[opensuse-factory] RFC: what to put on the live cds
Hi, You may have noticed or may be not, but I've experimented a bit with the factory live cds. While the 11.1 livecds used some combination of squashfs+aufs, the factory live cds use some new, experimental file system with the working title "doenerfs", which embeds an ext3 image. As this uses lzma compression, the size went from ~680MB to ~570MB for a GNOME live cd@ i586. Now I had several requests in the past to add additional software that I had to refuse because there just wasn't enough room on the CD (and I need to extra MB as buffer because with compression the size required can jump quite considerable from build to build). So I ask: what do you think I should add. Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.: - gimp - java runtime - beagle - the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters) - 4 more text editors - 3 more shells And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. This is actually my preferred solution - as I see the live cd use case (smaller download) more visible in countries that speak languages other languages than german and english. If you look at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics, this would mean: russian, italian, spanish, spanish, polish, french (as it fits). Of course a third option is: leaving the live cd at 570MB for smaller download (and/or more free space on a USB stick). Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Apr 15 16:06 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.: ... - the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters)
If a printing locally stack is possible at all one can omit the following packages because they are not strictly required: cups-backends usually not needed at all ghostscript-omni usually not needed at all, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492690#c2 gutenprint recommended well working driver in particular for Epson printers but cups-drivers already provides basic support hplip recommended perfectly working driver for HP printers but cups-drivers already provides basic support and hplip pulls in sane-backends scanner driver stuff Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, an addendum On Apr 15 16:25 Johannes Meixner wrote (shortened):
On Apr 15 16:06 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.: ... - the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters)
If a printing locally stack is possible at all one can omit the following packages because they are not strictly required:
cups-backends usually not needed at all
ghostscript-omni usually not needed at all, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492690#c2
gutenprint recommended well working driver in particular for Epson printers but cups-drivers already provides basic support
hplip recommended perfectly working driver for HP printers but cups-drivers already provides basic support and hplip pulls in sane-backends scanner driver stuff
manufacturer-PPDs recommended perfectly working PPDs for PostScript printers but cups already provides basic support Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany AG Nuernberg, HRB 16746, GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 15 April 2009 schrieb Johannes Meixner:
Hello,
On Apr 15 16:06 Stephan Kulow wrote (shortened):
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.:
...
- the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters)
If a printing locally stack is possible at all one can omit the following packages because they are not strictly required:
cups-backends usually not needed at all
ghostscript-omni usually not needed at all, see https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=492690#c2
gutenprint recommended well working driver in particular for Epson printers but cups-drivers already provides basic support
hplip recommended perfectly working driver for HP printers but cups-drivers already provides basic support and hplip pulls in sane-backends scanner driver stuff
OK, that added ~25MB. Next build will have added russian, let's see how much that adds. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
is it possible to install from the boot menu? launching the live cd from low end hardware is sometime difficult, when running the distro is possible thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 15 April 2009 schrieb jdd:
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
is it possible to install from the boot menu? launching the live cd from low end hardware is sometime difficult, when running the distro is possible
You can boot into runlevel 1 or 2 and call yast2 live-installer - is that what you're asking to be automated? If so, just provide a patch. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
You can boot into runlevel 1 or 2 and call yast2 live-installer - is that what you're asking to be automated? If so, just provide a patch.
I see. I could try it with 11.0 cd. Install is extreeeeeeeemely slow (going from a YaST screen to an other - virtualbox, 512Mo ram) and not in graphic mode (may be usefull) and I don't see any menu.lst in the install and have no idea how the boot options are managed may be is could simply be an option in the Fx secondary menu - even a comment should be good jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
did you notice the build 52 is 440 *ko* jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 19:31:52 jdd wrote:
did you notice the build 52 is 440 *ko*
Yeah, the build service loves to do such things ;( Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le mercredi 15 avril 2009, à 16:06 +0200, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.:
- gimp - java runtime - beagle - the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters) - 4 more text editors - 3 more shells
And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. This is actually my preferred solution - as I see the live cd use case (smaller download) more visible in countries that speak languages other languages than german and english. If you look at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics, this would mean: russian, italian, spanish, spanish, polish, french (as it fits).
I'd go with gimp and languages. At the moment, the fact that we only have two languages (iirc) on the livecd is really bad for most countries... Do you know how many languages we could add? (or do you first need the languages to check the size they require?) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 15 April 2009 schrieb Vincent Untz:
Le mercredi 15 avril 2009, à 16:06 +0200, Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.:
- gimp - java runtime - beagle - the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters) - 4 more text editors - 3 more shells
And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. This is actually my preferred solution - as I see the live cd use case (smaller download) more visible in countries that speak languages other languages than german and english. If you look at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics, this would mean: russian, italian, spanish, spanish, polish, french (as it fits).
