[opensuse-factory] release cycle will be 9 months again?
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi all!! Maybe it's a bit soon for a question like that! ;) After a year from last 13.1 today we will have 13.2 ready to download just in few hours! I wonder if next release will be in 9 months as usual? or a year seems to be a good option for now on? just asking because some users asked me about that... Thanks in advance! - -- GPG Key: 0xF782C8C2 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUWJKCAAoJEGgEvAX3gsjCApcH/i6PX3r03OQghY4stoR4nH6/ UBGzNr8Lt1rWSPGuEs7oyScxTryYet9+Ee9fGTP6a+OIHEOPNVH7cmydL1suZ4F4 LJkZ9mRIfPDDFIyO+v/RHj0mo5Q506e0Zta7Fmy5mtfTYSYbizJhimbGud/bBLw8 wUZH4+q4lGWoqTOpoGHP2sSy5Xfxo22aodAnYG1UML13duW3MUy4w0rRHK7py6MN WwwC9k4jx2XfNuZGg3bW+Yz1scOJe7TiyReC30CqNG5g83qTlqR9GGDrKyc0RCf/ R67gpCCDaQ0wBnhO3DGQd+5SeLA7bhl6g1ybz4j/M/T8Rn+sGF7phA0v4bml2bA= =aDmh -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/04/2014 02:46 AM, victorhck wrote:
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Hi all!!
Maybe it's a bit soon for a question like that! ;)
After a year from last 13.1 today we will have 13.2 ready to download just in few hours!
I wonder if next release will be in 9 months as usual? or a year seems to be a good option for now on?
just asking because some users asked me about that...
The regular release cycle for openSUSE has been 8 months, not 9. With 13.2, the developers took the extra 4 months to develop their infrastructure to make future releases easier. In particular, the openQA facility was improved a great deal, and that seems to have been a great success. At least for me, implementation of 13.2 was a lot smoother than previous releases. From everything that has been published, 13.3 will be available in 8 months. In fact, Factory has been being updated even while 13.2 was locked againts new features. Larry -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Tirsdag den 4. november 2014 08:52:07 skrev Larry Finger:
From everything that has been published, 13.3 will be available in 8 months. In fact, Factory has been being updated even while 13.2 was locked againts new features.
E.g. at the openSUSE Conference, the idea was brought forward to move to a 12 month release cycle - while staying with a lifetime of 2 releases + months. Meaning the stable openSUSE releases would be supported for 26 months. With Factory/Tumbleweed being a usable, bleeding edge, rolling release distro. Maybe it's not necessary to have releases every 8 months. This could be a killer combination. Meaning openSUSE could accomplish the (nearly) impossible, and could keep the "bleeding edge crowd" and the "stability and long-term support crowd" fairly happy at the same time - while everybody contributing to the same project in a symbiotic way, instead of different groups pulling in opposite directions like before. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 04 November 2014 16.36:06 Martin Schlander wrote:
Tirsdag den 4. november 2014 08:52:07 skrev Larry Finger:
From everything that has been published, 13.3 will be available in 8 months. In fact, Factory has been being updated even while 13.2 was locked againts new features.
E.g. at the openSUSE Conference, the idea was brought forward to move to a 12 month release cycle - while staying with a lifetime of 2 releases + months. Meaning the stable openSUSE releases would be supported for 26 months.
With Factory/Tumbleweed being a usable, bleeding edge, rolling release distro. Maybe it's not necessary to have releases every 8 months.
This could be a killer combination.
Meaning openSUSE could accomplish the (nearly) impossible, and could keep the "bleeding edge crowd" and the "stability and long-term support crowd" fairly happy at the same time - while everybody contributing to the same project in a symbiotic way, instead of different groups pulling in opposite directions like before.
+1 for a year release ... -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Board, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 5 November 2014 11:43, Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> wrote:
+1 for a year release ...
I'm agree. We have Tumbleweed as rolling distro, the stable release can be annual with more tests and a longer support. my 2 cents, Marina -- Marina Latini http://www.fsugitalia.org http://www.libreitalia.it openSUSE Advocate: deneb_alpha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 El 05/11/14 a las 11:49, Marina Latini escribió: Hi
On 5 November 2014 11:43, Bruno Friedmann <bruno@ioda-net.ch> wrote:
+1 for a year release ...
