[opensuse-factory] Firefox status for 11.4
Hi, with 11.4 deadline arriving fast (rc1 checkin date is february 4th) I want to give a small notice about the status of Firefox (and other mozilla apps). Here is the latest short term schedule from Mozilla for Firefox 4: http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2011/01/25/updated-firefox-4-beta-plan/ That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs. I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13? My favourite would be the former but it basically has disadvantages: - not all addons will be compatible by then - people who cannot do updates for whatever reason will stay with beta And just another sidenote. The next scheduled security releases for Firefox, Thunderbird and seamonkey is probably february 8th which means the first updates for them are needed as online updates apparently before GA :-( Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 10:30, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
with 11.4 deadline arriving fast (rc1 checkin date is february 4th) I want to give a small notice about the status of Firefox (and other mozilla apps).
Here is the latest short term schedule from Mozilla for Firefox 4: http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2011/01/25/updated-firefox-4-beta-plan/
That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs.
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13? My favourite would be the former but it basically has disadvantages: - not all addons will be compatible by then - people who cannot do updates for whatever reason will stay with beta
I would prefer Firefox 4.0 over 3.x. 4.0 is a lot better in many ways than the 3.x series (speed for example). While you're right not all addons will be 100% available for 4.0B11, the vast majority already are - at least the mainstream ones. There will always be someone using a lesser known addon that will not work in the most current version of Firefox, and they will yell about it not working, but... they can step back to 3.x. I think it's better that 1 or 2 people step back to a previous release than the rest of the users have to find a way to update to the 4.x versions. That's my proverbial 2 cents. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/01/26 10:30 (GMT+0100) Wolfgang Rosenauer composed:
That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs.
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
My opinion expressed when you asked this in November hasn't changed materially. This .0 release has some surprises a lot of people won't like, and they will wish for an RPM option to get the baby they loved back, letting others suffer through the .0 sickness. Off hand I can't think of a single thing about 4.0betas that make it better than 3.6.x. For those familiar with web design who aren't aware, pt, cm, in and other absolute units of measure are no longer absolute units in Gecko 2.0. e.g., pt is now fixed at a 3/4 ratio to a CSS px, meaning there are new hoops to jump through to get onscreen measurements to be accurate. Those who need accuracy must use a new proprietary unit, the mozmm. -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.01.2011 12:30, schrieb Felix Miata:
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
My opinion expressed when you asked this in November hasn't changed materially. This .0 release has some surprises a lot of people won't like, and they will wish for an RPM option to get the baby they loved back, letting others suffer through the .0 sickness. Off hand I can't think of a single thing about 4.0betas that make it better than 3.6.x.
Hmm, opinions are different. I use 4.0betas since months and almost cannot think of things why I would like 3.6 back. I see a lot of improvements and I'm not sure if shipping a browser which is over one year old with a new distribution is a proper target.
For those familiar with web design who aren't aware, pt, cm, in and other absolute units of measure are no longer absolute units in Gecko 2.0. e.g., pt is now fixed at a 3/4 ratio to a CSS px, meaning there are new hoops to jump through to get onscreen measurements to be accurate. Those who need accuracy must use a new proprietary unit, the mozmm.
I'm not an expert with that but during everyday's browsing I haven't seen issues. They are claiming that they now behave like (all/most) other browsers apparently. Here are a few things we get from using Firefox 4: - WebM support - current HTML5/CSS3 support - Jaegermonkey (much faster JS engine) - WebGL (I agree that all that is probably not mandatory for today's Web2.0 but I expect that this will change pretty fast with next generation browsers available) - proper Gnome integration (GIO) * 3.6 is lacking that so we actually would lose integration features If you also meant UI changes which could confuse people. While it's true that it changed quite a bit, most of the old behaviour can be easily brought back. A 3.6 package will be available within the buildservice in any case for those who really need/want to have it. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 26/01/11 12:51, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Here are a few things we get from using Firefox 4:
- WebM support - current HTML5/CSS3 support - Jaegermonkey (much faster JS engine) - WebGL (I agree that all that is probably not mandatory for today's Web2.0 but I expect that this will change pretty fast with next generation browsers available)
- proper Gnome integration (GIO) * 3.6 is lacking that so we actually would lose integration features
If you also meant UI changes which could confuse people. While it's true that it changed quite a bit, most of the old behaviour can be easily brought back.
A 3.6 package will be available within the buildservice in any case for those who really need/want to have it.
Nicely written. For all these reasons I vote for 4.0. -- Best Regards / S pozdravom, Pavol RUSNAK SUSE LINUX, s.r.o openSUSE Boosters Team Lihovarska 1060/12 PGP 0xA6917144 19000 Praha 9 prusnak[at]opensuse.org Czech Republic -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer schrieb:
- WebGL
I wouldn't advertize that too much as it stands, the circle of Linux users that have it available is fairly small at this time. Robert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.01.2011 15:17, schrieb Robert Kaiser:
Wolfgang Rosenauer schrieb:
- WebGL
I wouldn't advertize that too much as it stands, the circle of Linux users that have it available is fairly small at this time.
unfortunately true. It currently only is enabled for proprietary nvidia driver for those interested. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:30, Felix Miata wrote:
letting others suffer through the .0 sickness. Off hand I can't think of a single thing about 4.0betas that make it better than 3.6.x.
