-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-24 at 15:09 +0200, Tobias Burnus wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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I'm not affected, but you might be insterested to know that Venezuela has changed it's time zone today to -4:30. The timezone data should be updated, I suppose.

I have no links. Perhaps this: http://www.worldtimeserver.com/current_time_in_VE.aspx How about REUTERS: http://www.reuters.com/article/oddlyEnoughNews/idUSN2328980320070824

"CARACAS (REUTERS) ... Venezuela in September will turn clocks back by 30 minutes as it switches time zones to boost the amount of natural light to residents, a government official said on Thursday. Next month Venezuelan clocks will be set at Greenwich Mean Time (GMT) minus 4-1/2 hours, compared to the previous GMT minus four hours, Science and Technology Minister Hector Navarro told reporters at a news conference."

Another source: <http://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/city.html?n=58> It seems the time zone change has been suspended now (for the second time). Some sources say it will be on October. Others in January. Go figure: <http://lta.today.reuters.com/news/newsArticle.aspx?type=domesticNews&storyID=2007-09-24T152937Z_01_N24398231_RTRIDST_0_LATINOAMERICA-VENEZUELA-HORA-SOL.XML> The suspension, it says, is because the international requisites were not ready. I wonder what will think the timezone library chaps about this? If it were for me, I'd probably tell them that I'd patch the software after the change was effective! Actually, these chaps use a manual time zone patch: <http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938977> Microsoft recommends that customers downloading this update should maintain their current time zone settings and confirm the start date of the time zone change in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela before using the new time zone. End users may install this update and the resulting new time zone may remain on the time zone with a display name of (GMT-04:00) La Paz, also known as SA Western Standard Time, until manually making a transition to Venezuela Standard Time. Installing and using this new time zone prior to the official time zone change will impact the date and time on your computer (see below). X-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG9+6ttTMYHG2NR9URAsOmAJ4rU33cU8LaI7KT/jmFWZuLQtYmjwCfSnTS 70r/ViLcqqqNVvsutziWOOM= =dfwj -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-24 at 13:14 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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Actually, these chaps use a manual time zone patch:

<http://support.microsoft.com/kb/938977>

Microsoft recommends that customers downloading this update should maintain their current time zone settings and confirm the start date of the time zone change in the Bolivarian Republic of Venezuela before using the new time zone. End users may install this update and the resulting new time zone may remain on the time zone with a display name of (GMT-04:00) La Paz, also known as SA Western Standard Time, until manually making a transition to Venezuela Standard Time.

Installing and using this new time zone prior to the official time zone change will impact the date and time on your computer (see below).

X-)

M$ really gives it ?users? a lot of credit :^) Just Send Money ....

But how is anybody going to apply a patch, if when the minister of education and the president explains the change on TV, one says you have to move the needle forward half an hour, and the other says it is backwards! <http://www.lavanguardia.es/lv24h/20070924/53396855476.html> And there are different dates for applying that change, depending on what you read... I can understand the M$ chaps recomending not to apply the patch until after the hour has really changed. At least, they have a patch. Opensuse hasn't any, which is why I brought the matter here. Not that I'm personally affected, fortunately! - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG9/x5tTMYHG2NR9URAjyYAKCJ90zztzpA0j9ZvMp7iATuw83RrwCdGJiU Lyz34LkDCZlm1oyQixj9JiM= =XBRQ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2007-09-24 at 15:57 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

My comment was intended to reflect on the comment that the patch [w,c]ould affect the user's computer time/date :^)

Ah! X'-) Maybe I understood them wrong, but I think the patch changes the time right away, instead of waiting for a certain day to change it, because nobody knows when that will be. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG+EwetTMYHG2NR9URAoeYAJ4zKgx4hLAXP077zwz2eCuMvjmrQQCaAjEx wbvuHvP2Z9U13oJmtO36uCc= =lS1+ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Tuesday 2007-09-25 at 14:03 +1200, Jim Pye wrote:

New Zealand is about to change to their NZ Daylight time next weekend, this is earlier by a couple of weeks than last year. A bug report for this change was posted to Novell and to the clib group for this.

I have a feeling that this whole Daylight savings start/stop thingy is going to be an issue that IT is going to have to handle on a more frequent basis. Now that countries are waking up to global warmimg and governments see that having more daylight time as a way they can say to their constituants they are doing something about it.

With time the people shift their custom and the effect of the time shift dissipates, and the authorities will start thinking of shifting it again. In Spain the shift during summer is two hours, one in winter.

Maybe we need to look at a more friendly way of implementing changes in OpenSUSE than patches. Coming from a NetWare background I remember a screen during install that allowed for the start and stop times to be changed from default times to allow for these sort of issues.

In Linux this is more difficult, because the time setting is not system wide: each user of the multiuser environment has his own adjustments. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG+OcHtTMYHG2NR9URAojkAJ9QH01AxAY4HLR7hqWRd3qoEIkDfACfSfT8 cYmIyRG9XpFI7egPKETuzzE= =zUDN -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org