Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2015, 13:25:17 schrieb Hans de Faber:

On 28/07/15 20:59, Cor Blom wrote:

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Op 28-07-15 om 20:27 schreef Hans de Faber:

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Recently i took a look at tumbleweed and milestone 42.1. I discovered that all virtual desktops are always identical.

If change a wallpaper on one of the desktops all desktops change to the chosen wallpaper. Where is the setting to have different wallpapers on each desktop ?

If i set the desktop to folderview and change "desktopsettings-location-specify a folder" the desktopfolder, it is always the same for all desktops. So also the icons and widgets are for all desktops identical.

Is this a known omission or is it still in the pipeline ?

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246

I've just discovered that the functionality of virtual-desktops is also in activities and available in tumbleweed and milestone42. I can give each activity a different wallpaper,switch each activity to folderview and give each activite its own desktop directory. Now all desktops (read activities) can be complete different.

The only difference i can find is virtualdesktops have a pager available and activities have not.

If we can get a pager for activities, i think we don't need virtualdesktops anymore.

And some - including me - think: "we don't need 'activities' anymore". That's a concept that may have looked good in theory but failed when it encountered reality. Who uses it? You obviously didn't. Nor do I. And apparently very few of those who vented their anger in the a. m. bug-thread. I had a similarly baffling experience with KDE: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316295#c2 And what really bugs me is not that they - like any of us - make mistakes. But that arrogant, Microsoft-like attitude and almost senile stubbornness with which they (or some of them) simply discard rightful and constructive critisism. Maybe some of them see themselves as "God's gift to users". Which which would be debatable. ;) Regards! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2015, 14:06:36 schrieb Roman Bysh:

On 07/29/2015 01:16 PM, Jay wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2015, 13:25:17 schrieb Hans de Faber:

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On 28/07/15 20:59, Cor Blom wrote:

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Op 28-07-15 om 20:27 schreef Hans de Faber:

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Recently i took a look at tumbleweed and milestone 42.1. I discovered that all virtual desktops are always identical.

If change a wallpaper on one of the desktops all desktops change to the chosen wallpaper. Where is the setting to have different wallpapers on each desktop ?

If i set the desktop to folderview and change "desktopsettings-location-specify a folder" the desktopfolder, it is always the same for all desktops. So also the icons and widgets are for all desktops identical.

Is this a known omission or is it still in the pipeline ?

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246

I've just discovered that the functionality of virtual-desktops is also in activities and available in tumbleweed and milestone42. I can give each activity a different wallpaper,switch each activity to folderview and give each activite its own desktop directory. Now all desktops (read activities) can be complete different.

The only difference i can find is virtualdesktops have a pager available and activities have not.

If we can get a pager for activities, i think we don't need virtualdesktops anymore.

And some - including me - think: "we don't need 'activities' anymore".

That's a concept that may have looked good in theory but failed when it encountered reality.

Who uses it? You obviously didn't. Nor do I. And apparently very few of those who vented their anger in the a. m. bug-thread.

I had a similarly baffling experience with KDE: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316295#c2

And what really bugs me is not that they - like any of us - make mistakes. But that arrogant, Microsoft-like attitude and almost senile stubbornness with which they (or some of them) simply discard rightful and constructive critisism.

Maybe some of them see themselves as "God's gift to users".

Which which would be debatable. ;)

Regards!

Rainer Fiebig

We've argued this years a go 'ad nauseum' when KDE4 was first released. The one feature provided by the old style pager from KDE3 that allowed different wallpapers was dropped.

This was part of the old code that was replaced by KDE4's Activities. No matter how many times you report this as a bug they will mark this as WONTFIX on the kde bugs forum.

I haven't reported the bug. And to me it's not important. But I was affected by this one: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316295#c2 And I really didn't like how the KDE-guys responded to that. Was quite similar.

Whilst the desktop plasma activity that is on by default uses plasmoids.

The folders/files activity is used by users that prefer the older style of right-clicking to create shortcuts previously seen in KDE3.

Activities provides the user a different layout and approach to the desktop.

