[opensuse-factory] smpppd anyone?
Hi, Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-12-16 16:04, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory.
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEUEARECAAYFAlKvFv8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UaLACfXinT2/ZSSJ5ipj5RVBhXF0uw fNgAmNbuxUSpxkqduWhAMtuFJcRKg5Y= =xiE7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 16:06 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:04, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory.
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
Modem Manager can support modems. Regards Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2013-12-16 16:09, Oliver Neukum wrote:
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 16:06 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:04, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory.
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
Modem Manager can support modems.
Well, I never understood what smpppd job was. I always used wvdial directly. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with Thunderbird - http://www.enigmail.net/ iEYEARECAAYFAlKvGl8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Vu7QCeKendVaVhoXTfHpNmkVg8byGz HF4AnjNXHBRa45IXpYCXZcfyy+WgdN4n =q+FE -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 2013-12-16 16:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
Modem Manager can support modems.
Well, I never understood what smpppd job was. I always used wvdial directly.
An abstraction perhaps? For ISDN, I remember using `isdnctrl dial ippp0` rather than wvdial. And for PPPoE, starting pppd itself was usually enough since the line was already open. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Montag, 16. Dezember 2013, 18:07:43 wrote Jan Engelhardt:
On Monday 2013-12-16 16:21, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
Modem Manager can support modems.
Well, I never understood what smpppd job was. I always used wvdial directly.
An abstraction perhaps? For ISDN, I remember using `isdnctrl dial ippp0` rather than wvdial. And for PPPoE, starting pppd itself was usually enough since the line was already open.
yes, it was our backend server, which needed root permissions for the GUI front-ends (called kinternet back then). Basically to avoid that the GUI need to run as root. So similar to NetworkManager approach later on, but focused on modems and ISDN. -- Adrian Schroeter email: adrian@suse.de SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5 90409 Nürnberg Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 16 December 2013, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:09, Oliver Neukum wrote:
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 16:06 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:04, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Hi,
Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory.
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
Modem Manager can support modems.
Well, I never understood what smpppd job was. I always used wvdial directly.
Have you managed to use a standard config file like /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-dsl0 without using smpppd? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 El 2013-12-17 a las 12:29 +0100, Ruediger Meier escribió:
On Monday 16 December 2013, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Modem Manager can support modems.
Well, I never understood what smpppd job was. I always used wvdial directly.
Have you managed to use a standard config file like /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-dsl0 without using smpppd?
No, as I said, I called wvdial with its own config file from a terminal, for dialup modems. I think I had to make certain files SUID, but this is long ago, I don't remember the details. I have also used network manager to setup cellular connection (gsm or similar). I don't know exactly how this works. - -- Cheers Carlos E. R. (from 11.4, with Evergreen, x86_64 "Celadon" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlLE0AcACgkQja8UbcUWM1w6/QD8D2RTTd34GjYW6y/+m+arVg0C 8BKThFiDiC+NR4FBuD0A/3iPBTxdJmpwCQatfGqAqfvhOSz7GZ3LFDWQuA6Da/Ek =GFDc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On 02.01.2014 03:33, Carlos E. R. wrote:
El 2013-12-17 a las 12:29 +0100, Ruediger Meier escribió:
On Monday 16 December 2013, Carlos E. R. wrote:
Modem Manager can support modems.
Well, I never understood what smpppd job was. I always used wvdial directly.
Have you managed to use a standard config file like /etc/sysconfig/network/ifcfg-dsl0 without using smpppd?
No, as I said, I called wvdial with its own config file from a terminal, for dialup modems. I think I had to make certain files SUID, but this is long ago, I don't remember the details.
I have also used network manager to setup cellular connection (gsm or similar). I don't know exactly how this works.
Having setup my private server with 13.1 and wanted to configure a dsl line, smpppd comes in very handy. So dropping it for now is not a good idea imho. Thanks Tobias -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:04, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory.
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems. -Archie -- Archie L. Cobbs -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 09:51 -0600, Archie Cobbs wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:04, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory.
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems.