I'd go with gimp and languages. At the moment, the fact that we only have two languages (iirc) on the livecd is really bad for most countries...
Do you know how many languages we could add? (or do you first need the languages to check the size they require?)
With compression I'm unable to guess. So I would have to add language by language once we know it's the way to go. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Moin, On Wednesday 15 April 2009, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
You may have noticed or may be not, but I've experimented a bit with the factory live cds.
While the 11.1 livecds used some combination of squashfs+aufs, the factory live cds use some new, experimental file system with the working title "doenerfs", which embeds an ext3 image.
As this uses lzma compression, the size went from ~680MB to ~570MB for a GNOME live cd@ i586. Now I had several requests in the past to add additional software that I had to refuse because there just wasn't enough room on the CD (and I need to extra MB as buffer because with compression the size required can jump quite considerable from build to build).
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.:
- gimp - java runtime - beagle - the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters) - 4 more text editors - 3 more shells
And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. This is actually my preferred solution - as I see the live cd use case (smaller download) more visible in countries that speak languages other languages than german and english. If you look at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics, this would mean: russian, italian, spanish, spanish, polish, french (as it fits).
Of course a third option is: leaving the live cd at 570MB for smaller download (and/or more free space on a USB stick). I wouldn't add more software if thers is not really huge demand, especially not the third application of the same kind in just in another flavor. I'd go for something which enhances the Live CD in general which is in my opinion:
Prio1: more language support Prio2: the complete printing locally stack Best Michael
Greetings, Stephan
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On Wednesday 15 April 2009 09:06:39 am Stephan Kulow wrote: ...
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.:
- gimp
Installed Size: 23.5 M
- java runtime
Installed Size: 46.6 M ...
And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. ... this would mean: russian, italian, spanish, spanish, polish, french (as it fits).
Of course a third option is: leaving the live cd at 570MB for smaller download (and/or more free space on a USB stick).
jre - functionality that majority of users will see gimp - if there is no other IMP included languages - it's fine to have them I have no idea how big are the language files, if you can include only 1 of them then better add more applications. GIMP has GTk dependencies so it will ask for some libs, on the other hand Firefox will do the same and it is must have with any desktop. Konqueror in 4.2.2 is much better then the KDE3 cousin, but it still fails silently on some web content. I don't know yet about factory version. -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 16:40:32 Rajko M. wrote:
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 09:06:39 am Stephan Kulow wrote: ...
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.:
- gimp
Installed Size: 23.5 M
- java runtime
Installed Size: 46.6 M
The installed size is of little interest. Grab the live cd and do zypper in gimp. The download size is roughly what we're talking about. No idea what it will be. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Hi,
You may have noticed or may be not, but I've experimented a bit with the factory live cds.
While the 11.1 livecds used some combination of squashfs+aufs, the factory live cds use some new, experimental file system with the working title "doenerfs", which embeds an ext3 image.
As this uses lzma compression, the size went from ~680MB to ~570MB for a GNOME live cd@ i586. Now I had several requests in the past to add additional software that I had to refuse because there just wasn't enough room on the CD (and I need to extra MB as buffer because with compression the size required can jump quite considerable from build to build).
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD. This includes e.g.:
- gimp - java runtime - beagle - the complete printing locally stack (e.g. drivers, filters) - 4 more text editors - 3 more shells
And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. This is actually my preferred solution - as I see the live cd use case (smaller download) more visible in countries that speak languages other languages than german and english. If you look at http://en.opensuse.org/Statistics, this would mean: russian, italian, spanish, spanish, polish, french (as it fits).
Of course a third option is: leaving the live cd at 570MB for smaller download (and/or more free space on a USB stick).
Greetings, Stephan
gimp Regards Dave P -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> wrote: <snip>
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
I don't know if it is easy / hard, etc. but my primary use case for the liveCD is not supported at all currently. If it could initiate distro updates to an already installed machine, I would not have to download the DVDs at all. Every machine I have that has opensuse installed on it has Internet access. I've found zypper dup to be highly unreliable, at least going from OS 11.0 to OS 11.1. My ideal would be to download just the KDE liveCD and then use it plus the online repositories to upgrade my various computers. Even more cool would be if a single KDE liveCD could be used to upgrade both 32 and 64-bit installs. Greg -- Greg Freemyer Head of EDD Tape Extraction and Processing team Litigation Triage Solutions Specialist http://www.linkedin.com/in/gregfreemyer First 99 Days Litigation White Paper - http://www.norcrossgroup.com/forms/whitepapers/99%20Days%20whitepaper.pdf The Norcross Group The Intersection of Evidence & Technology http://www.norcrossgroup.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Il mercoledì 15 aprile 2009, Greg Freemyer scrisse:
My ideal would be to download just the KDE liveCD and then use it plus the online repositories to upgrade my various computers. This should be great ! Maybe someone can put this in FATE.. Bye.
