[opensuse-factory] Tumbleweed update
Hm, the page with instructions referring to 'http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed' is incorrect. There is no such directory available. Thus, leaving tumbleweed with software lagging in versions compared to the supported main distributions. Maybe I do not understand the role of the tumbleweed/factory repositories? Are the only used for work on future releases? Not exactly what I understand of having a "rolling" release, or am I expecting to much? Regards, Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 14:26 +0100, Frans de Boer wrote:
Hm, the page with instructions referring to 'http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed' is incorrect. There is no such directory available. Thus, leaving tumbleweed with software lagging in versions compared to the supported main distributions.
Maybe I do not understand the role of the tumbleweed/factory repositories? Are the only used for work on future releases? Not exactly what I understand of having a "rolling" release, or am I expecting to much?
Regards, Frans.
Frans, Tumbleweed is a 'dual' role: it is a full rolling release, as you would expect (the update channel is not commonly used, as an update goes directly into the main repository; something, which a point-release does not get). the 2nd role is to create the point releases; in essence: a snapshot on any random date should do :) But, to the original issue: the update/channel is indeed not published as it seems (it is used for 'emergency' fixes, in a last resort to get a sec fix out, bypassing the full Staging/openQA test runs - obviously something that should be done with a bare minimum of cases. Cheers, Dominique PS: http://download.opensuse.org/update/factory/ seems still to work - it is redirected correctly; the /tumbleweed entry should do the same, but is apparently not setup yet) -- Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger <dimstar@opensuse.org> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger [03.12.2014 14:35]:
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 14:26 +0100, Frans de Boer wrote:
Hm, the page with instructions referring to 'http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed' is incorrect. There is no such directory available. Thus, leaving tumbleweed with software lagging in versions compared to the supported main distributions.
Maybe I do not understand the role of the tumbleweed/factory repositories? Are the only used for work on future releases? Not exactly what I understand of having a "rolling" release, or am I expecting to much?
Regards, Frans.
Frans,
Tumbleweed is a 'dual' role: it is a full rolling release, as you would expect (the update channel is not commonly used, as an update goes directly into the main repository; something, which a point-release does not get).
the 2nd role is to create the point releases; in essence: a snapshot on any random date should do :)
But, to the original issue: the update/channel is indeed not published as it seems (it is used for 'emergency' fixes, in a last resort to get a sec fix out, bypassing the full Staging/openQA test runs - obviously something that should be done with a bare minimum of cases.
Cheers, Dominique
PS: http://download.opensuse.org/update/factory/ seems still to work - it is redirected correctly; the /tumbleweed entry should do the same, but is apparently not setup yet)
Hm, I went along the guide, and setup the update/tumbleweed repo. While zypper is very picky about typos, I do not get any error that this repo update/tumbleweed causes any problems. So maybe it is visible for special user agents only? BTW, which software is older in tumbleweed than it is in 13.2? I mean, before the - in the version number? Werner --
Am 03.12.2014 um 14:45 schrieb Werner Flamme:
[...] Hm, I went along the guide, and setup the update/tumbleweed repo. While zypper is very picky about typos, I do not get any error that this repo update/tumbleweed causes any problems. So maybe it is visible for special user agents only?
It works in general. It's just not visible in the directoy listing as the URL is rewritten by apache.
BTW, which software is older in tumbleweed than it is in 13.2? I mean, before the - in the version number?
Hopefully none :-) cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstraße 5; 90409 Nürnberg; Germany -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 15:00 +0100, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Am 03.12.2014 um 14:45 schrieb Werner Flamme:
[...] Hm, I went along the guide, and setup the update/tumbleweed repo. While zypper is very picky about typos, I do not get any error that this repo update/tumbleweed causes any problems. So maybe it is visible for special user agents only?
It works in general. It's just not visible in the directoy listing as the URL is rewritten by apache.