Have you actually tested? The rendering speed difference is night and day... especially using Jaegermokey. There is a lot of difference between the two once you can see past the slightly different UI layout (some people whine about the reload button location) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/01/26 12:56 (GMT+0100) C composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
letting others suffer through the .0 sickness. Off hand I can't think of a single thing about 4.0betas that make it better than 3.6.x.
Have you actually tested?
I've been testing Mozilla since long before Phoenix > Firebird > Firefox. In recent weeks I've been keeping concurrently open on my 11.2 24/7 box: SeaMonkey 2.1bX (no plugins, no unbundled extensions; browser & Chatzilla windows) SeaMonkey 2.0.X (OS RPM; plugins, no unbundled extensions; browser & email windows) Firefox 2.0.0.X (supposed to be no plugins-need to fix this, 4 extensions) Firefox 3.6.x (OS RPM; plugins, 4 extensions) Firefox 4.0bX (no plugins, DOMI & Feedback extensions) If your email app was showing the UA of my message as my SM 2.1bX does, you'd see I'm sending this from (Mozilla) beta software. How many Mozilla bugs have you filed? http://tinyurl.com/4w54h5d shows 309, less than half of which are dupes or invalid.
The rendering speed difference is night and
Not counting insane startup time (because bookmarks.html has been replaced by places.sqlite, forcing import on every start in order to use common bookmarks), the only speed difference I would ever notice (on Linux) is if the back button would ever just reload from cache instead of obeying @#$^#$ website directives to load the whole thing from scratch virtually always. Speed to me is otherwise a non-issue. What I do notice is they're all memory pigs, and too often huge CPU hogs. Currently 5 of the top 6 memory users are Mozilla, and 7th is plugin-containe. Xorg is currently #2.
day... especially using Jaegermokey. There is a lot of difference between the two once you can see past the slightly different UI layout (some people whine about the reload button location)
Right now I only see two basic browser buttons grouped where they belong at the upper left under the main menu selections, back and fwd. Reload, stop, home, zoom, new tab are either missing or way off in Timbuktu. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=621520 Nowhere do I ever see the word "Done" when a page has finished loading. Hovering a link produces no visible link. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597382 -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:47, Felix Miata wrote:
If your email app was showing the UA of my message as my SM 2.1bX does, you'd see I'm sending this from (Mozilla) beta software.
GMail doesn't show much of anything... it's annoying in that respect, but convenient since I can easily access it anywhere (travel for work etc).
How many Mozilla bugs have you filed?
None because any that I've found are already in the bug database... ie I search before opening a new one so that I don't contribute to the number of duplicates. I've had nothing constructive to add to the bug reports I have dug up... so I haven't commented on them.
The rendering speed difference is night and
Not counting insane startup time
Loads of bookmarks here and startup time is almost (but not quite) instant. I click the panel icon , and before I can move the mouse mid screen it's open. The JavaScript rendering speed is many times faster (see or try the Ants demo for an example).. this is a very noticeable change/improvement... as well as the other major improvements listed by Wolfgang.
Right now I only see two basic browser buttons grouped where they belong at the upper left under the main menu selections, back and fwd. Reload, stop, home, zoom, new tab are either missing or way off in Timbuktu.
UI design layout is not a reason to not include Firefox4.0 in 11.4. These are your personal dislikes (ie your feeling of where UI elements belong are different to the next guy).. I happen to like the rearrangement of the buttons... you don't.. and that's perfectly fine... but you can't use that as a valid reason for not including 4.0. (Home, Reload, Stop, New Tab etc are all available.. not missing).
I cannot duplicate the conditions of this bug... I can customize the layout exactly as described in the bug report, exit and restart Firefox and everything is where I put it... all customizations are where I set them to be. (using Firefox 4.0beta9 from the openSUSE repository).
Nowhere do I ever see the word "Done" when a page has finished loading.
The loading indicator (spinning animation) is no longer shown after a page is completely loaded... that indicates "done" doesn't it? That is the same as in Chrome. I don't see an issue here. I don't see the need for "Done" to be splashed anywhere in the UI.
Hovering a link produces no visible link. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597382
It's there on my Firefox... just to the right of the current URL. Theme dependent problem maybe? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 1:38 PM, C <smaug42@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 18:47, Felix Miata wrote:
If your email app was showing the UA of my message as my SM 2.1bX does, you'd see I'm sending this from (Mozilla) beta software.
GMail doesn't show much of anything... it's annoying in that respect, but convenient since I can easily access it anywhere (travel for work etc).
Have you ever clicked the down arrow on the right and done "show original". You have to parse it yourself, but the entire email envelop is there. Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 23:20, Greg Freemyer wrote:
GMail doesn't show much of anything... it's annoying in that respect, but convenient since I can easily access it anywhere (travel for work etc).
Have you ever clicked the down arrow on the right and done "show original".
You have to parse it yourself, but the entire email envelop is there.