I'm agree. We have Tumbleweed as rolling distro, the stable release can be annual with more tests and a longer support.
my 2 cents, Marina
seems like a wide majority wants a 1 year cycle release... https://plus.google.com/109728877561846377353/posts/4VWH39cQxMf 've phun! - -- (GPG Key: 0xF782C8C2) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iQEcBAEBAgAGBQJUYlbdAAoJEGgEvAX3gsjC0twH/2YIZkJQWnmFPUl2fqe3KiZ2 ktld2wGPvgZ3P6Z95sVtfJe8lUTDXzUAD3TDgHFAoiRPoWGo0o2+T5nSwAu0cPOi GzGOvNVqzFmnFi/CZ0Fr+UfWb7bbFloCkP0AO/YTWOz3pQQyYp41xjhfdTaQgMHg bZYiTcI3pDawQNVUCwQt8RlCfvBiBxD8bBncaSWul8HHzo2WASwU5NJqPLgaoOp1 2CDeneldsQCmjM6O5YzFjKF7GLnc/dH1WiWCo4KJhdZ5qDUiVvOcgr6m4e8srgVA /hIdkArtfelc0y02cEENazgNMD4uyn8bdNAk0fNfw8rEy7/fF81K7fKAClfCNxQ= =PLkF -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:35:09PM +0100, victorhck wrote:
seems like a wide majority wants a 1 year cycle release...
https://plus.google.com/109728877561846377353/posts/4VWH39cQxMf
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters? (I'm not saying I wouldn't like 1 year; just found it funny.) Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 13 November 2014 11:16, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:35:09PM +0100, victorhck wrote:
seems like a wide majority wants a 1 year cycle release...
https://plus.google.com/109728877561846377353/posts/4VWH39cQxMf
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters?
(I'm not saying I wouldn't like 1 year; just found it funny.)
He means 84% of the 172 votes on the poll.. Google+ does polls now.. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:17:54AM +0100, Richard Brown wrote:
On 13 November 2014 11:16, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:35:09PM +0100, victorhck wrote:
seems like a wide majority wants a 1 year cycle release...
https://plus.google.com/109728877561846377353/posts/4VWH39cQxMf
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters?
(I'm not saying I wouldn't like 1 year; just found it funny.)
He means 84% of the 172 votes on the poll.. Google+ does polls now..
Thank you. I didn't notice the "171 votes" link (which isn't actually a link as middle click doesn't work on it). Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 13 Nov 2014 11:22:39 +0100 Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz> wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 11:17:54AM +0100, Richard Brown wrote:
On 13 November 2014 11:16, Michal Kubecek <mkubecek@suse.cz> wrote:
On Tue, Nov 11, 2014 at 07:35:09PM +0100, victorhck wrote:
seems like a wide majority wants a 1 year cycle release...
https://plus.google.com/109728877561846377353/posts/4VWH39cQxMf
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters?
(I'm not saying I wouldn't like 1 year; just found it funny.)
He means 84% of the 172 votes on the poll.. Google+ does polls now..
Thank you. I didn't notice the "171 votes" link (which isn't actually a link as middle click doesn't work on it).
Michal Kubeček
It's a link in the mail I got. Opens with left-click as usual. 175 votes now. ;-) -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE Tumbleweed (64-bit); KDE 4.14.2; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.17.1; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 2014-11-13 11:55, Graham P Davis wrote:
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters? He means 84% of the 172 votes on the poll.. Google+ does polls now.. Thank you. I didn't notice the "171 votes" link It's a link in the mail I got. Opens with left-click as usual. 175 votes now. ;-)
But I don't recognize any developer names in the list of - now - 1272 voters. Hm! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 01:26:16PM +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2014-11-13 11:55, Graham P Davis wrote:
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters? He means 84% of the 172 votes on the poll.. Google+ does polls now.. Thank you. I didn't notice the "171 votes" link It's a link in the mail I got. Opens with left-click as usual. 175 votes now. ;-)
But I don't recognize any developer names in the list of - now - 1272 voters. Hm!
release cycle was 8 months however before the last ... Well. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 13.11.2014 13:26, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2014-11-13 11:55, Graham P Davis wrote:
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters? He means 84% of the 172 votes on the poll.. Google+ does polls now.. Thank you. I didn't notice the "171 votes" link It's a link in the mail I got. Opens with left-click as usual. 175 votes now. ;-)
But I don't recognize any developer names in the list of - now - 1272 voters. Hm!
Hmm, I see 180 votes and I recognize quite some names - the 9 months is an invalid choice anyway :) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 13:34 +0100, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 13.11.2014 13:26, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2014-11-13 11:55, Graham P Davis wrote:
You mean a wide majority of the six commenters? He means 84% of the 172 votes on the poll.. Google+ does polls now.. Thank you. I didn't notice the "171 votes" link It's a link in the mail I got. Opens with left-click as usual. 175 votes now. ;-)
But I don't recognize any developer names in the list of - now - 1272 voters. Hm!