Actually, I just re-verified.. and in fact http://download.opensuse.org/update/factory/ and http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/ Are both rewritten. Special care on the trailing '/' though: or it won't rewrite yet. Which normally is fine for zypp based downloads, as there is always at least a filename following. Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/03/2014 03:10 PM, Dimstar / Dominique Leuenberger wrote:
On Wed, 2014-12-03 at 15:00 +0100, Ludwig Nussel wrote:
Am 03.12.2014 um 14:45 schrieb Werner Flamme:
[...] Hm, I went along the guide, and setup the update/tumbleweed repo. While zypper is very picky about typos, I do not get any error that this repo update/tumbleweed causes any problems. So maybe it is visible for special user agents only?
It works in general. It's just not visible in the directoy listing as the URL is rewritten by apache.
Actually, I just re-verified.. and in fact
http://download.opensuse.org/update/factory/ and http://download.opensuse.org/update/tumbleweed/
Are both rewritten. Special care on the trailing '/' though: or it won't rewrite yet. Which normally is fine for zypp based downloads, as there is always at least a filename following.
Dominique
All, yes, I also found it strange that a rolling release uses a update directory. But I am not that well informed. Also, I checked too, and yes the URL is rewritten. Something Yast2 is not picking-up. Still I see (among others) mozilla updates on distros which are not found in either factory or tumbleweed. Ah, well. I think I just wait some time until tumbleweed start rolling again. If not, go back to 13.2 and use packman for the newer packages. Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Frans de Boer <frans@fransdb.nl> [12-03-14 15:19]:
All, yes, I also found it strange that a rolling release uses a update directory. But I am not that well informed.
Also, I checked too, and yes the URL is rewritten. Something Yast2 is not picking-up.
Still I see (among others) mozilla updates on distros which are not found in either factory or tumbleweed.
Ah, well. I think I just wait some time until tumbleweed start rolling again. If not, go back to 13.2 and use packman for the newer packages.
Tw is working, constantly. Although full versions are only issued when ready and that has been anywhere from two days to two weeks, incremental updates do appear several times every day and you are not restricted to only oss and non-oss repos as some of the packages that intrest you may be other places, such as: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/openSUSE_Factory... which will become: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/tumbleweed/ fwiw, on my system firefox is updated from http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss which should be the Tw OSS repo (or will be shortly). http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ The newer packages are on Tw -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/03/2014 09:33 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Frans de Boer <frans@fransdb.nl> [12-03-14 15:19]:
All, yes, I also found it strange that a rolling release uses a update directory. But I am not that well informed.
Also, I checked too, and yes the URL is rewritten. Something Yast2 is not picking-up.
Still I see (among others) mozilla updates on distros which are not found in either factory or tumbleweed.
Ah, well. I think I just wait some time until tumbleweed start rolling again. If not, go back to 13.2 and use packman for the newer packages.
Tw is working, constantly. Although full versions are only issued when ready and that has been anywhere from two days to two weeks, incremental updates do appear several times every day and you are not restricted to only oss and non-oss repos as some of the packages that intrest you may be other places, such as: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/openSUSE_Factory... which will become: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/tumbleweed/
fwiw, on my system firefox is updated from http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss
which should be the Tw OSS repo (or will be shortly). http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
The newer packages are on Tw
Ok, thanks. It seems that TW is not fully operational. The thing is that I prefer TW instead of factory, because I understood that TW is the "more stable" version of factory and factory is a testing ground. 13.2 is stable too, but has some very old pieces of software as opposed to TW. Frans. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Frans de Boer <frans@fransdb.nl> [12-03-14 15:48]:
Ok, thanks. It seems that TW is not fully operational. The thing is that I prefer TW instead of factory, because I understood that TW is the "more stable" version of factory and factory is a testing ground.
No, Tw *is* fully operational. What is happening is the current (or past current) openSUSE-Factory has replaced Tw which was maintained by Greg KH as they effectively became the same entities. iiuc, the ?confusion? is only that some of the repos have not been renamed.
13.2 is stable too, but has some very old pieces of software as opposed to TW.