Yes I have, and you're right you can view the entire original message :-) I could have been more explicit in what I said - I was thinking more of how badly GMail handles mailing lists and threading among other things. C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/01/26 19:38 (GMT+0100) C composed:
Felix Miata wrote:
How many Mozilla bugs have you filed?
None because any that I've found are already in the bug database... ie I search before opening a new one so that I don't contribute to the number of duplicates. I've had nothing constructive to add to the bug reports I have dug up... so I haven't commented on them.
Real testers occasionally, or even more often, find and report bugs before others. Also note that no small percent of dupe bugs I filed got duped to _later_ bugs. IOW, I do test - a lot, though not just Mozilla & openSUSE.
The rendering speed difference is night and
Not counting insane startup time
Loads of bookmarks here and startup time is almost (but not quite) instant. I click the panel icon , and before I can move the mouse mid screen it's open.
You obviously haven't tried to replicate what I do on every start (sharing bookmarks), at least not with a .5G or larger bookmarks DB. Importing multiplies start time.
I cannot duplicate the conditions of this bug... I can customize the layout exactly as described in the bug report, exit and restart Firefox and everything is where I put it... all customizations are where I set them to be. (using Firefox 4.0beta9 from the openSUSE repository).
Since update to b10 this has improved.
Nowhere do I ever see the word "Done" when a page has finished loading.
The loading indicator (spinning animation) is no longer shown after a page is completely loaded... that indicates "done" doesn't it? That is the same as in Chrome. I don't see an issue here. I don't see the need for "Done" to be splashed anywhere in the UI.
I don't see a spinning indicator. Like most desktop and app icons, they're too small for me to associate with anything meaningful, as opposed to a word like "done", which has clear meaning, and its absence, replaced by something else to indicate whether real activity is occurring, or has may have stalled or been stonewalled. As to Chrome - there's nothing in its microscopic UI that enables me to consider it useful for any purpose, including comparisons to Mozilla products.
Hovering a link produces no visible link. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=597382
It's there on my Firefox... just to the right of the current URL. Theme dependent problem maybe?
I don't use themes. Whatever theme it comes with should just work. Read the bug. There's something there. It's simply useless. -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 26 janvier 2011, à 10:30 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
Will Firefox 3.6.x be security-maintained upstream for the whole 11.4 lifetime? Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.01.2011 12:40, schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le mercredi 26 janvier 2011, à 10:30 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
Will Firefox 3.6.x be security-maintained upstream for the whole 11.4 lifetime?
Almost surely not. Actually I don't think that any Firefox version shipped in openSUSE was kept until the end of the distribution's lifetime. There are no exact statements about it. The plan is to support older versions for 6 months after a new major version came out. But on the other hand it was often extended for different reasons. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 26 janvier 2011, à 12:57 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
Am 26.01.2011 12:40, schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le mercredi 26 janvier 2011, à 10:30 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
Will Firefox 3.6.x be security-maintained upstream for the whole 11.4 lifetime?
Almost surely not. Actually I don't think that any Firefox version shipped in openSUSE was kept until the end of the distribution's lifetime. There are no exact statements about it. The plan is to support older versions for 6 months after a new major version came out. But on the other hand it was often extended for different reasons.
I think having a 3.6 -> 4.x update for 11.4 after 11.4 is released would be more confusing for users than having a beta version of 4.0, that will get updated to 4.0 final. So staying with 4.0 makes sense to me. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.01.2011 13:22, schrieb Vincent Untz:
I think having a 3.6 -> 4.x update for 11.4 after 11.4 is released would be more confusing for users than having a beta version of 4.0, that will get updated to 4.0 final.
So staying with 4.0 makes sense to me.
I don´t know..... Maybe it´s easier to upgrade from 4.0 beta to 4.0 final, but theirs another beta (beta 10) now, and maybe they are some people who don´t care about alpha and beta and they maybe won´t upgrade from several betas to RCs or final versions. In short: For they, version 4.0 is version 4.0. Don´t care about these strange Beta 9 or Beta 10. So, shipping 11.4 with 3.6.x is imho much better. thanks kdl -- Kim Leyendecker (kimleyendecker@hotmail.de) openSUSE Ambassador powered by openSUSE 11.3 KDE Kernel-desktop 2.6.34-12 & using Tumbleweed This mail was composed under Linux Have you tried SUSE Studio? Need to create a Live CD, an app you want to package and distribute , or create your own linux distro. Give SUSE Studio a try. www.susestudio.com. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Vincent Untz schrieb:
Le mercredi 26 janvier 2011, à 10:30 +0100, Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
Will Firefox 3.6.x be security-maintained upstream for the whole 11.4 lifetime?
That's completely unknown. It may or may not, but I wouldn't bet on it, esp. as Firefox probably now will move to doing faster release cycles. I strongly favor shipping 4.0b11 if it has to be, and offer the RCs and final via updates. The current betas are very stable - note that the Firefox beta audience (mostly on Windows though) is about 2 million daily users, if I remember correctly. Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 01/26/2011 04:30 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
with 11.4 deadline arriving fast (rc1 checkin date is february 4th) I want to give a small notice about the status of Firefox (and other mozilla apps).