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Daniele a écrit :
Il mercoledì 15 aprile 2009, Greg Freemyer scrisse:
My ideal would be to download just the KDE liveCD and then use it plus the online repositories to upgrade my various computers. This should be great ! Maybe someone can put this in FATE.. Bye.
why don't use the mini cd for that? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Il mercoledì 15 aprile 2009, jdd scrisse:
Daniele a écrit :
Il mercoledì 15 aprile 2009, Greg Freemyer scrisse:
My ideal would be to download just the KDE liveCD and then use it plus the online repositories to upgrade my various computers.
This should be great ! Maybe someone can put this in FATE.. Bye.
why don't use the mini cd for that? yes but mini/net cd is "only" useful for update/installation. I always download both, net install is my preferred way for new installation or upgrade. Live CD for testing or rescue system... Live CD with a full installer should be a must!
Oh well, waiting for Kulow requesting patch :)) Bye. -- *** Linux user # 198661 ---_ ICQ 33500725 *** *** Home http://www.kailed.net *** *** Powered by openSUSE *** -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 19:32:26 Daniele wrote:
yes but mini/net cd is "only" useful for update/installation. I always download both, net install is my preferred way for new installation or upgrade. Live CD for testing or rescue system... Live CD with a full installer should be a must!
Yeah, a CD that has the full DVD would be cool. Perhaps one of the readers can do magic? Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Il mercoledì 15 aprile 2009, Stephan Kulow scrisse:
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 19:32:26 Daniele wrote:
yes but mini/net cd is "only" useful for update/installation. I always download both, net install is my preferred way for new installation or upgrade. Live CD for testing or rescue system... Live CD with a full installer should be a must!
Yeah, a CD that has the full DVD would be cool. Perhaps one of the readers can do magic? You don't need magic, but a full repo avaible (local/network). Bye.
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On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add. Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD.
How about the ability to only install select packages instead of having to install the default selection and then remove after. Like being able to remove openoffice? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add. Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD.
1. You can get rid of beagle as far as I'm concerned. It's got severe performance issues and I remove it from my machines right after an install. 2. Both Evolution and Thunderbird ought to be there. 3. On the Gnome CD, you can get rid of XChat -- Pidgin does pretty good IRC now. On the KDE CD, Kopete is enough. 4. If there's room, put on Base Development, C/C++ Development and Linux kernel development patterns. 5. All of the gvim - vim-enhanced - vim-data and emacs. 6. Maybe some gizmo like Ubuntu has to go out and grab the proprietary drivers for your sound, wireless, video, etc. after an install. 7. Make an XFCE LiveCD?? -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://www.linkedin.com/in/edborasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
7. Make an XFCE LiveCD??
+1 - xfce4 has long been my desktop of choice for anything more than a few years old. It runs really well even on machines sporting a Pentium 1 and 256M! With all the space freed by that change there would be room for the development stuff... -- Cheers Richard (MQ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
7. Make an XFCE LiveCD??
+1 - xfce4 has long been my desktop of choice for anything more than a few years old. It runs really well even on machines sporting a Pentium 1 and 256M!
With all the space freed by that change there would be room for the development stuff...
Richard (MQ) a écrit : this could be a studio work. but are studio images available to anybody?? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 16 April 2009 schrieb Richard (MQ):
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
7. Make an XFCE LiveCD??
+1 - xfce4 has long been my desktop of choice for anything more than a few years old. It runs really well even on machines sporting a Pentium 1 and 256M!
With all the space freed by that change there would be room for the development stuff...
Will you maintain the live cd? Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Donnerstag 16 April 2009 schrieb Richard (MQ):
M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
7. Make an XFCE LiveCD?? +1 - xfce4 has long been my desktop of choice for anything more than a few years old. It runs really well even on machines sporting a Pentium 1 and 256M!
Will you maintain the live cd?
Stephan, I'm not sure how much you're inviting volunteers and how much pointing out the consequences of such an action? I've no experience building or maintaining a live CD so I've no idea of the work load involved (though I suspect it's a fair amount). It might be worth adding at this point that DSL (Damn Small Linux) already offers an excellent live CD with xfce4 - there's no point in trying to compete with it. what could we (openSuSE) add that they don't have, apart from the completely different package management - DSL is Debian based. Finally, I frequently use openSuSE with xfce4, and I know that a live CD would be much quicker than the existing KDE / gnome ones. This does matter, especially on older hardware. -- Cheers Richard (MQ) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hmmm ... how about a 200 MB LiveCD with XFCE that can create a custom bootable USB stick with whatever you want, downloaded from the Internet? I can *almost* do this now with the NET install CD -- I haven't been able to get the resulting USB stick to boot, but everything else works just fine. Something like UNetBootIn, but usable as a lightweight distro on its own ... -- M. Edward (Ed) Borasky http://www.linkedin.com/in/edborasky I've never met a happy clam. In fact, most of them were pretty steamed. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 16 April 2009 schrieb M. Edward (Ed) Borasky:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 12:17 PM, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add. Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD.
