[opensuse-factory] Found some feedback on reddit
Hi everyone, on reddit I came across this topic which resulted in some interesting feedback from former and current users (only slightly KDE related): https://www.reddit.com/r/kde/comments/7azp43/kde_plasma_praise_report/dpe3lo... Any ideas what can be done to fix the mentioned issues? Cheers, Fabian -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
The "issues" seem vague, and without logs/traces or other actionable information I think any efforts to 'fix' them would be akin to shooting in the dark, in a windowless room, while wearing a blindfold. This is one of those cases where bug reports are really necessary. On 6 November 2017 at 09:33, Fabian Vogt <fvogt@suse.com> wrote:
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* Richard Brown <RBrownCCB@opensuse.org> [11-06-17 03:41]:
so we resort to top posting and don't even bother to remove the sig. and probably did not even bother to read the first cited msg/"issues" which contained reference to six bug reports. the poster definitely did not like openSUSE, nor make an effort to find explanations for his "issues", past citing bug reports. if one is inclined to slam a post, at least the "facts" should be accurate. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 6 November 2017 at 14:20, Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
so we resort to top posting and don't even bother to remove the sig.
My apologies - I posted before my morning coffee, made my formatting a little sloppy it seems. Hopefully this post and the many others I do make it obvious that is not a common problem for me
While I think it would have been useful if Fabian linked to the specific comment in question, rather than a whole thread, I did read the thread, in full, as far as I can see. However, the post you reference was written by someone which has been blocked to me on reddit for the last 4 months after I got tired of the individuals trolling. As the individual is blocked, I did not see the persons post until your reply made it obvious I was missing something. I would have noticed the inconsistency if the post had been direct linked also. Thank you for clearing that up.
if one is inclined to slam a post, at least the "facts" should be accurate.
Indeed, I agree. But on a platform like reddit where subreddit moderation, shadow banning, and self-moderation are all commonplace, I think it's reasonable to assume that not everyone will always have as a complete a view of the 'facts' as, lets say if the pertinent data had been copy/pasted in the OP's mail. Regards, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 05:39:50PM +0100, Daniele wrote:
Great idea, let's fix btrfs, I wonder why nobody thought of it before. And once we fix it, we should fix networking, memory management, scheduler, ... Don't forget about security vulnerabilities, those should be definitely fixed, too. And then we will all live happily ever after. Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 06/11/2017 19:36, Michal Kubecek ha scritto:
I don't understand your sarcasm here. Btrfs, makes system unuseable while rebalancing.. it's a well known issue (since years). Sometimes I ask myself "why suse/opensuse is the only distribution with btrfs ?". Daniele. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Daniele schrieb:
I don't understand your sarcasm here. Btrfs, makes system unuseable while rebalancing.. it's a well known issue (since years).
I've been using btrfs as may main filesystem for ages and even when I rebalance manually, which I do every now and then, I never saw the whole system freeze up in any bad way, so not sure what you are talking about. KaiRo -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 06/11/2017 20:52, Robert Kaiser ha scritto:
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1064249 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1063638 But the problem it's not new. Debated in this ml few time. For me, just yesterday, pc unuseable, Sysrq->reboot. I'm using btrfs only on a test machine.. Oh, Google is your friend ;) Daniele. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday, 6 November 2017 22:24:47 CET Daniele wrote:
I agree the statement "fix btrfs" but of course in this way of very generic phrasing it's not helpful. https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1017461 is one of the "long standing" bugs but it *is* resolved. The ones mentioned above - one reported by me - are more specific and therefore more likely to be fixed sooner :) If a problem does not get fixed that fast it might be for the following reasons: 1) It's actually not *a* problem but multiple ones -> your help would be appreciated to pinpoint and separate the issues 2) The problem is not (easily) reproducible by anyone that could fix it -> your help would be appreciated to make the problem more easily reproducible Actually we also try to cover this bug(s) with our openQA tests and we have at least one test that reproducibly shows that there is something missing to be fixed: https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/524584#step/force_cron_run/13 Regards, Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2) The problem is not (easily) reproducible by anyone that could fix it -> your help would be appreciated to make the problem more easily reproducible