Here is the latest short term schedule from Mozilla for Firefox 4: http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2011/01/25/updated-firefox-4-beta-plan/
That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs.
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
My vote is for 3.6.13 in the release and getting 4.0.x into Tumbleweed. This way people that want 4.0 can easily get it and we do not end up supplying something that is in beta status in the main distribution. my $0.02 Robert -- Robert Schweikert MAY THE SOURCE BE WITH YOU Software Engineer Consultant LINUX rschweikert@novell.com 781-464-8147 Novell Making IT Work As One -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 08:42:12AM -0500, Robert Schweikert wrote:
On 01/26/2011 04:30 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
with 11.4 deadline arriving fast (rc1 checkin date is february 4th) I want to give a small notice about the status of Firefox (and other mozilla apps).
Here is the latest short term schedule from Mozilla for Firefox 4: http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2011/01/25/updated-firefox-4-beta-plan/
That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs.
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13?
My vote is for 3.6.13 in the release and getting 4.0.x into Tumbleweed. This way people that want 4.0 can easily get it and we do not end up supplying something that is in beta status in the main distribution.
Firefox is already a package which is updated regulary in openSUSE. In the end we will upgrade 11.4 to 4.0 anyway once 3.6 support expires. What I am more wondering is however if the Mozilla Foundation is happy if we ship our final product with a Beta of their browser. Ciao, Marcus -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.01.2011 14:47, schrieb Marcus Meissner:
Firefox is already a package which is updated regulary in openSUSE.
In the end we will upgrade 11.4 to 4.0 anyway once 3.6 support expires.
What I am more wondering is however if the Mozilla Foundation is happy if we ship our final product with a Beta of their browser.
That happened twice in the past already IIRC. Last time it was said it's fine as long as we update immediately to the final version when it arrives. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 14:42, Robert Schweikert wrote:
My vote is for 3.6.13 in the release and getting 4.0.x into Tumbleweed. This way people that want 4.0 can easily get it and we do not end up supplying something that is in beta status in the main distribution.
Why is everyone afraid of the word "Beta" here? Seriously... how much of the software we use every day in Linux is classed as Alpha or Beta by the respective release teams vs. software that was full release that wasn't even suitable for Beta classification (I'm thinking the early KDE4 releases for example)? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 01/26/2011 08:50 AM, C wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 14:42, Robert Schweikert wrote:
My vote is for 3.6.13 in the release and getting 4.0.x into Tumbleweed. This way people that want 4.0 can easily get it and we do not end up supplying something that is in beta status in the main distribution.
Why is everyone afraid of the word "Beta" here? Seriously... how much of the software we use every day in Linux is classed as Alpha or Beta by the respective release teams vs. software that was full release that wasn't even suitable for Beta classification (I'm thinking the early KDE4 releases for example)?
C.
Has there been any talk about creating an openSUSE Firefox 4 theme? Or is it too late. Cheers! Roman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13? My favourite would be the former but it basically has disadvantages: - not all addons will be compatible by then
That's probably an understatement. Only three of the ten randomly selected popular extensions I packaged as rpm¹ are marked compatible with Firefox 4 currently. cu Ludwig [1] https://features.opensuse.org/311163 -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 01/26/2011 03:26 PM, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13? My favourite would be the former but it basically has disadvantages: - not all addons will be compatible by then
That's probably an understatement. Only three of the ten randomly selected popular extensions I packaged as rpm¹ are marked compatible with Firefox 4 currently.
cu Ludwig
Mostly we can during the M6 - RC call to use and report non working plugin helpfull tools https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/add-on-compatibility-reporter... which help me to run and disable compatibility check for scrapbook for example -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 01/26/2011 10:30 AM, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
with 11.4 deadline arriving fast (rc1 checkin date is february 4th) I want to give a small notice about the status of Firefox (and other mozilla apps).
Here is the latest short term schedule from Mozilla for Firefox 4: http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2011/01/25/updated-firefox-4-beta-plan/
That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs.
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13? My favourite would be the former but it basically has disadvantages: - not all addons will be compatible by then - people who cannot do updates for whatever reason will stay with beta
And just another sidenote. The next scheduled security releases for Firefox, Thunderbird and seamonkey is probably february 8th which means the first updates for them are needed as online updates apparently before GA :-(
Wolfgang
I see no reason at all to ship an old and soon to be obsoleted browser with 11.4. Moreover, I have been testing Wolfgang's packages for months and they are very stable, fast and all the major plugins like flash seem to work well. Based on my experience, updating from b11 > 4.0 final should be easy and painless. Yes, the UI has some differences, but it seems efficient once you are familiar. I've yet to see any real display regressions with a wide range of websites, both English and with other languages. Cheers, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 26 Jan 2011 15:56:43 +0100 Peter Linnell <mrdocs@opensuse.org> wrote:
I've yet to see any real display regressions with a wide range of websites, both English and with other languages.
If you have a display with > 96dpi, everything is unreadably small. Apart from that, it's running fine for me (using FACTORY), and I also would not suggest shipping an abandoned release. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 09:30:48 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Hi,
with 11.4 deadline arriving fast (rc1 checkin date is february 4th) I want to give a small notice about the status of Firefox (and other mozilla apps).