1. You can get rid of beagle as far as I'm concerned. It's got severe performance issues and I remove it from my machines right after an install. 2. Both Evolution and Thunderbird ought to be there. For what reason?
3. On the Gnome CD, you can get rid of XChat -- Pidgin does pretty good IRC now. On the KDE CD, Kopete is enough. The GNOME team has a different oppinion - bnc#381620
4. If there's room, put on Base Development, C/C++ Development and Linux kernel development patterns. Yeah, right. Did you read my mail at all?
5. All of the gvim - vim-enhanced - vim-data and emacs. For what reason?
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Stephan Kulow a écrit :
5. All of the gvim - vim-enhanced - vim-data and emacs. For what reason?
vim is good (but isn't it already there?) because the live cd is often used for debugging a crashed system jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Donnerstag 16 April 2009 schrieb jdd:
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
5. All of the gvim - vim-enhanced - vim-data and emacs.
For what reason?
vim is good (but isn't it already there?) because the live cd is often used for debugging a crashed system
That doesn't answer the question though. He claims "all of gvim and emacs" Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 16 April 2009 07:46:07 am Stephan Kulow wrote:
He claims "all of gvim and emacs"
:-) Because you are proven as our local magician. All that is need to ask for more and sooner or later you'll find the way. If possible to put 2 scoops of vanilla (French) ice cream ? ... and a soda (Schweps?). -- Regards, Rajko -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
That doesn't answer the question though. He claims "all of gvim
gvim is better, but I can live without and emacs" emacs is much bigger, I don't see the use here jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 14:33 +0200, jdd wrote:
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
5. All of the gvim - vim-enhanced - vim-data and emacs. For what reason?
vim is good (but isn't it already there?) because the live cd is often used for debugging a crashed system
Which is why I propose a specialized set of cds instead. I have use for a rescue cd more than for the normal cd :-) There are several types of live users: - Testing a new version of a known distro. - Testing an unknown distro. - Need of a linux while on somebody else's computer - ...? - Repair a Linux. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknnu8MACgkQtTMYHG2NR9U/zgCgj3HOxQ8+B+cKnqClSILMGunT 3DEAnjsXq5eNZ3Hg/xD+KII6fNcTeCk+ =ohjy -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Carlos E. R. a écrit :
vim is good (but isn't it already there?) because the live cd is often used for debugging a crashed system
Which is why I propose a specialized set of cds instead. I have use for a rescue cd more than for the normal cd :-)
well, there are. in fact there should be an answer if studio images are available for all, because specialized CD's are not worth mirrorring. elsewhere, we can have DSL, puppy linux or partition magic (all small or rescue live cd's). We could also use these as template to create openSUSE ones (let only to have YaST, the usual init structure.... all the things we are used to in openSUSE) I beg in studio such images could be maintained quite easily (after the first run), but I don't know exactly what studio is able to do (and I have no time to try) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 15:21 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
2. Both Evolution and Thunderbird ought to be there.
Both? For one desktop? Why? Evolution does the job just fine, I don't see why we would want to have two email clients.
3. On the Gnome CD, you can get rid of XChat -- Pidgin does pretty good IRC now.
Agree. I don't know why it was added in the first place - Pidgin is fine for most users, I use it all the time for IRC.
4. If there's room, put on Base Development, C/C++ Development and Linux kernel development patterns.
Hmm. The only time most people need these is when compiling software by hand - is there a widespread necessity for this?
5. All of the gvim - vim-enhanced - vim-data and emacs.
I would say that you probably don't need this for most users - but I suppose these are small enough they wouldn't matter much.
6. Maybe some gizmo like Ubuntu has to go out and grab the proprietary drivers for your sound, wireless, video, etc. after an install.
This is something that I would love to see in openSUSE in general - not just the live CD, now that openSUSE no longer includes proprietary software in the basic medias. Other than those comments, I *do* want to see The GIMP - also, is Cheese included in the GNOME Live CD? If not, that'd be interesting to have in the live CD. I'm also pushing for the inclusion of a few extra (relatively small) packages in the GNOME desktop for 11.2 (see openFATE #306307 & #305706), so I'd like to see those included as well (presuming they get included in 11.2) -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le lundi 20 avril 2009, à 19:04 -0500, Kevin Yeaux Dupuy a écrit :
Other than those comments, I *do* want to see The GIMP - also, is Cheese included in the GNOME Live CD? If not, that'd be interesting to have in the live CD.