To be expected as 13.2 is a point version which will only have security and bug fixes whereas Tw is a "rolling release" aka continuously updating. fwiw, I have been running Tw since it's inception and moved to Factory when Greg KH announced it would cease to exist, and now Factory is morphing (aiui, in name only) back to Tw. :^) If you are not now confused, I am ... -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Dec 3, 2014 at 3:46 PM, Frans de Boer <frans@fransdb.nl> wrote:
On 12/03/2014 09:33 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Frans de Boer <frans@fransdb.nl> [12-03-14 15:19]:
All, yes, I also found it strange that a rolling release uses a update directory. But I am not that well informed.
Also, I checked too, and yes the URL is rewritten. Something Yast2 is not picking-up.
Still I see (among others) mozilla updates on distros which are not found in either factory or tumbleweed.
Ah, well. I think I just wait some time until tumbleweed start rolling again. If not, go back to 13.2 and use packman for the newer packages.
Tw is working, constantly. Although full versions are only issued when ready and that has been anywhere from two days to two weeks, incremental updates do appear several times every day and you are not restricted to only oss and non-oss repos as some of the packages that intrest you may be other places, such as: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/openSUSE_Factory... which will become: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/tumbleweed/
fwiw, on my system firefox is updated from http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss
which should be the Tw OSS repo (or will be shortly). http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
The newer packages are on Tw
Ok, thanks. It seems that TW is not fully operational. The thing is that I prefer TW instead of factory, because I understood that TW is the "more stable" version of factory and factory is a testing ground.
13.2 is stable too, but has some very old pieces of software as opposed to TW.
Frans.
First, nothing older than Nov 1 or so is accurate. Things have been renamed. The current status is: Testing rings: As core code is submitted to factory it is first put through rings of testing as it is put through an autoQA process. As each testing ring is passed, the packages under test are pushed to the next ring which has more and more "updated" packages in it. The final ring has all the latest and greatest that has made it through the previous rings. The final ring is called factory as it always has been. Factory itself gets put through an autoQA process. If it passes, then Factory gets pushed to Tumbleweed. Thus if the packages being pushed to factory are well behaved and work together well, all the autoQA test pass and Tumbleweed is updated in short order. Unfortunately, reality is different and factory can get in modes where it fails autoQA. This can go on for days or even a couple weeks as the devs try to get all the pieces working together. Thus, in my opinion "factory" should only be used that are troubleshooting autoQA failures. Tumbleweed is what should be used by anyone who wants the rolling release. That seems clear until you start looking at the devel repositories in OBS. The renaming of "factory snapshots" to Tumblewee only took place a month ago and the process is very much still in precess. Thus you will often find the repositories named factory, when the corrent new name is Tumbleweed. HTH Greg -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Frans de Boer [03.12.2014 21:46]:
On 12/03/2014 09:33 PM, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
* Frans de Boer <frans@fransdb.nl> [12-03-14 15:19]:
All, yes, I also found it strange that a rolling release uses a update directory. But I am not that well informed.
Also, I checked too, and yes the URL is rewritten. Something Yast2 is not picking-up.
Still I see (among others) mozilla updates on distros which are not found in either factory or tumbleweed.
Ah, well. I think I just wait some time until tumbleweed start rolling again. If not, go back to 13.2 and use packman for the newer packages.
Tw is working, constantly. Although full versions are only issued when ready and that has been anywhere from two days to two weeks, incremental updates do appear several times every day and you are not restricted to only oss and non-oss repos as some of the packages that intrest you may be other places, such as: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/openSUSE_Factory... which will become: http://download.opensuse.org/repositories/multimedia:/photo/tumbleweed/
fwiw, on my system firefox is updated from http://download.opensuse.org/factory/repo/oss
which should be the Tw OSS repo (or will be shortly). http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
The newer packages are on Tw
Ok, thanks. It seems that TW is not fully operational. The thing is that I prefer TW instead of factory, because I understood that TW is the "more stable" version of factory and factory is a testing ground.
Did you read <https://en.opensuse.org/Portal:Tumbleweed> after 13.2 was released? And <https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Tumbleweed_Merger>? And you still did not answer the question which packages are older in tumbleweed than in 13.2. Werner --
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