Here is the latest short term schedule from Mozilla for Firefox 4: http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2011/01/25/updated-firefox-4-beta-plan/
That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs.
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13? My favourite would be the former but it basically has disadvantages: - not all addons will be compatible by then - people who cannot do updates for whatever reason will stay with beta
And just another sidenote. The next scheduled security releases for Firefox, Thunderbird and seamonkey is probably february 8th which means the first updates for them are needed as online updates apparently before GA :-(
Wolfgang Hi ..
Well i cant comment on wether 4 is any better than 3.6 as i have not been able to get any of the 4 beta's to run for me so my choice would definately stay with the beast i know 3.6 unless of course someone can point me to a 4 beta something that works and doers not trash my 3.6 install that is .. Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 15:57 up 1 day 23:30, 4 users, load average: 0.05, 0.06, 0.02 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.01.2011 16:59, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
Well i cant comment on wether 4 is any better than 3.6 as i have not been able to get any of the 4 beta's to run for me so my choice would definately stay with the beast i know 3.6 unless of course someone can point me to a 4 beta something that works and doers not trash my 3.6 install that is ..
Please point me to the bugreports or explain what's happening. The beta versions in Factory and mozilla:beta are there to find remaining issues. Every available FF4 package will "trash" your 3.6 install. But it's pretty easy to trash the FF4 package with an existing 3.6 package again ;-) Just be sure to have backups from your profile during testing. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:03:02 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 26.01.2011 16:59, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
Well i cant comment on wether 4 is any better than 3.6 as i have not been able to get any of the 4 beta's to run for me so my choice would definately stay with the beast i know 3.6 unless of course someone can point me to a 4 beta something that works and doers not trash my 3.6 install that is ..
Please point me to the bugreports or explain what's happening. The beta versions in Factory and mozilla:beta are there to find remaining issues.
Every available FF4 package will "trash" your 3.6 install. But it's pretty easy to trash the FF4 package with an existing 3.6 package again ;-) Just be sure to have backups from your profile during testing.
Wolfgang
I did install it and what i get is this firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time . Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 16:07 up 1 day 23:40, 4 users, load average: 0.15, 0.08, 0.02 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 26.01.2011 17:11, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time .
No, it's because you don't install the packages we provide but probably the upstream tarball or whatever else. I also believe in choice but that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for software you get from somewhere :-( Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:28:10 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 26.01.2011 17:11, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered
you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time .
No, it's because you don't install the packages we provide but probably the upstream tarball or whatever else.
I also believe in choice but that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for software you get from somewhere :-(
Wolfgang
Right where is there an Opensuse version cus i cant find one .. These software repos are in a disgusting state what ever happened to 3 clicks i think it is time all these web sites were recombined into one instead of here there and everywhere it is a real PITA if you are not in the know to find things We need a full list of repo's centreally located that can be viewed easily to find where things are . I am not interested in what other distro's do before anyone pipes in only Opensuse Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 17:30 up 2 days 1:03, 3 users, load average: 0.29, 0.35, 0.39 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Peter Nikolic <p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:28:10 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 26.01.2011 17:11, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered
you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time .
No, it's because you don't install the packages we provide but probably the upstream tarball or whatever else.
I also believe in choice but that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for software you get from somewhere :-(
Wolfgang
Right where is there an Opensuse version cus i cant find one ..
These software repos are in a disgusting state what ever happened to 3 clicks i think it is time all these web sites were recombined into one instead of here there and everywhere it is a real PITA if you are not in the know to find things
We need a full list of repo's centreally located that can be viewed easily to find where things are .
I am not interested in what other distro's do before anyone pipes in only Opensuse
Pete, The software search tool can be a pain because it returns so many hits sometimes. If you look at: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE%3A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true you will see the 4.0 beta about half way down the page. Use the one-click from there Good Luck -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 18:12:17 Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Peter Nikolic
<p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:28:10 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 26.01.2011 17:11, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered
you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time .
No, it's because you don't install the packages we provide but probably the upstream tarball or whatever else.
I also believe in choice but that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for software you get from somewhere :-(
Wolfgang
Right where is there an Opensuse version cus i cant find one ..
These software repos are in a disgusting state what ever happened to 3 clicks i think it is time all these web sites were recombined into one instead of here there and everywhere it is a real PITA if you are not in the know to find things
We need a full list of repo's centreally located that can be viewed easily to find where things are .
I am not interested in what other distro's do before anyone pipes in only Opensuse
Pete,
The software search tool can be a pain because it returns so many hits sometimes.
If you look at: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE%3 A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true
you will see the 4.0 beta about half way down the page. Use the one-click from there
Good Luck HUmmmm well i have followed the link above used the one click install as suggested guess what still on Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux x86_64; en-GB; rv:1.9.2.13) Gecko/20101203 SUSE/3.6.13-3.1 Firefox/3.6.13 ..