I do not think it's possible to reproduce it on will, but every now and then I had VM freezing. I would reboot into initrd, cancel balance and everything went well after that. I /could/ capture disk next time I see it (have not observed for a long time BTW). Would it be helpful to anyone? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/07/2017 06:52 AM, Robert Kaiser wrote:
I've seen the entire system stall for several minutes (system load goes from ~1 to ~12, and becomes very sluggish) during the scheduled rebalance. However, I haven't seen this happen recently, which tells me that the long-standing qgroup performance problems have probably been resolved in newer kernels. -- Aleksa Sarai Senior Software Engineer (Containers) SUSE Linux GmbH https://www.cyphar.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Daniele! On 06/11/2017 19:53, Daniele wrote:
Never had this kind of problem here, but maybe it's because I'm on SSD? Although I've been using a mechanical disk until last year and I don't remember having the problem. Cris -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Fabian I also had this problem. Plasma lags and freezes. The solution was disable quota on btrfs according btrfs-progs documentation bellow. sudo btrfs quota disable / Regards ===== References: LEAP 42.2 btrfs process uses 50% of processor and lags everything https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/523513-btrfs-process-uses-50-of-p... https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/523513-btrfs-process-uses-50-of-p... ===== Problems with btrfs quota : btrfs https://www.reddit.com/r/btrfs/comments/4qz1qd/problems_with_btrfs_quota/d4x... btrfs-progs/Documentation/btrfs-quota.asciidoc https://github.com/kdave/btrfs-progs/blob/devel/Documentation/btrfs-quota.as... PERFORMANCE IMPLICATIONS When the quotas are turned on, they affect all extent processing, taking a performance hit. It is not recommended to turn on qgroups unless the user intends to actually use them. -- Sent from: http://opensuse.14.x6.nabble.com/opensuse-factory-f3292933.html -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
The "issues" seem vague, and without logs/traces or other actionable information I think any efforts to 'fix' them would be akin to shooting in the dark, in a windowless room, while wearing a blindfold. This is one of those cases where bug reports are really necessary. On 6 November 2017 at 09:33, Fabian Vogt <fvogt@suse.com> wrote:
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* Richard Brown <RBrownCCB@opensuse.org> [11-06-17 03:41]:
so we resort to top posting and don't even bother to remove the sig. and probably did not even bother to read the first cited msg/"issues" which contained reference to six bug reports. the poster definitely did not like openSUSE, nor make an effort to find explanations for his "issues", past citing bug reports. if one is inclined to slam a post, at least the "facts" should be accurate. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 6 November 2017 at 14:20, Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
so we resort to top posting and don't even bother to remove the sig.
My apologies - I posted before my morning coffee, made my formatting a little sloppy it seems. Hopefully this post and the many others I do make it obvious that is not a common problem for me
While I think it would have been useful if Fabian linked to the specific comment in question, rather than a whole thread, I did read the thread, in full, as far as I can see. However, the post you reference was written by someone which has been blocked to me on reddit for the last 4 months after I got tired of the individuals trolling. As the individual is blocked, I did not see the persons post until your reply made it obvious I was missing something. I would have noticed the inconsistency if the post had been direct linked also. Thank you for clearing that up.
if one is inclined to slam a post, at least the "facts" should be accurate.
Indeed, I agree. But on a platform like reddit where subreddit moderation, shadow banning, and self-moderation are all commonplace, I think it's reasonable to assume that not everyone will always have as a complete a view of the 'facts' as, lets say if the pertinent data had been copy/pasted in the OP's mail. Regards, -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Nov 06, 2017 at 05:39:50PM +0100, Daniele wrote:
Great idea, let's fix btrfs, I wonder why nobody thought of it before. And once we fix it, we should fix networking, memory management, scheduler, ... Don't forget about security vulnerabilities, those should be definitely fixed, too. And then we will all live happily ever after. Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 06/11/2017 19:36, Michal Kubecek ha scritto:
I don't understand your sarcasm here. Btrfs, makes system unuseable while rebalancing.. it's a well known issue (since years). Sometimes I ask myself "why suse/opensuse is the only distribution with btrfs ?". Daniele. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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