Hi .. Well bit the bullet donwn loaded 11.0b1 and installed on a spare drive on the laptop "Compaq V5030 64 bit amd ati m200 graphics "hate it but " ALI sound " installe went well found and correctly set the display sound network well almost it keeps finding the wrong driver for the network card rtl 8139 , think thqt is a caseof blacklisting the wrong module so it only loads the correct one . Now as a lot of you will know from previous posts i dislike KDE4 but thought i would give it another look well my opinion has not changed at all still ages away from ready and not at all useble far too many issues so went back to KDE3 (installed both 3 and 4 at the time of install ) and was forced to accept the bulk of gnome (got Gno time for it at all rather have the old OLVWM back) ran KDE3 did what i need to thought i would go back to KDE4 see if i could get it to at least start behasving correctly but it would not even start the screen just goes black with a mouse cursor on it but noting else at all no errors in the X logs the only way out is got to a text consel and init 3 init 5 back to normality this happens every time i try 4 now and i did not even try messing cause it did not start any thing springs to mind out there or is 4 going to remain bin fodder .. # Pete . -- SuSE Linux 10.3-Alpha3. (Linux is like a wigwam - no Gates, no Windows, and an Apache inside.) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org