Nice. But I'm too stupid to recognize the benefits this brings! ;) And it seems I'm not alone: http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-kde/2015-07/msg00019.html ;) Regards! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2015, 19:30:08 schrieb Graham P Davis:

On Wed, 29 Jul 2015 19:16:16 +0200

Jay wrote:

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And some - including me - think: "we don't need 'activities' anymore".

That's a concept that may have looked good in theory but failed when it encountered reality.

Who uses it? You obviously didn't. Nor do I. And apparently very few of those who vented their anger in the a. m. bug-thread.

Only reason I use activities is for setting up different power profiles; if I'm watching a film, I don't want to keep nudging the mouse every 10 minutes or so.

That's two then: yours and as a workaround for a dropped feature. ;) Regards! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am Donnerstag, 30. Juli 2015, 10:08:32 schrieb Dsant:

On 07/29/2015 07:16 PM, Jay wrote:

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Am Mittwoch, 29. Juli 2015, 13:25:17 schrieb Hans de Faber:

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On 28/07/15 20:59, Cor Blom wrote:

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Op 28-07-15 om 20:27 schreef Hans de Faber:

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Recently i took a look at tumbleweed and milestone 42.1. I discovered that all virtual desktops are always identical.

If change a wallpaper on one of the desktops all desktops change to the chosen wallpaper. Where is the setting to have different wallpapers on each desktop ?

If i set the desktop to folderview and change "desktopsettings-location-specify a folder" the desktopfolder, it is always the same for all desktops. So also the icons and widgets are for all desktops identical.

Is this a known omission or is it still in the pipeline ?

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246

I've just discovered that the functionality of virtual-desktops is also in activities and available in tumbleweed and milestone42. I can give each activity a different wallpaper,switch each activity to folderview and give each activite its own desktop directory. Now all desktops (read activities) can be complete different.

The only difference i can find is virtualdesktops have a pager available and activities have not. If we can get a pager for activities, i think we don't need virtualdesktops anymore.

And some - including me - think: "we don't need 'activities' anymore".

That's a concept that may have looked good in theory but failed when it encountered reality.

Who uses it? You obviously didn't. Nor do I. And apparently very few of those who vented their anger in the a. m. bug-thread.

I had a similarly baffling experience with KDE: https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=316295#c2

And what really bugs me is not that they - like any of us - make mistakes. But that arrogant, Microsoft-like attitude and almost senile stubbornness with which they (or some of them) simply discard rightful and constructive critisism.

I agree @Rainer, I don't need KDE4 Plasmoids, so I stay with KDE3. OpenSUSE is one of the few distro offering it "out of the box" :]

Nice service of openSUSE, I'd say.

I tried Trinity Desktop ( https://www.trinitydesktop.org ) , but there was no visible added things at the time. And there is still no official repositories stored at opensuse.org

Dsant, from France

I use Plasma 4.14.9 for my desktop. And I like it: it's stable, speedy, adaptable and still nice to look at. "Activities" don't cut it with me but they don't get in my way either. So, no problem. Have a good day! Rainer Fiebig -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/30/2015 05:10 PM, Rick Chung wrote:

On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 08:27:58 PM Hans de Faber wrote:

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Recently i took a look at tumbleweed and milestone 42.1. I discovered that all virtual desktops are always identical.

Sadly, It is a missing feature on Plasma 5

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246

This is a shame. I provide openSuSE/KDE desktops for a group of scientists and engineers involved with data processing. They have multiple virtual desktops going with different processing runs in each. One woman likes to process with 20 desktops and she dances around them like a whirling dervish, using the different wallpapers as a clue to where she is. She will be less productive without this important feedback. Regards, Lew -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 31 of July 2015 04:56:56 Stefan Bruens wrote:

On Thursday 30 July 2015 17:47:52 Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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This is a shame. I provide openSuSE/KDE desktops for a group of scientists and engineers involved with data processing. They have multiple virtual desktops going with different processing runs in each. One woman likes to process with 20 desktops and she dances around them like a whirling dervish, using the different wallpapers as a clue to where she is. She will be less productive without this important feedback.

Thats kind of usage is exactly what activities are meant for.