Modem Manager is supposed to handle DSL, too, but this is not tested. Does QA do so? Regards Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-12-16 16:51, Archie Cobbs wrote:
On Mon, Dec 16, 2013 at 9:06 AM, Carlos E. R. <carlos.e.r@opensuse.org> wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:04, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Is anyone interested in maintaining smpppd? My personal usecase is gone so I have no use for smpppd anymore. If no one steps up I'll request dropping it from Factory.
I believe there are still people using modems, but I doubt they read here.
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems.
I'm not sure if it is used to connect via GSM (& etc) modems. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
On Mon, 2013-12-16 at 17:52 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On 2013-12-16 16:51, Archie Cobbs wrote:
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems.
I'm not sure if it is used to connect via GSM (& etc) modems.
Only if the modem uses the older kernel drivers. MBIM and QMI create network devices, so no PPP is involved. Modern UMTS or LTE without ModemManager is really not an option. Regards Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 2013-12-16 18:57, Oliver Neukum wrote:
Modern UMTS or LTE without ModemManager is really not an option.
Well, it works in principle. Just start pppd to dial it up. The only hardships with most east-asian UMTS/3G/4G USB hardware are - ttyUSB device name is dynamic - usb_modeswitcheroo crap - the hardware plain *sucks* (like, some gadgets report no mobile networks were found if booted in an unlucky moon minute.) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2013-12-17 at 00:56 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Monday 2013-12-16 18:57, Oliver Neukum wrote:
Modern UMTS or LTE without ModemManager is really not an option.
Well, it works in principle. Just start pppd to dial it up.
The only hardships with most east-asian UMTS/3G/4G USB hardware are - ttyUSB device name is dynamic
There is none, when MBIM and QMI are used. Neither do they speak PPP. That is the point.
- usb_modeswitcheroo crap
Legacy by now. The latest generation no longer uses it. Astoninglishly enough we have to thank Microsoft for that.
- the hardware plain *sucks* (like, some gadgets report no mobile networks were found if booted in an unlucky moon minute.)
Well, yes. We might need much more extensive error handling and retries in ModemManager. Regards Oliver -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
El 16/12/13 12:51, Archie Cobbs escribió:
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems.
Networkmanager 0.9.6.x does support xDSL as well. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Monday 16 December 2013, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 16/12/13 12:51, Archie Cobbs escribió:
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems.
Networkmanager 0.9.6.x does support xDSL as well.
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 2013-12-17 12:37, Ruediger Meier wrote:
On Monday 16 December 2013, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 16/12/13 12:51, Archie Cobbs escribió:
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems.
Networkmanager 0.9.6.x does support xDSL as well.
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless.
Define useless. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2013-12-17 12:37, Ruediger Meier wrote:
On Monday 16 December 2013, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 16/12/13 12:51, Archie Cobbs escribió:
I'm pretty sure smppd is also used for PPPoE, e.g. for use with DSL lines. So it's not just for old style analog modems.
Networkmanager 0.9.6.x does support xDSL as well.
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless.
Define useless.
For example after adding adresses (ip a a ...) they disappeared again after a some seconds. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Dne Út 17. prosince 2013 14:17:10, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2013-12-17 12:37, Ruediger Meier wrote:
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless.
Define useless.
For example after adding adresses (ip a a ...) they disappeared again after a some seconds.
That doesn't mean ip is becoming useless, just that NM is missing some important functionality. In your example, ip is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and if NM then removes the address, it's matter of what NM should or shouldn't do and has nothing to do with usefulness of ip. IMHO ip is in fact becoming more and more useful recently. Michal Kubecek -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Michal Kubecek wrote:
Dne Út 17. prosince 2013 14:17:10, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2013-12-17 12:37, Ruediger Meier wrote:
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless.
Define useless.
For example after adding adresses (ip a a ...) they disappeared again after a some seconds.
That doesn't mean ip is becoming useless, just that NM is missing some important functionality. In your example, ip is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and if NM then removes the address, it's matter of what NM should or shouldn't do and has nothing to do with usefulness of ip. IMHO ip is in fact becoming more and more useful recently.