Oh, cheese totally makes sense. It's one of the apps that we always show on all GNOME booths, since that's something people really enjoy. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Wed, 2009-04-15 at 15:21 -0700, M. Edward (Ed) Borasky wrote:
2. Both Evolution and Thunderbird ought to be there.
Both? For one desktop? Why? Evolution does the job just fine, I don't see why we would want to have two email clients.
Hmm... Choice?
3. On the Gnome CD, you can get rid of XChat -- Pidgin does pretty good IRC now.
Agree. I don't know why it was added in the first place - Pidgin is fine for most users, I use it all the time for IRC.
4. If there's room, put on Base Development, C/C++ Development and Linux kernel development patterns.
Hmm. The only time most people need these is when compiling software by hand - is there a widespread necessity for this?
To compile video drivers?
5. All of the gvim - vim-enhanced - vim-data and emacs.
I would say that you probably don't need this for most users - but I suppose these are small enough they wouldn't matter much.
6. Maybe some gizmo like Ubuntu has to go out and grab the proprietary drivers for your sound, wireless, video, etc. after an install.
This is something that I would love to see in openSUSE in general - not just the live CD, now that openSUSE no longer includes proprietary software in the basic medias.
Other than those comments, I *do* want to see The GIMP - also, is Cheese included in the GNOME Live CD?
Only for the folks that need to wine a lot. :-)) (sorry couldn't help it) Ken -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Mittwoch 15 April 2009 schrieb Larry Stotler:
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 10:06 AM, Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com> wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add. Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from the CD.
How about the ability to only install select packages instead of having to install the default selection and then remove after. Like being able to remove openoffice?
Use the NET ISOs. There are no packages on the livecd! It's a live system. If you want single package selection, use the NET ISOs. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
2009/4/15 Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com>:
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Personally I would vote for the following: 1. More languages 2. Printer stack 3. Java 4. GIMP I don't think there is a need to duplicate applications any more so than may already be there in the desktop patterns. At the end of the day the LiveCDs imho are to introduce people to openSUSE and also enable them to get up and running quickly. Once they're up and running then the user may configure their system to their hearts desire. Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member: FunkyPenguin openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 4/16/2009 at 04:29 PM, in message <78a1326c0904160359u7372005fqa9f142582fe57649@mail.gmail.com>, Andrew Wafaa <awafaa@opensuse.org> wrote: 2009/4/15 Stephan Kulow <coolo@novell.com>: So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Personally I would vote for the following: 1. More languages 2. Printer stack 3. Java 4. GIMP
The most common thing that my friends do is watch youtube videos. So to make live cd experience enjoyable, it may be good to package flash plugins by default (gnash - free flash player ?) . -- Sankar -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Wednesday, 2009-04-15 at 16:06 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
While the 11.1 livecds used some combination of squashfs+aufs, the factory live cds use some new, experimental file system with the working title "doenerfs", which embeds an ext3 image.
As this uses lzma compression, the size went from ~680MB to ~570MB for a GNOME live cd@ i586.
I'm interested in that "doenerfs". Google finds nothing of interest (just "Hermes - Notification Client" and "git.opensuse.org Git"). Perhaps it might be of use for creating backups on CD/DVD :-?
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Wish? Specialized CD images... ;-) Like one for rescue and net install (could even install itself on HD). Partitioning, data recovery, network diagnosis, whatever. Small X (not kde nor gnome). YaST. Boot another installed system on HD. Midnight commander, iptraf, ethereal. Wifi utils. For the standard CD, I'd vote for languages first, then perhaps java and flash for full browsing. Beagle certainly not (what for? it is a R/O filesystem) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknnNG8ACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Ur2gCcCCZWzTmuvLb+snf6hyveO5yd mowAniy5DeAm+GcMCeC4UMDaL3TrpVZB =WYMW -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thursday 16 April 2009 15:36:41 Carlos E. R. wrote:
I'm interested in that "doenerfs". Google finds nothing of interest (just "Hermes - Notification Client" and "git.opensuse.org Git"). Perhaps it might be of use for creating backups on CD/DVD :-? Just use xz for backups? doenerfs is not a generic file system. But it lives on git.opensuse.org, so google isn't that wrong :)
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Wish? Specialized CD images... ;-) Why does anyone make this a "what I always wanted to say about CDs" thread?
Like one for rescue and net install (could even install itself on HD). Partitioning, data recovery, network diagnosis, whatever. Small X (not kde nor gnome). YaST. Boot another installed system on HD. Midnight commander, iptraf, ethereal. Wifi utils.