Either the link is faulty or the beta is actuall 3.6.13 I ran it from konq fire fox was not running Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 22:48 up 2 days 6:21, 4 users, load average: 0.31, 0.40, 0.36 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 18:12:17 Greg Freemyer wrote:
On Wed, Jan 26, 2011 at 12:35 PM, Peter Nikolic
<p.nikolic1@btinternet.com> wrote:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:28:10 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 26.01.2011 17:11, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered
you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time .
No, it's because you don't install the packages we provide but probably the upstream tarball or whatever else.
I also believe in choice but that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for software you get from somewhere :-(
Wolfgang
Right where is there an Opensuse version cus i cant find one ..
These software repos are in a disgusting state what ever happened to 3 clicks i think it is time all these web sites were recombined into one instead of here there and everywhere it is a real PITA if you are not in the know to find things
We need a full list of repo's centreally located that can be viewed easily to find where things are .
I am not interested in what other distro's do before anyone pipes in only Opensuse
Pete,
The software search tool can be a pain because it returns so many hits sometimes.
If you look at: http://software.opensuse.org/search?q=mozillafirefox&baseproject=openSUSE%3 A11.3&lang=en&exclude_filter=home%3A&exclude_debug=true
you will see the 4.0 beta about half way down the page. Use the one-click from there
Good Luck Hi .
Well i did get 4b10 installed althou the 1click thing just kept refreshing my 3.6 install so i wound up doing it via zypper long and short it works but!! 1 can i get the way it is laid out back to the same as 3.6 i hate the tab where they are it look like that dang virul infection IE can we get the bottom bar back to sanity and get the littl progress bar back those silly spinning things in the tabs are just that silly and too easy to miss the page reload buton needs to go back inthe the tool bar i need to change the order of things but cant find a way to do it , so ther are several things that need changing to be right and not be IE . Loading wise it loads in about half the time of 3.6 it has found from some where an extra search bar along side the main url bar that i cant get rid of and must go it is an unwelcome intrusion cant find how to trash that either . Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 08:23 up 3 days 15:56, 4 users, load average: 0.00, 0.00, 0.00 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 28.01.2011 09:31, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
1 can i get the way it is laid out back to the same as 3.6 i hate the tab where they are it look like that dang virul infection IE can we get the
open context menu in menu area (right click) and uncheck "Tabs on Top"
bottom bar back to sanity and get the littl progress bar back those silly spinning things in the tabs are just that silly and too easy to miss the page
check "Add-on bar" to get the bar back. You won't get progress bars though. This should bring back what you want: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/status-4-evar/
reload buton needs to go back inthe the tool bar i need to change the order of things but cant find a way to do it , so ther are several things that need changing to be right and not be IE .
click "Customize" in the above context menu and drag and drop the reload/stop buttons elsewhere.
Loading wise it loads in about half the time of 3.6 it has found from some where an extra search bar along side the main url bar that i cant get rid of and must go it is an unwelcome intrusion cant find how to trash that either .
I don't understand that sentence. "search bar along side the main url bar?" Isn't that the search which is included since the very beginning Firefox aka Phoenix? Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 January 2011 08:44:37 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 28.01.2011 09:31, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
1 can i get the way it is laid out back to the same as 3.6 i hate the tab where they are it look like that dang virul infection IE can we get the
open context menu in menu area (right click) and uncheck "Tabs on Top"
Ta sorted one down :-)
bottom bar back to sanity and get the littl progress bar back those silly spinning things in the tabs are just that silly and too easy to miss the page
check "Add-on bar" to get the bar back. You won't get progress bars though. This should bring back what you want: https://addons.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/addon/status-4-evar/
got the bar it was the progress one as that silly little red spinning circle thing is well nuff said
reload buton needs to go back inthe the tool bar i need to change the order of things but cant find a way to do it , so ther are several things that need changing to be right and not be IE .
click "Customize" in the above context menu and drag and drop the reload/stop buttons elsewhere.
Hum almost there
Loading wise it loads in about half the time of 3.6 it has found from some where an extra search bar along side the main url bar that i cant get rid of and must go it is an unwelcome intrusion cant find how to trash that either .
I don't understand that sentence. "search bar along side the main url bar?" Isn't that the search which is included since the very beginning Firefox aka Phoenix?
Wolfgang
Yep ok you have the main URL bar where you type a URL into well next to that i have another shorter bar that has the google symbol in it i have not installed a seperate search bar it was not there in 3.6.13 so where the heck it has come from i do not know i cant find a way to scrap it either and that bugs the living daylights out of me . im have never had a search bar donrt want a search bar i use google for that not a search bar this aint IE . On the whole getting better thou the loading speed is good and rendering is quicker Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 10:28 up 3 days 18:01, 4 users, load average: 0.12, 0.10, 0.07 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 28.01.2011 11:37, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
Yep ok you have the main URL bar where you type a URL into well next to that i have another shorter bar that has the google symbol in it i have not installed a seperate search bar it was not there in 3.6.13 so where the heck it has come from i do not know i cant find a way to scrap it either and that bugs the living daylights out of me . im have never had a search bar donrt want a search bar i use google for that not a search bar this aint IE .
