"Carlos E. R." writes:

The Wednesday 2008-07-02 at 11:23 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Other than that: I just announced the openSUSE 11.1 roadmap...

] With openSUSE 11.0 out the door, it's time to start thinking about ] openSUSE 11.1. The public release of openSUSE 11.1 is scheduled for ] December 18, 2008, six months after the release of openSUSE 11.0.

Six months? Were we not doing an eight month cycle? Are we then back to 6 months cycles?

8 months is the general schedule but sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's shorter... 6 month is an exception like the 10 months between 10.2 and 10.3, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, Director Platform / openSUSE, aj@suse.de SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

Gerald Pfeifer pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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8 months is the general schedule but sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's shorter... 6 month is an exception like the 10 months between 10.2 and 10.3,

And isn't openSUSE 11.1 a nice holiday season present? ;-)

Gerald

Not if it's rushed out the door to quickly. I would rather see a 9 month cycle. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Thu 03 Jul 2008 03:30:42 NZST +1200, Alexey Eremenko wrote:

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Not if it's rushed out the door to quickly. I would rather see a 9 month cycle.

Yes, I also prefer 8-12 month cycles, rather than 6-month.

I would prefer 12 months. It takes too long to upgrade, recompile everything missing, and to get generally going again. More importantly, I would really like to see a finished product (to use the managerese) which has problems fixed, rather than the "it's released, therefore it's history and I don't care anymore" and the "release dates must be kept - let's hope we can get at least the critical ones fixed". I myself don't care if it's 3 months late, as long as it works really well. Volker -- Volker Kuhlmann is list0570 with the domain in header http://volker.dnsalias.net/ Please do not CC list postings to me. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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I am looking forward to see constantly flowing upgrades with no distro versions in the future, just newer software.

That would be really nice ... no more upgrade the whole distro with all potential problems that this entails, just upgrade the packages as they come. A really nice to have. - -- Kind Regards -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.7 iD8DBQFIa6PWNHr4BkRe3pIRAhw9AJ9fuzWfzcXP3gb2qtBJFjZ709pWDgCfQela qGAA+H+U3jc8oQioi2+UbQg= =Ea3E -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Vahis escribió:

I am looking forward to see constantly flowing upgrades with no distro versions in the future, just newer software.

That's not possible nor the way things should be done. -- "A computer is like an Old Testament god, with a lot of rules and no mercy. " Cristian Rodríguez R. Platform/OpenSUSE - Core Services SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Research & Development http://www.opensuse.org/

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Ken Schneider wrote:

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Gerald Pfeifer pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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8 months is the general schedule but sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's shorter... 6 month is an exception like the 10 months between 10.2 and 10.3,

And isn't openSUSE 11.1 a nice holiday season present? ;-)

Not if it's rushed out the door to quickly. I would rather see a 9 month cycle.

I am looking forward to see constantly flowing upgrades with no distro versions in the future, just newer software.

Just use factory :-) cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Onsdag den 2. Juli 2008 17:26:51 skrev Ken Schneider:

Gerald Pfeifer pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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8 months is the general schedule but sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's shorter... 6 month is an exception like the 10 months between 10.2 and 10.3,

And isn't openSUSE 11.1 a nice holiday season present? ;-)

Gerald

Not if it's rushed out the door to quickly. I would rather see a 9 month cycle.

Note that 11.1 has more betas, more rcs and much longer feature freeze period than the previous releases. That should be more decisive for the quality of the released product than the length of the total cycle. Unless someone comes up with some craziness of ZMD proportions, my biggest worry regarding 11.1 is missing out on major upstream releases like OOo 3.0, KDE 4.1.x-releases, KOffice2, Amarok2 and such. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Am Mittwoch 02 Juli 2008 schrieb Ken Schneider:

Gerald Pfeifer pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Wed, 2 Jul 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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8 months is the general schedule but sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's shorter... 6 month is an exception like the 10 months between 10.2 and 10.3,

And isn't openSUSE 11.1 a nice holiday season present? ;-)

Gerald

Not if it's rushed out the door to quickly. I would rather see a 9 month cycle.

Get a baby :) Greetings, Stephan (btw, welcome back) -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

"Carlos E. R." writes:

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The Wednesday 2008-07-02 at 11:23 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Other than that: I just announced the openSUSE 11.1 roadmap...

] With openSUSE 11.0 out the door, it's time to start thinking about ] openSUSE 11.1. The public release of openSUSE 11.1 is scheduled for ] December 18, 2008, six months after the release of openSUSE 11.0.

Six months? Were we not doing an eight month cycle? Are we then back to 6 months cycles?

8 months is the general schedule but sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's shorter... 6 month is an exception like the 10 months between 10.2 and 10.3,

Andreas

Hummmm smells a lot like i think we screwed on 11.0 so lets get 11.1 out to quell the masses to me . pete -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Martin Schlander wrote:

Onsdag den 2. Juli 2008 17:52:28 skrev peter nikolic:

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On Wednesday 02 July 2008, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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"Carlos E. R." writes:

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The Wednesday 2008-07-02 at 11:23 +0200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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Other than that: I just announced the openSUSE 11.1 roadmap...