For the standard CD, I'd vote for languages first, then perhaps java and flash for full browsing. Beagle certainly not (what for? it is a R/O filesystem)
Well, the live cd is r/o, but it's installable Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 21:09 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2009 15:36:41 Carlos E. R. wrote:
I'm interested in that "doenerfs". Google finds nothing of interest (just "Hermes - Notification Client" and "git.opensuse.org Git"). Perhaps it might be of use for creating backups on CD/DVD :-? Just use xz for backups? doenerfs is not a generic file system. But it lives on git.opensuse.org, so google isn't that wrong :)
What's xz? :-? So I guess there is no info page for doenerfs. Just curious.
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Wish? Specialized CD images... ;-) Why does anyone make this a "what I always wanted to say about CDs" thread?
You asked what we would like on the cd... O:-)
Like one for rescue and net install (could even install itself on HD). Partitioning, data recovery, network diagnosis, whatever. Small X (not kde nor gnome). YaST. Boot another installed system on HD. Midnight commander, iptraf, ethereal. Wifi utils.
For the standard CD, I'd vote for languages first, then perhaps java and flash for full browsing. Beagle certainly not (what for? it is a R/O filesystem)
Well, the live cd is r/o, but it's installable
Yes, but probably a small install, or for evaluation: beagle is not really needed there; and it can be installed from internet, as many other interesting packages Anyway, remember that beagle is conflictive, better leave it out ;-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknnt7cACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UcgQCeL6Bz4JgpWmRf8VtDhu5xZycE 824An1+KvtZKt5HnbSYrr3sS5qeB9co8 =pbRx -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 17 avril 2009, à 00:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 21:09 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2009 15:36:41 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Wish? Specialized CD images... ;-) Why does anyone make this a "what I always wanted to say about CDs" thread?
You asked what we would like on the cd... O:-)
You forgot the context... Stephan pointed out we have a bit more space on livecd now, so he proposed specific things we could add to the current livecd. He didn't ask "what kind of livecd should we have?" (not saying your idea is bad -- it's just off-topic for the original question) [...]
For the standard CD, I'd vote for languages first, then perhaps java and flash for full browsing. Beagle certainly not (what for? it is a R/O filesystem)
Well, the live cd is r/o, but it's installable
Yes, but probably a small install, or for evaluation: beagle is not really needed there; and it can be installed from internet, as many other interesting packages
Other distributions are making their livecd the primary way for installation, so there'll be users who think it's the same for openSUSE. (again, not saying beagle should be on the livecd, just disagreeing with your argument; my argument is that languages are more important than beagle) Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Content-ID: <alpine.LSU.2.00.0904200415200.5164@nimrodel.valinor> On Saturday, 2009-04-18 at 11:00 +0200, Vincent Untz wrote:
Le vendredi 17 avril 2009, à 00:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. a écrit :
On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 21:09 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
On Thursday 16 April 2009 15:36:41 Carlos E. R. wrote:
Wish? Specialized CD images... ;-) Why does anyone make this a "what I always wanted to say about CDs" thread?
You asked what we would like on the cd... O:-)
You forgot the context... Stephan pointed out we have a bit more space on livecd now, so he proposed specific things we could add to the current livecd. He didn't ask "what kind of livecd should we have?"
(not saying your idea is bad -- it's just off-topic for the original question)
Ok, but I also answered the original question, what to add on that space on the CD. ...
Other distributions are making their livecd the primary way for installation, so there'll be users who think it's the same for openSUSE.
(again, not saying beagle should be on the livecd, just disagreeing with your argument; my argument is that languages are more important than beagle)
And mine too. Perhaps you two missed that part of my reply, I'll copy it here: ] For the standard CD, I'd vote for languages first, then perhaps java and ] flash for full browsing. Beagle certainly not (what for? it is a R/O ] filesystem) Does this clarify my reply? I recogn I sidetracked a bit with the suggestion of also adding specialised CDs, as a rescue one (a suggestion someone else also did), but I also replied the specific question of what to add :-) - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.9 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAknr25kACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Wh5QCfVqjQa4wwP+lNe4ePcmnFHGf5 8R0An1CgwXS1r6Gr21KepcP2RDvBlhqf =SZcv -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
On Fri, 2009-04-17 at 00:56 +0200, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Thursday, 2009-04-16 at 21:09 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Well, the live cd is r/o, but it's installable
Yes, but probably a small install, or for evaluation: beagle is not really needed there; and it can be installed from internet, as many other interesting packages
Anyway, remember that beagle is conflictive, better leave it out ;-)
Although I do install with the DVD, and not the Live CD, most new users coming to Linux are probably going to want to use Live CDs (the only exceptions might be openSUSE Retail Edition users), since it gives them a chance to test the system and use it. And I wouldn't say that we should leave Beagle out at all. Perhaps turn it off be default (so upon first time doing a search in the Computer or Kickoff menu, it asks you if you'd like to turn on Desktop Search) as to calm the "Beagle... it's killing my computer!" crowd that seem to have problems with it. It's already in the current Live CD install, so why take it out? -- Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy openSUSE Member www.twitter.com/KevinDupuy -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 April 2009 07:13:13 pm Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy wrote: ...