Not exactly. I tried activities and no, they are too inconvenient for me to use. Virtual desktops suit me far better. For me, activities are more complicated to handle and much slower to switch than virtual desktops.

There is one thing current activities lack, an advanced/configurable switcher/overview, but thats it.

For me, the only thing activities lack is a simple way to completely disable them. Even if I don't want to use them, from time to time I happen to press some key combination accidentally, ending up with a clean new activity and everything I had open is gone - and I really mean gone, not just hidden, even ps doesn't show the processes. Worst thing is I have no idea which shortcut does this so that I can't disable it. Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 04:56:56 +0200 Stefan Bruens wrote:

On Thursday 30 July 2015 17:47:52 Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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On 07/30/2015 05:10 PM, Rick Chung wrote:

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On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 08:27:58 PM Hans de Faber wrote:

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Recently i took a look at tumbleweed and milestone 42.1. I discovered that all virtual desktops are always identical.

Sadly, It is a missing feature on Plasma 5

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246

This is a shame. I provide openSuSE/KDE desktops for a group of scientists and engineers involved with data processing. They have multiple virtual desktops going with different processing runs in each. One woman likes to process with 20 desktops and she dances around them like a whirling dervish, using the different wallpapers as a clue to where she is. She will be less productive without this important feedback.

Thats kind of usage is exactly what activities are meant for.

Virtual desktops are orthogonal to activies, although virtual desktops have been abused for this kind of usage.

Virtual desktops provide exactly one thing, more space, nothing else.

There is one thing current activities lack, an advanced/configurable switcher/overview, but thats it.

Trouble is, it's that "one thing" that stopped me using it after I set up a test user with 8 "activities" replacing my 8 "desktops". It's just too much of a bind switching from one activity to another. When you have that many(?) activities, the panel that pops up on Plasma5 often requires scrolling down to reach the one you want. Why is so much waste space allocated to each activity? -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.2 (64-bit); KDE 4.14.9; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 4.1.3; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nouveau driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 07/31/2015 03:09 AM, Jay wrote:

Am Freitag, 31. Juli 2015, 06:26:45 schrieb Graham P Davis:

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On Fri, 31 Jul 2015 04:56:56 +0200

Stefan Bruens wrote:

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On Thursday 30 July 2015 17:47:52 Lew Wolfgang wrote:

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On 07/30/2015 05:10 PM, Rick Chung wrote:

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On Tuesday, July 28, 2015 08:27:58 PM Hans de Faber wrote:

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> Recently i took a look at tumbleweed and milestone 42.1. > I discovered that all virtual desktops are always identical.

Sadly, It is a missing feature on Plasma 5

https://bugs.kde.org/show_bug.cgi?id=343246

This is a shame. I provide openSuSE/KDE desktops for a group of scientists and engineers involved with data processing. They have multiple virtual desktops going with different processing runs in each. One woman likes to process with 20 desktops and she dances around them like a whirling dervish, using the different wallpapers as a clue to where she is. She will be less productive without this important feedback.

Thats kind of usage is exactly what activities are meant for.

Virtual desktops are orthogonal to activies, although virtual desktops have been abused for this kind of usage.

Virtual desktops provide exactly one thing, more space, nothing else.

There is one thing current activities lack, an advanced/configurable switcher/overview, but thats it.

Trouble is, it's that "one thing" that stopped me using it after I set up a test user with 8 "activities" replacing my 8 "desktops". It's just too much of a bind switching from one activity to another. When you have that many(?) activities, the panel that pops up on Plasma5 often requires scrolling down to reach the one you want. Why is so much waste space allocated to each activity?

Guys, this is a useless dicussion.

According to my experience KDE is simply immune to even the most obvious, most well-meant, constructive criticism.

Let's leave them where they are and save life-time.

Or at least let's move this to the opensuse-kde list.

Regards!

Rainer Fiebig

Like I said in an earlier posting. We covered this issue when openSUSE 11.x was released with first release of KDE4. We complained through every channel possible without success. As far as kde devs are concerned this was marked as _WONTFIX_ _years ago_. As far as they're concerned this is a non issue. Full stop. Roman ICQ: 551368250 ============== -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org