Yes, that's what I wanted to say. Using NM makes it impossible to do something useful with the great ip tool. Of course this is not ip's fault. Back to topic. Are the suse ifup scripts able to call pppd directly somehow? If not then we should change this before throwing away smpppd. NM is obiously no option for many use cases. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
2013/12/17 Ruediger Meier <sweet_f_a@gmx.de>:
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Michal Kubecek wrote:
Dne Út 17. prosince 2013 14:17:10, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2013-12-17 12:37, Ruediger Meier wrote:
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless.
Define useless.
For example after adding adresses (ip a a ...) they disappeared again after a some seconds.
That doesn't mean ip is becoming useless, just that NM is missing some important functionality. In your example, ip is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and if NM then removes the address, it's matter of what NM should or shouldn't do and has nothing to do with usefulness of ip. IMHO ip is in fact becoming more and more useful recently.
Yes, that's what I wanted to say. Using NM makes it impossible to do something useful with the great ip tool. Of course this is not ip's fault.
Back to topic. Are the suse ifup scripts able to call pppd directly somehow? If not then we should change this before throwing away smpppd. NM is obiously no option for many use cases.
NM can work in console? With the adsl modems when it are setted in the bridge mode, one must to manage the login process to the ISP acount, and the way to setup it was via the Yast DSL module of the network devices (without NM), and for this connection was necesary smpppd. The last versions of opensuse hatte problems with the Yast DSL module: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=721872 NM do'nt use smpppd for the DSL modems? Regards, Juan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
El 17/12/13 13:19, Juan Erbes escribió:
NM can work in console?
Yes. with nmcli.
The last versions of opensuse hatte problems with the Yast DSL module: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=721872
NM do'nt use smpppd for the DSL modems?
at least is not required by networkmanager..anyway I can't test if this stuff works as I dumped my DSL line in favour of a cable-based service in 2009. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday 17 December 2013 14:53:29 Michal Kubecek wrote:
Dne Út 17. prosince 2013 14:17:10, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2013-12-17 12:37, Ruediger Meier wrote:
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless.
Define useless.
For example after adding adresses (ip a a ...) they disappeared again after a some seconds.
That doesn't mean ip is becoming useless, just that NM is missing some important functionality. In your example, ip is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and if NM then removes the address, it's matter of what NM should or shouldn't do and has nothing to do with usefulness of ip. IMHO ip is in fact becoming more and more useful recently.
Michal Kubecek
RTFM https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager/SystemSettings unmanaged-devices ... Regards, Stefan -- Stefan Brüns / Bergstraße 21 / 52062 Aachen phone: +49 241 53809034 mobile: +49 151 50412019
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Stefan Brüns wrote:
On Tuesday 17 December 2013 14:53:29 Michal Kubecek wrote:
Dne Út 17. prosince 2013 14:17:10, Ruediger Meier napsal(a):
On Tuesday 17 December 2013, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Tuesday 2013-12-17 12:37, Ruediger Meier wrote:
Is it possible to run Networkmanager in a way which does not conflict with additional manual setup? Whenever I tried NM I noticed that the ip command seems to become useless.
Define useless.
For example after adding adresses (ip a a ...) they disappeared again after a some seconds.
That doesn't mean ip is becoming useless, just that NM is missing some important functionality. In your example, ip is doing exactly what it is supposed to do and if NM then removes the address, it's matter of what NM should or shouldn't do and has nothing to do with usefulness of ip. IMHO ip is in fact becoming more and more useful recently.
Michal Kubecek
RTFM https://wiki.gnome.org/Projects/NetworkManager/SystemSettings
unmanaged-devices ...
Err, seems that unmanaged devices are ignored by NM. How could I use NM to setup devices once and then let me do with them whatever I want? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
participants (13)
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Adrian Schröter -
Archie Cobbs -
Carlos E. R. -
Carlos E. R. -
Cristian Rodríguez -
Jan Engelhardt -
Juan Erbes -
Ludwig Nussel -
Michal Kubecek -
Oliver Neukum -
Ruediger Meier -
Stefan Brüns -
Tobias Klausmann