And I wouldn't say that we should leave Beagle out at all. Perhaps turn it off be default (so upon first time doing a search in the Computer or Kickoff menu, it asks you if you'd like to turn on Desktop Search) as to calm the "Beagle... it's killing my computer!" crowd that seem to have problems with it. It's already in the current Live CD install, so why take it out?
It would be wise not to let run strigi and beagle at the same time. Even if you want desktop search you don't want 2 to compete for disk IO. So, idea would be to ask user: "Do you want desktop search?" With desktop search it is hard to forget where is some email that you know only what was discussed in, or web page that you only know what was mentioned on it. Even chat on AIM that was half year ago, and has log will be at your disposal. "Do you want to connect to other computers?" You can print, listen music, watch video, or retouch family photos with a family sitting on another computer. "Do you want network sound?" (PulseAudio) PulseAudio is new, still somewhat experimental program that allow you to listen music in your home network on any computer. Many mistakes that are done in previous releases was attempt to read a crystal ball, instead of user answers. Above sample questions are still somewhat geeky, but reformulating them, or better giving definitions and examples can make difference between system designed "for geeks" and "for aunt Mildred". Besides to establish workflow based on questions: - gives smaller number of configurations to test and support - users without coding knowledge can be involved in design - geeks can get working base system that they can expand with their options Does this sound as a good idea? -- Regards, Rajko http://news.opensuse.org/category/people-of-opensuse/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rajko M. a écrit :
Many mistakes that are done in previous releases was attempt to read a crystal ball
or same than for install config: choice between "automated" and "guided" jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 16:06:39 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from
1. KTorrent (for KDE Live-CD) 2. OpenOffice.org/KDE (for KDE Live-CD) if Fate#304879 is not happening 2. Gimp 3. local printing 4. more language support About 4), could CD grub menu indicate what language support is really on it?
And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. This is actually my preferred solution - as I see the live cd use case (smaller download) more visible in countries that speak languages other languages
What about better German interface translations (MozillaFirefox-translations, mozilla-xulrunner-translations, OOo-l10n-de [no OOO-thesaurus or OOO-help])? And I would argue that aspell dictionaries don't have to be on Live-CD. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Saturday 18 April 2009 09:23:31 Stephan Binner wrote:
2. OpenOffice.org/KDE (for KDE Live-CD) if Fate#304879 is not happening
That should read "independ if" - without it would be bigger of course. Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Samstag 18 April 2009 schrieb Stephan Binner:
On Wednesday 15 April 2009 16:06:39 Stephan Kulow wrote:
Open requests are basically everything installed by the DVD and is not from
1. KTorrent (for KDE Live-CD) I don't see the use case.
2. OpenOffice.org/KDE (for KDE Live-CD) if Fate#304879 is not happening KDE3? Too large
2. Gimp I'm considering it as my current wish list is empty and there is still room.
3. local printing 4. more language support
About 4), could CD grub menu indicate what language support is really on it? I don't think so.
And there is the request to include more languages on the livecd. This is actually my preferred solution - as I see the live cd use case (smaller download) more visible in countries that speak languages other languages
What about better German interface translations (MozillaFirefox-translations, mozilla-xulrunner-translations, OOo-l10n-de [no OOO-thesaurus or OOO-help])? Mozilla sounds like a good idea, OOo I would like to push into an online update.
And I would argue that aspell dictionaries don't have to be on Live-CD.
I considered it, but they were not really large. Easy to kill if I need a little room :) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Mozilla sounds like a good idea, OOo I would like to push into an online update.
as of ozilla, I noticed Puppy Linux (<100Mb live) used seamonkey, that is much smaller for same result just an idea. and digikam is good (it was, hope it will stay), because there is no replacement for it and now only live dvd have it (on other distros) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
jdd schrieb:
Stephan Kulow a écrit :
Mozilla sounds like a good idea, OOo I would like to push into an online update.
as of ozilla, I noticed Puppy Linux (<100Mb live) used seamonkey, that is much smaller for same result
How is it much smaller? My sizes are taken from 11.1-x86_64. seamonkey2 (which is most likely on 11.2): Size : 36089636 without translations mozilla-xulrunner191+ mozilla-xulrunner191-gnomevfs + MozillaFirefox: Size : 26403232 Size : 95576 Size : 3424879 Sum: : 29923687 -> Firefox 3.5 is smaller than seamonkey 2.0 Some details. SeaMonkey 2.0 has mail completely packaged and not as subpackage how seamonkey (1.x) currently is. All packages above contain no locales but en-US. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer a écrit :
Some details. SeaMonkey 2.0 has mail completely packaged
yes, and html editor, so only once the library jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://news.opensuse.org/2009/04/13/people-of-opensuse-jean-daniel-dodin/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 April 2009 14:56:54 Stephan Kulow wrote:
1. KTorrent (for KDE Live-CD) I don't see the use case.
Same use case as for torrent client on GNOME Live-CD? ;-)
2. OpenOffice.org/KDE (for KDE Live-CD) if Fate#304879 is not happening KDE3? Too large
I think it could fit. Of course I would prefer Novell working on KDE4 port.
