[opensuse-factory] Status: Distribution
Hi, While factory has a lot of broken packages, it doesn't look too bad for the beta to be released, BUT the build service has major performance problems for a while now and it seems to become worse and worse every day ;( So I can't even foresee when we can have images to test - and as a reminder: this comes before the fixing, which comes before the releasing. So this is my top priority right now: finding the problem with the build service or at least work around it as good as we can. On unrelated news: Raymond is confident enough to made plymouth the default, so we'll have that for the Beta - and kernel 3.4 made it! :) Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2012/05/22 10:56 (GMT+0200) Stephan Kulow composed:
While factory has a lot of broken packages, it doesn't look too bad for the beta to be released, BUT the build service has major performance problems for a while now and it seems to become worse and worse every day ;(
So I can't even foresee when we can have images to test - and as a reminder: this comes before the fixing, which comes before the releasing. So this is my top priority right now: finding the problem with the build service or at least work around it as good as we can.
On unrelated news: Raymond is confident enough to made plymouth the default, so we'll have that for the Beta - and kernel 3.4 made it! :)
Who could install it? https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759598 https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=762717 -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow schrieb:
While factory has a lot of broken packages, it doesn't look too bad for the beta to be released
The one thing that worries me is the ongoing problems with YaST, esp. the dependency resolution dialog crashing the package manager, see the recent few comments on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759433 - if that happens for a significant amount of people and on the beta images as well, it sounds quite suboptimal. Robert Kaiser -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tuesday, May 22, 2012 12:28:22 Robert Kaiser wrote:
Stephan Kulow schrieb:
While factory has a lot of broken packages, it doesn't look too bad for the beta to be released
The one thing that worries me is the ongoing problems with YaST, esp. the dependency resolution dialog crashing the package manager, see the recent few comments on https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=759433 - if that happens for a significant amount of people and on the beta images as well, it sounds quite suboptimal.
I did yesterday an install via NET ISO for x86-64 and didn't have these problems, it worked for me (TM;), Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger aj@{suse.com,opensuse.org} Twitter/Identica: jaegerandi SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn,Jennifer Guild,Felix Imendörffer,HRB16746 (AG Nürnberg) GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Stephan Kulow
While factory has a lot of broken packages, it doesn't look too bad for the beta to be released, BUT the build service has major performance problems for a while now and it seems to become worse and worse every day ;(
Almost every time I check the monitor and see workers on the red, they're ARM builds. I would posit that qemu-based cross builds are way too slow. Perhaps some percent of workers should be dedicated to non-ARM builds to make sure things don't stall in case ARM builds take over. Or, perhaps, doing that only when approacing a milestone release. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 22.05.2012 18:54, schrieb Claudio Freire:
Almost every time I check the monitor and see workers on the red, they're ARM builds.
AFAICT the problem is not a lack of workers. There are always lots of workers idle. There's something wrong with the scheduler and friends, I'd guess. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:40 PM, Stefan Seyfried
Almost every time I check the monitor and see workers on the red, they're ARM builds.
AFAICT the problem is not a lack of workers. There are always lots of workers idle. There's something wrong with the scheduler and friends, I'd guess.
Other than during bootstrapping, I've never seen a large number of idle workers. Bootstrapping is a pain though, especially since it usually involves very long (hours long) builds like glibc. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 22.05.2012 19:43, schrieb Claudio Freire:
Other than during bootstrapping, I've never seen a large number of idle workers.
Then it must be bootstrapping right now *for some days*. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 5:56 AM, Stephan Kulow
wrote: While factory has a lot of broken packages, it doesn't look too bad for the beta to be released, BUT the build service has major performance problems for a while now and it seems to become worse and worse every day ;(
Almost every time I check the monitor and see workers on the red, they're ARM builds.
I would posit that qemu-based cross builds are way too slow. Perhaps some percent of workers should be dedicated to non-ARM builds to make sure things don't stall in case ARM builds take over. Or, perhaps, doing that only when approacing a milestone release.
Have you ever seen ARM builds even coming close to fill the full farm? The dispatcher has a pretty nifty algorithm to distribute the worker slots between repositories. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Stephan Kulow
Have you ever seen ARM builds even coming close to fill the full farm? The dispatcher has a pretty nifty algorithm to distribute the worker slots between repositories.
Not the full farm, but I've seen one case in which it killed an entire build host (ie, the group of workers under buildnn for some nn I can't remember) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:51 PM, Claudio Freire
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Stephan Kulow
wrote: Have you ever seen ARM builds even coming close to fill the full farm? The dispatcher has a pretty nifty algorithm to distribute the worker slots between repositories.
Not the full farm, but I've seen one case in which it killed an entire build host (ie, the group of workers under buildnn for some nn I can't remember)
And, in general, in whichever build host that hosts an ARM build, I can somehow notice other build tasks taking longer than usual. Like it degrades the whole host's performance. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:49 PM, Stephan Kulow
wrote: Have you ever seen ARM builds even coming close to fill the full farm? The dispatcher has a pretty nifty algorithm to distribute the worker slots between repositories.
Not the full farm, but I've seen one case in which it killed an entire build host (ie, the group of workers under buildnn for some nn I can't remember)
Hi, Every build run in a VM on its own, so if the build host was dead, it was very likely not ARM's fault Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, May 22, 2012 at 2:52 PM, Stephan Kulow
Every build run in a VM on its own, so if the build host was dead, it was very likely not ARM's fault
Greetings, Stephan
I don't know exactly what happened to that host that time, of course, but I would theorize that the high load made it unresponsive. I don't have concrete numbers or clear evidence of blame. I just tend to watch the monitoring page, and I got the distinct feeling that wherever ARM builds where, performance was often degraded. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
participants (6)
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Andreas Jaeger
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Claudio Freire
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Felix Miata
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Robert Kaiser
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Stefan Seyfried
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Stephan Kulow