] With openSUSE 11.0 out the door, it's time to start thinking about ] openSUSE 11.1. The public release of openSUSE 11.1 is scheduled for ] December 18, 2008, six months after the release of openSUSE 11.0.

Six months? Were we not doing an eight month cycle? Are we then back to 6 months cycles?

8 months is the general schedule but sometimes it's longer, sometimes it's shorter... 6 month is an exception like the 10 months between 10.2 and 10.3,

Andreas

Hummmm smells a lot like i think we screwed on 11.0 so lets get 11.1 out to quell the masses to me .

I think most find 11.0 is a good release.

It's been known that 11.1 would be released in December weeks (months?) before 11.0 release. The reason is more likely to be SLE schedule. --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

I have now tried 11.0 on 3 machines and it fails miserably on all the networking sucks wifi is a joke boot problems . 10.3 blows the living crap[ out of 11.0 even 10.0 is less problematic and that is on fairly new hardware both 32 bit and 64 bit . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

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I have now tried 11.0 on 3 machines and it fails miserably on all the networking sucks wifi is a joke boot problems . 10.3 blows the living crap[ out of 11.0

I have a friend who would share such sentiments and is consequently running 10.3. The area of wifi seems one of the main sticking points but

Alexey Eremenko wrote: there are others - I suppose it possibly depends on the hardware.

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even 10.0 is less problematic and that is on fairly new hardware both 32 bit and 64 bit .

I have 5 11.0 boxes using wifi quite happily. I am using these boxes behing a Smoothwall 3 firewall to a cable modem, with the wifi used as backup during cable outages which on occasions occurs. A total of 6 11.0 boxes, 5 64-bit and 1 32-bit. Would I consider a 10.x box? Certainly not and I'm using AMD hardware with NVidia cards/driver on 4 boxes. For all the problems I have heard of with 11.0, I keep asking myself why I'm not seeing these problems and what am I doing wrong. I use quite a number of apps that I have built myself (the FlightGear suite and lots else) or that are provided as binaries and I'm running vanilla kernels on 5 and openSUSE kernels on the x86 box - a mix which you'd think would be more likely to be problematical.

Well, openSUSE has new bugs/ and regressions from version to version. The only way to combat this is to participate during BETA process. For me, I was able to eliminate about 50% of the most serious bugs, that affect my user experience out of any openSUSE release.

I did it by simply reporting them in bugzilla, and making follow-up.

Wise words, during Alpha and Beta I submitted a number of bug reports which have all been resolved and not present in 11.0. Such bug reports are vital, if they are not forthcoming, then those bugs may be there at GM release. Same goes for any piece of software, I have one example where there was a mistake in a kernel source file that had been there for a very long time and only bit when I went past a certain -rc kernel release, causing Linus to wonder why it didn't cause a problem in all that time until I hit it. When I initially reported it as a kernel problem, the response from one developer was that it was a problem I should push to openSUSE rather than the kernel, but I insisted it was a kernel problem repeatable on a number of boxes with a development kernel at and after a certain -rc release. After more than 3 weeks one other user hit the same problem on a laptop and another distro. It got fixed when the developer of a file noticed he used ">=" instead of "!=". Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Markus Koßmann writes:

Am Mittwoch, 2. Juli 2008 schrieb Andreas Jaeger:

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Coolo is on vacation this week and the next, so I'll try to help out a bit.

I'm currently trying to get an internal Alpha0 out of the door. Basically this means getting all packages building again after some major changes like KDE update to 4.1 beta, GNOME updates, YaST changes and changes to libraries that broke other packages - which in the end lead to a inconsistent factory version. I hope to get this fixed today but with the build service down, it might take until next week.

Is this the reason for the following problem when trying to update factory (with zypper dup) ?

I doubt it - could you file a bugreport, please (assign it directly to me as aj@novell.com)? I'll forward this email as well...

Aktualisiere 'factory' * Erzeuge Cache für Repository 'factory' Fehler beim Aufbau des lokeln Zwischenspeichers: repo2solv.sh "/var/cache/zypp/raw/factory" > "/var/cache/zypp/factory.solv" Bad dependency line: openSUSE-release-live

Warning: Deaktiviere Repository 'factory' Aufgrund des obigen Fehlers. Aktualisiere 'SL-Factory-non-oss/' * Erzeuge Cache für Repository 'SL-Factory-non-oss/' Fehler beim Aufbau des lokeln Zwischenspeichers: repo2solv.sh "/var/cache/zypp/raw/SL-Factory-non-oss_"

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"/var/cache/zypp/SL-Factory-non-oss_.solv" Bad dependency line: openSUSE-release-live

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