Ok, the search bar you describe was the there since Firefox exists even with different names. So as a a SUSE package that makes it 2003. No idea why you never had it before. That sounds strange but anyway using the same "Customize" feature you should be able to get rid of it again. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:41:27 +0100 Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> wrote:
Ok, the search bar you describe was the there since Firefox exists even with different names. So as a a SUSE package that makes it 2003. No idea why you never had it before. That sounds strange but anyway using the same "Customize" feature you should be able to get rid of it again.
Yes, easily. But then there would be nothing left to complain :-) I still hate the fixed 96 dpi setting on my 120dpi monitors :-( But the rest is ok for me. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/01/28 14:41 (GMT+0100) Stefan Seyfried composed:
I still hate the fixed 96 dpi setting on my 120dpi monitors :-(
In what DTE? Last I checked via a fresh install, one of the advantages of openSUSE over no small number of other distros for KDE users was that DPI has not been not locked at 96. None of my 50 or more openSUSE/KDE logins are locked to 96, and on most distros I've tried that do lock it it isn't that hard to figure out how to unlock[1]. Firefox by default uses the greater of the DTE's DPI or 96, regardless of DTE, though it can be made to use lower via about:config or user.js. [1] http://fm.no-ip.com/PC/fonts-linux-about.html -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:02:11 -0500 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
On 2011/01/28 14:41 (GMT+0100) Stefan Seyfried composed:
I still hate the fixed 96 dpi setting on my 120dpi monitors :-(
In what DTE? Last I checked via a fresh install, one of the advantages of
GNOME, but IIRC KDE was the same
Firefox by default uses the greater of the DTE's DPI or 96, regardless of DTE, though it can be made to use lower via about:config or user.js.
Does not work for me anymore since Firefox 4. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/01/28 17:47 (GMT+0100) Stefan Seyfried composed:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:02:11 -0500 Felix Miata wrote:
On 2011/01/28 14:41 (GMT+0100) Stefan Seyfried composed:
I still hate the fixed 96 dpi setting on my 120dpi monitors :-(
In what DTE? Last I checked via a fresh install, one of the advantages of
GNOME, but IIRC KDE was the same
IIRC, never on openSUSE has this been the case in KDE by default with a fresh login account and FF profile.
Firefox by default uses the greater of the DTE's DPI or 96, regardless of DTE, though it can be made to use lower via about:config or user.js.
Does not work for me anymore since Firefox 4.
In which context? Maybe http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/08 describes what you're seeing? What do http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html and http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-ptdemo.html tell you? -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 12:52:01 -0500 Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
On 2011/01/28 17:47 (GMT+0100) Stefan Seyfried composed:
On Fri, 28 Jan 2011 11:02:11 -0500 Felix Miata wrote:
Firefox by default uses the greater of the DTE's DPI or 96, regardless of DTE, though it can be made to use lower via about:config or user.js.
Does not work for me anymore since Firefox 4.
In which context? Maybe http://weblogs.mozillazine.org/roc/archives/2010/08 describes what you're seeing? What do http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/dpi-screen-window.html and http://fm.no-ip.com/Auth/Font/fonts-ptdemo.html tell you?
25.4mm (should be) == 19.5mm (real) Which resembles the ~125 DPI (real) of my display vs. the 96 dpi (broken firefox setting I cannot change). And trying again - suddenly I can change it and it does work. Ok, everything back to normal, then. Maybe it needed a few browser restarts or that update to 4.0b10 fixed it :-) ...one more reason to go for 4.0 :) -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Friday 28 January 2011 10:41:27 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 28.01.2011 11:37, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
Yep ok you have the main URL bar where you type a URL into well next to that i have another shorter bar that has the google symbol in it i have not installed a seperate search bar it was not there in 3.6.13 so where the heck it has come from i do not know i cant find a way to scrap it either and that bugs the living daylights out of me . im have never had a search bar donrt want a search bar i use google for that not a search bar this aint IE .
Ok, the search bar you describe was the there since Firefox exists even with different names. So as a a SUSE package that makes it 2003. No idea why you never had it before. That sounds strange but anyway using the same "Customize" feature you should be able to get rid of it again.
Wolfgang If you say so
Althou i have never seen it before except on IE i just thought it was yet another step in the tilt towards keeping the MS clan happy maybe not i just need to find how to cul it .. Pete . -- Powered by openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) Kernel: 2.6.34.7-0.7-desktop KDE Development Platform: 4.5.5 (KDE 4.5.5) "release 1" 15:45 up 3 days 23:18, 4 users, load average: 0.06, 0.02, 0.00 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 2011/01/28 15:47 (GMT) Peter Nikolic composed:
Althou i have never seen it before except on IE i just thought it was yet another step in the tilt towards keeping the MS clan happy maybe not i just need to find how to cul it ..
Instructions are right there in bold at the top of the Customize Toolbar window after you select View > Toolbars > Customize, same as it has been for many many moons. I don't remove mine. I move it up into the vast otherwise perpetually empty space to the right of Help. -- "How much better to get wisdom than gold, to choose understanding rather than silver." Proverbs 16:16 NKJV Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch, 26. Januar 2011, 18:35:39 schrieb Peter Nikolic:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:28:10 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 26.01.2011 17:11, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered
you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time .
