X11 (no Wayland) according to the wiki (not that nVidia works particularly well with wayland on its own). Thanks Michal
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 02:40:05PM +0100, Michal Suchánek wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 01:22:24PM +0000, Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello openSUSE!
I noticed that we can't get maintainer review for packages from https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/X11:Bumblebee
The project is without a maintainer as as the only maintainer is set to factory-maintainers.
Is there any volunteer who'd be taking over the Bumblebee/Optimus stack? This stack is quite crucial for laptops with dual graphics, impacts both Tumbleweed and Leap and should not be without a maintainer.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/optimus/technology/
It's supposed to be superseded by this: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_SUSE_Prime according to this comment: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159116#c3
Yes, that's what I'm trying to support (together with other contributor!) since years now with our suse-prime package. There is also https://github.com/openSUSE/SUSEPrime
but Prime is only for X11 (no Wayland) according to the wiki
Yes, that's correct. (not that nVidia works particularly well with wayland on its own). Things are improving, but I'm not sure about the situation on Optimus (intel+nvidia) systems right now. Thanks, Stefan Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Frankenstraße 146 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90461 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------- Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------
Thank you for the confirmation https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features/issue/142 I'll make sure the drop is covered in Release notes. Lubos On Thu, 2023-11-02 at 15:10 +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 02:40:05PM +0100, Michal Suchánek wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 01:22:24PM +0000, Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello openSUSE!
I noticed that we can't get maintainer review for packages from https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/X11:Bumblebee
The project is without a maintainer as as the only maintainer is set to factory-maintainers.
Is there any volunteer who'd be taking over the Bumblebee/Optimus stack? This stack is quite crucial for laptops with dual graphics, impacts both Tumbleweed and Leap and should not be without a maintainer.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/optimus/technology/
It's supposed to be superseded by this: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_SUSE_Prime according to this comment: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159116#c3
Yes, that's what I'm trying to support (together with other contributor!) since years now with our suse-prime package. There is also
https://github.com/openSUSE/SUSEPrime
but Prime is only for X11 (no Wayland) according to the wiki
Yes, that's correct.
(not that nVidia works particularly well with wayland on its own).
Things are improving, but I'm not sure about the situation on Optimus (intel+nvidia) systems right now.
Thanks, Stefan
Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Frankenstraße 146 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90461 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------- Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------
I did file delete requests for packages from the project also in https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features/issue/142#comment-1948 lkocman@osc:~> osc dr openSUSE:Leap:15.6 bbswitch 1122807 lkocman@osc:~> osc dr openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP6 VirtualGL 1122808 lkocman@osc:~> osc dr openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP6 bumblebee 1122809 lkocman@osc:~> osc dr openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP6 bumblebee-status 1122811 lkocman@osc:~> osc dr openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP6 dkms 1122812 lkocman@osc:~> osc dr openSUSE:Backports:SLE-15-SP6 primus 1122815 If your work requires and of the technology considered to be dropped from Leap please reach out to us in the ticket, or preferably in delete request before it gets accepted. Thank you On Thu, 2023-11-02 at 15:14 +0100, Lubos Kocman wrote:
Thank you for the confirmation
https://code.opensuse.org/leap/features/issue/142
I'll make sure the drop is covered in Release notes.
Lubos
On Thu, 2023-11-02 at 15:10 +0100, Stefan Dirsch wrote:
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 02:40:05PM +0100, Michal Suchánek wrote:
Hello,
On Thu, Nov 02, 2023 at 01:22:24PM +0000, Lubos Kocman via openSUSE Factory wrote:
Hello openSUSE!
I noticed that we can't get maintainer review for packages from https://build.opensuse.org/project/show/X11:Bumblebee
The project is without a maintainer as as the only maintainer is set to factory-maintainers.
Is there any volunteer who'd be taking over the Bumblebee/Optimus stack? This stack is quite crucial for laptops with dual graphics, impacts both Tumbleweed and Leap and should not be without a maintainer.
https://www.nvidia.com/en-us/geforce/technologies/optimus/technology/
It's supposed to be superseded by this: https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:NVIDIA_SUSE_Prime according to this comment: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1159116#c3
Yes, that's what I'm trying to support (together with other contributor!) since years now with our suse-prime package. There is also
https://github.com/openSUSE/SUSEPrime
but Prime is only for X11 (no Wayland) according to the wiki
Yes, that's correct.
(not that nVidia works particularly well with wayland on its own).
Things are improving, but I'm not sure about the situation on Optimus (intel+nvidia) systems right now.
Thanks, Stefan
Public Key available ------------------------------------------------------ Stefan Dirsch (Res. & Dev.) SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Tel: 0911-740 53 0 Frankenstraße 146 FAX: 0911-740 53 479 D-90461 Nürnberg http://www.suse.de Germany ---------------------------------------------------------------- Geschäftsführer: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman (HRB 36809, AG Nürnberg) ----------------------------------------------------------------
Hello Lubos, while I agree that Prime does something similar and make a good use of the Nvidia card, I have to disagree that the Prime does NOT replace Bumblebee. I tried to leave a comment on the delete request but I am repeated getting 502 gate error at the login page. Bumblebee allows: 1. Selecting specific GPU for specific cuda jobs and graphics computation jobs without logout. 2. Allows projection of specific monitors using the dGPU. 3. Item 1 can be achieved also on a desktop with multiple Nvidia GPUs. It is still very useful in many cases and Prime does not supersed it. Prime is a good alternative for average users' case. While it is not officially maintained, there are ways to keep bumblebee fully operational in Kernel 5 still and when I have time I am happy to make it work in Kernel 6 as well. I would like to ask you to keep bumblebee in the repo with the hopes of someone taking up the maintaining role officially.
Hello Steven,
Thank you for the feedback.
if it's unmaintained I'd be okay if it would be in a particular devel
project that people can add to their system if they really want to.
We should probably tweak our release notes + wiki to reflect that
(mentioning enablement of bumblebee dev project).
Otherwise we should really move dkms somewhere else to another
devproject, where we have project maintainers.
As dkms is actively maintained based on the history.
Lubos
On Mon, Dec 4, 2023 at 3:24 PM Steven Lee
Hello Lubos, while I agree that Prime does something similar and make a good use of the Nvidia card, I have to disagree that the Prime does NOT replace Bumblebee. I tried to leave a comment on the delete request but I am repeated getting 502 gate error at the login page.
Bumblebee allows: 1. Selecting specific GPU for specific cuda jobs and graphics computation jobs without logout. 2. Allows projection of specific monitors using the dGPU. 3. Item 1 can be achieved also on a desktop with multiple Nvidia GPUs.
It is still very useful in many cases and Prime does not supersed it. Prime is a good alternative for average users' case.
While it is not officially maintained, there are ways to keep bumblebee fully operational in Kernel 5 still and when I have time I am happy to make it work in Kernel 6 as well. I would like to ask you to keep bumblebee in the repo with the hopes of someone taking up the maintaining role officially.
-- Best regards Luboš Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager
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Steven Lee