What about better [..] interface translations [..] OOo-l10n-de OOo I would like to push into an online update.
I think it would fit too for the currently contained languages :-)... Milestone 1 CD: zypper in --no-recommends download sizes gimp (GNOME Live-CD) 11.3 MB gimp (KDE Live-CD) 23.4 MB ktorrent (KDE Live-CD) 2.2 MB OpenOffice_org-l10n-de 2.1 MB OpenOffice_org-l10n-es 2.1 MB OpenOffice_org-l10n-ru 2.2 MB OpenOffice_org-l10n-it 2.1 MB OpenOffice_org-l10n-pl 2.1 MB OpenOffice_org-l10n-fr 2.1 MB OpenOffice_org-kde (KDE) 15.6 MB KDE += 53.9 MB (currently 614 MB) GNOME += 24.0 MB (currently 655 MB) Bye, Steve -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Please, add alsa-firmware it is required by some sound cards to work properly. See bnc#396109 for more details. -- Best Regards Ladislav Slezák Yast Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: lslezak@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Monday 20 April 2009 17:27:07 Ladislav Slezak wrote:
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Please, add
alsa-firmware
it is required by some sound cards to work properly. See bnc#396109 for more details.
That's a 11.0 bug and the bug is open because alsa-firmware is supposed to be split. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow napsal(a):
On Monday 20 April 2009 17:27:07 Ladislav Slezak wrote:
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add. Please, add
alsa-firmware
it is required by some sound cards to work properly. See bnc#396109 for more details.
That's a 11.0 bug and the bug is open because alsa-firmware is supposed to be split.
The split was planned because of the lack of space on live CDs, but if 11.2 will be compressed much better we could add full alsa-firmware package without split. It's quite small, about 7MB unpacked and the RPM has about 2MB. Thank you. -- Best Regards Ladislav Slezák Yast Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: lslezak@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Dienstag 21 April 2009 schrieb Ladislav Slezak:
Stephan Kulow napsal(a):
On Monday 20 April 2009 17:27:07 Ladislav Slezak wrote:
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Please, add
alsa-firmware
it is required by some sound cards to work properly. See bnc#396109 for more details.
That's a 11.0 bug and the bug is open because alsa-firmware is supposed to be split.
The split was planned because of the lack of space on live CDs, but if 11.2 will be compressed much better we could add full alsa-firmware package without split. It's quite small, about 7MB unpacked and the RPM has about 2MB.
11.2 compresses better than 11.1, but hardly better than the RPMs. So 2MB are ~2MB. But as I said: it's already on the live cd of 11.0 and 11.1 Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Ladislav Slezak wrote:
Stephan Kulow wrote:
So I ask: what do you think I should add.
Please, add
alsa-firmware
it is required by some sound cards to work properly. See bnc#396109 for more details.
--
Best Regards
Ladislav Slezák Yast Developer ------------------------------------------------------------------------ SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: lslezak@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 960 190 00 Prague 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/
Strangely, I hit this problem this evening with a EMU-0404 PCI card added in after a new x86_64 11.1 install and update to factory. I didn't see the problem with another box on 11.2 Alpha0 x86_64 when I added it. dmesg said:- ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:874: emu1010: Loading Firmware file emu/emu0404.fw failed Went googling for emu0404.fw and found http://www.novell.com/products/linuxpackages/desktop11/i386/alsa-firmware.ht... Just chanced my arm with "zypper in alsa-firmware" and success. # rmmod snd-emu10k1 # modprobe snd-emu10k1 EMU10K1_Audigy 0000:01:08.0: PCI INT A -> Link[APC1] -> GSI 16 (level, low) -> IRQ 16 ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:811: emu1010: Special config. ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:850: emu1010: EMU_HANA_ID = 0x3f ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:869: emu1010: filename emu/emu0404.fw testing EMU10K1_Audigy 0000:01:08.0: firmware: requesting emu/emu0404.fw ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:674: firmware size = 0xd67c ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:886: emu1010: Hana Firmware loaded ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:889: emu1010: Hana version: 1.1 ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:894: emu1010: Card options = 0x1 ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:896: emu1010: Card options = 0x1 ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:935: emu1010: Card options3 = 0x1 ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emu10k1_main.c:219: Audigy2 value: Special config. ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emufx.c:1522: EMU outputs on ALSA sound/pci/emu10k1/emufx.c:1570: EMU2 inputs on Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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