No, it's because you don't install the packages we provide but probably the upstream tarball or whatever else.
I also believe in choice but that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for software you get from somewhere :-(
Wolfgang
Right where is there an Opensuse version cus i cant find one ..
These software repos are in a disgusting state what ever happened to 3 clicks i think it is time all these web sites were recombined into one instead of here there and everywhere it is a real PITA if you are not in the know to find things
What's disgusting and a pita is the way you are speaking here, these repos contain possibly unstable software so we often assume people know how to get them. https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=mozilla%3AFactory Searching software.opensuse.org/search would have turned this up of course.
We need a full list of repo's centreally located that can be viewed easily to find where things are .
Have you tried searching for 'repositories' on en.opensuse.org? http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories Mozilla:Factory isn't there because it is used as a feeder project for opensuse:Factory and thus can contain highly unstable software.
I am not interested in what other distro's do before anyone pipes in only Opensuse
Pete .
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On Wednesday 26 January 2011 18:46:40 Karsten König wrote:
Am Mittwoch, 26. Januar 2011, 18:35:39 schrieb Peter Nikolic:
On Wednesday 26 January 2011 16:28:10 Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Am 26.01.2011 17:11, schrieb Peter Nikolic:
firefox-bin: error while loading shared libraries: libdbus-glib-1.so.2: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory
the file exists so after getting 3.6 working again i have not bothered
you see i believe i choice and do not like the idea of a beta version of something trashing your known working version but i spose that comes of too much time being spent on the development of the MS version all the time .
No, it's because you don't install the packages we provide but probably the upstream tarball or whatever else.
I also believe in choice but that doesn't mean that I'm responsible for software you get from somewhere :-(
Wolfgang
Right where is there an Opensuse version cus i cant find one ..
These software repos are in a disgusting state what ever happened to 3 clicks i think it is time all these web sites were recombined into one instead of here there and everywhere it is a real PITA if you are not in the know to find things
What's disgusting and a pita is the way you are speaking here, these repos contain possibly unstable software so we often assume people know how to get them. https://build.opensuse.org/project/show?project=mozilla%3AFactory
Well maybe just maybe you assume too much once again this is a case of i have got the balls to speak up where others have not so carry on i can bite One thing i hate is UNCALLED for remarks from someone that should know better Nuff said i will say no more on the subject
Searching software.opensuse.org/search would have turned this up of course.
We need a full list of repo's centreally located that can be viewed easily to find where things are .
Have you tried searching for 'repositories' on en.opensuse.org? http://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories
Mozilla:Factory isn't there because it is used as a feeder project for opensuse:Factory and thus can contain highly unstable software.
I am not interested in what other distro's do before anyone pipes in only Opensuse
Pete .
Karsten
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On 01/26/2011 08:46 PM, Karsten König wrote:
Mozilla:Factory isn't there because it is used as a feeder project for opensuse:Factory and thus can contain highly unstable software.
Actually, by the time a package gets to the main factory feeder devel project, it should be usable. Packages are usually updated and tested from the maintainers home project. Not to be used in an environment where a crash or a bug could cause serious damage yes but not "highly unstable software". Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am 27.01.2011 11:43, schrieb Dave Plater:
On 01/26/2011 08:46 PM, Karsten König wrote:
Mozilla:Factory isn't there because it is used as a feeder project for opensuse:Factory and thus can contain highly unstable software.
Actually, by the time a package gets to the main factory feeder devel project, it should be usable. Packages are usually updated and tested from the maintainers home project. Not to be used in an environment where a crash or a bug could cause serious damage yes but not "highly unstable software".
mozilla:Factory is in general only meant as a Factory feeder. The Firefox 4 beta which should be used by non-Factory users is in mozilla:beta. And that is not mentioned at the above page because it's beta. (Those packages are pretty much in sync currently but Firefox 4 was in mozilla:beta months before it entered Factory.) Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> [01-26-11 04:32]:
with 11.4 deadline arriving fast (rc1 checkin date is february 4th) I want to give a small notice about the status of Firefox (and other mozilla apps).
Here is the latest short term schedule from Mozilla for Firefox 4: http://christian.legnitto.com/blog/2011/01/25/updated-firefox-4-beta-plan/
That means that we would end up having Firefox 4 beta 11 for the GA version of 11.4. This is probably the last beta before they are starting to do RCs.
I want to raise the question if we would like to do that or reverting back to Firefox 3.6.13? My favourite would be the former but it basically has disadvantages: - not all addons will be compatible by then - people who cannot do updates for whatever reason will stay with beta
I installed the 4 beta 11 yesterday and after a day of usage I see some small probs but nothing that causes much grief. I would suggest inclusion in 11.4. -- Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://counter.li.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Bruno Friedmann -
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Greg Freemyer -
Karsten König -
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Ludwig Nussel -
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Patrick Shanahan -
Pavol Rusnak -
Peter Linnell -
Peter Nikolic -
Robert Kaiser -
Robert Schweikert -
Roman Bysh -
Stefan Seyfried -
Vincent Untz -
Wolfgang Rosenauer