Hmm, I see 180 votes and I recognize quite some names - the 9 months is an invalid choice anyway :)
Greetings, Stephan
Official openSUSE Google+ poll has over 1200 respondents with 89% in support of an annual release cycle. https://plus.google.com/110312141834246266844/posts/g5FdGJ9iSqB I think it's good for us, and our users agree. If users want to be on the edge, we have many ways to update things besides Tumbleweed. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Project Member and Advocate since 2011 http://www.opensuseadventures.blogspot.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/13/2014 11:41 AM, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Official openSUSE Google+ poll has over 1200 respondents with 89% in support of an annual release cycle. https://plus.google.com/110312141834246266844/posts/g5FdGJ9iSqB
I'd rather see a longer cycle and more bugs fixed before release. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [11-13-14 11:46]:
On 11/13/2014 11:41 AM, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Official openSUSE Google+ poll has over 1200 respondents with 89% in support of an annual release cycle. https://plus.google.com/110312141834246266844/posts/g5FdGJ9iSqB
I'd rather see a longer cycle and more bugs fixed before release.
That is never-ending and will not provide a definition that satisfies you. Equipment not available, testers not available, failure to file bugs, and on and on .... will always lead to recent comments about "failure to test" and pushing commits w/o proper testing and .... Which you have experienced in the last several days. In *this* respect a ten-year-cycle would not be an improvement, but only *different*. Fix a bug and release immediately no matter the time frame would be just a good. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2014-11-13 at 12:10 -0500, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* James Knott <james.knott@rogers.com> [11-13-14 11:46]:
On 11/13/2014 11:41 AM, Roger Luedecke wrote:
Official openSUSE Google+ poll has over 1200 respondents with 89% in support of an annual release cycle. https://plus.google.com/110312141834246266844/posts/g5FdGJ9iSqB
I'd rather see a longer cycle and more bugs fixed before release.
That is never-ending and will not provide a definition that satisfies you. Equipment not available, testers not available, failure to file bugs, and on and on .... will always lead to recent comments about "failure to test" and pushing commits w/o proper testing and ....
Which you have experienced in the last several days. In *this* respect a ten-year-cycle would not be an improvement, but only *different*. Fix a bug and release immediately no matter the time frame would be just a good.
-- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net True enough. But I think if we aren't racing to the next release as quickly we can focus some more attention on other aspects of the project as well. -- Roger Luedecke openSUSE Project Member and Advocate since 2011 http://www.opensuseadventures.blogspot.com
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Am 13.11.2014 um 18:10 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
Which you have experienced in the last several days. In *this* respect a ten-year-cycle would not be an improvement, but only *different*. Fix a bug and release immediately no matter the time frame would be just a good.
I agree. I personally have very little interest to release at a fixed time anyway - there is just no good timing and if the interest in testing and fixing is as low as it was with 13.2, there is just no point in doing anything but Tumbleweed. http://thecodinglove.com/post/102537515357/when-the-project-manager-asks-if-... Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> wrote:
Am 13.11.2014 um 18:10 schrieb Patrick Shanahan:
Which you have experienced in the last several days. In *this* respect a ten-year-cycle would not be an improvement, but only *different*. Fix a bug and release immediately no matter the time frame would be just a good.
I agree. I personally have very little interest to release at a fixed time anyway - there is just no good timing and if the interest in testing and fixing is as low as it was with 13.2, there is just no point in doing anything but Tumbleweed.
http://thecodinglove.com/post/102537515357/when-the-project-manager-asks-if-...
Greetings, Stephan
I'm not too concerned with what the release schedule is, but I would be very disappointed to see openSUSE go to a pure tumbleweed model. Even if the releases come out a little rough, with a release there is time to polish it. With a continuous rolling release, as you polish one area another one is deteriorating. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2014-11-13 21:16, Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Thu, Nov 13, 2014 at 12:38 PM, Stephan Kulow <> wrote:
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I'm not too concerned with what the release schedule is, but I would be very disappointed to see openSUSE go to a pure tumbleweed model.
Same here.
Even if the releases come out a little rough, with a release there is time to polish it. With a continuous rolling release, as you polish one area another one is deteriorating.
True. Also, some people can not work with a continuous release model. For instance, proprietary drivers, like nvidia, are only released now and then. Or translation. Currently it is only done on almost stable releases, because we don't like our work undone every day with the next modification. For this to work on a continuous release model the developers of each project would have to tell the translator team: "hey, we finished with 'A', please translate it now". - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlRlVZQACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VaLgCcD7c0Zhb89m/IbIfEfYM3Zwps YNgAniGX7IC4isu8hv6AxsOzL/esz3Hi =YPZV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 2014-11-14 02:06, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Also, some people can not work with a continuous release model. For instance, proprietary drivers, like nvidia, are only released now and then.
Proprietary driver vendors have to sync their drivers for X ABI and kernel ABI updates in any case, independently of whether you run distro regular releases or the rolling release. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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