Re: [opensuse-factory] Can no longer access pipe on cli
On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:25:02 BST Daniel Morris wrote:
Have you tried the pipe on the key between Shift & Z? (ie Shift \)?
Sorry, I sort of touchtype, so not sure the last time I looked down, but my muscle memory uses the lower key and don't think the one next to the 1 key has ever "worked" for me.
Daniel
Damn... yes, that works perfectly - thanks -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20181012 Qt: 5.11.2 KDE Frameworks: 5.50.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.14.0 - kwin 5.14.0 kmail2 5.9.1 - akonadiserver 5.9.1 - Kernel: 4.18.12-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 04:46:54PM +0100, Ianseeks wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:25:02 BST Daniel Morris wrote:
Have you tried the pipe on the key between Shift & Z? (ie Shift \)?
Sorry, I sort of touchtype, so not sure the last time I looked down, but my muscle memory uses the lower key and don't think the one next to the 1 key has ever "worked" for me.
Daniel
Damn... yes, that works perfectly - thanks
Looking down, Alt Gr (the Alt to the right of the space bar) activates the pipe on that key for me. I've just reasoned that by noticing the three marks on the 4 key, and thinking how I create € symbols for EUR currency. If you keep going along the row with that modifier there are cute surprises with superscripted powers and logical 5/10 & 6/8 fractions too. Daniel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 17 October 2018 12:37:03 BST Daniel Morris wrote:
On Tue, Oct 16, 2018 at 04:46:54PM +0100, Ianseeks wrote:
On Tuesday, 16 October 2018 15:25:02 BST Daniel Morris wrote:
Have you tried the pipe on the key between Shift & Z? (ie Shift \)?
Sorry, I sort of touchtype, so not sure the last time I looked down, but my muscle memory uses the lower key and don't think the one next to the 1 key has ever "worked" for me.
Daniel
Damn... yes, that works perfectly - thanks
Looking down, Alt Gr (the Alt to the right of the space bar) activates the pipe on that key for me. I've just reasoned that by noticing the three marks on the 4 key, and thinking how I create € symbols for EUR currency. If you keep going along the row with that modifier there are cute surprises with superscripted powers and logical 5/10 & 6/8 fractions too.
Daniel
Great, thanks for the info. I never knew what to use the <Alt Gr> key for before - it also gives me the pipe on that key i was trying yesterday. -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20181012 Qt: 5.11.2 KDE Frameworks: 5.50.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.14.0 - kwin 5.14.0 kmail2 5.9.1 - akonadiserver 5.9.1 - Kernel: 4.18.12-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/10/2018 13:42, Ianseeks wrote:
Great, thanks for the info. I never knew what to use the <Alt Gr> key for before - it also gives me the pipe on that key i was trying yesterday.
I assign it to Compose, myself. That is _very_ useful and makes it easy to type loads of useful characters, from ½ and ⅓ and ¾ to ¢ and ¥ and ł and so on. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Op woensdag 17 oktober 2018 16:01:56 CEST schreef Liam Proven:
On 17/10/2018 13:42, Ianseeks wrote:
Great, thanks for the info. I never knew what to use the <Alt Gr> key for before - it also gives me the pipe on that key i was trying yesterday. I assign it to Compose, myself. That is _very_ useful and makes it easy to type loads of useful characters, from ½ and ⅓ and ¾ to ¢ and ¥ and ł and so on. Same here, and have been doing so for ages: AltGr " a => ä AltGr = c => € AltGr = L => ₤ AltGr CCCP => ☭ :D AltGr # E => ♫
An overview of all options: https://cgit.freedesktop.org/xorg/lib/libX11/plain/nls/en_US.UTF-8/Compose.p... -- Gertjan Lettink a.k.a. Knurpht openSUSE Board Member openSUSE Forums Team -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Okt 17 2018, Liam Proven <lproven@suse.cz> wrote:
On 17/10/2018 13:42, Ianseeks wrote:
Great, thanks for the info. I never knew what to use the <Alt Gr> key for before - it also gives me the pipe on that key i was trying yesterday.
I assign it to Compose, myself.
Or put it on S-RCtrl, so you have them both. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/10/2018 17:05, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Or put it on S-RCtrl, so you have them both.
No, thanks. I use my right control key as a control key, notably for Ctrl-End, Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn. Whereas AltGr has no general use for me, with a UK keyboard layout. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2018 11:06 AM, Liam Proven wrote:
Whereas AltGr has no general use for me, with a UK keyboard layout.
What about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#United_Kingdom_(Extended)_Layout -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/10/2018 17:12, James Knott wrote:
What about this? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#United_Kingdom_(Extended)_Layout
Never really saw much need for it. With a Compose key, you don't need those special keystrokes -- I can enter them all in a moment anyway. And personally I find the Compose shortcuts much easier to remember. E.g. # for tilde? What on Earth? I have a tilde key! It makes, shock horror, a tilde: ~ So compose, tilde, n is ñ and compose, tilde, N is Ñ, in case I feel like typing mañana or cañon. C for cedilla? Then you need to remember what a cedilla is called, which I will bet many people don't. (Or a tilde, which I've often heard called a "squiggle".) Whereas a comma *looks like* a cedilla, so ç is just compose, comma, c. Backtick is grave: compose, `, a is à. Ordinary apostrophe is an acute: compose, ', a is á. As I live in Czechia, it's also useful for things like, well, the name of the street with SUSE's office -- Křižíkova. compose, <, r = ř compose, <, z = ž compose, ', i = í And it works exactly the same on any layout, from Azerbaijani to Zulu. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Okt 17 2018, Liam Proven <lproven@suse.cz> wrote:
On 17/10/2018 17:05, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Or put it on S-RCtrl, so you have them both.
No, thanks. I use my right control key as a control key, notably for Ctrl-End, Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn.
You can continue to do that, of course. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 17/10/2018 17:32, Andreas Schwab wrote:
On Okt 17 2018, Liam Proven <lproven@suse.cz> wrote:
On 17/10/2018 17:05, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Or put it on S-RCtrl, so you have them both.
No, thanks. I use my right control key as a control key, notably for Ctrl-End, Ctrl-Home, Ctrl-PgUp, Ctrl-PgDn.
You can continue to do that, of course.
OK, fair enough, but I suspect it would regularly confuse me - a hesitant pre-keystroke tap would turn on something different. As I said, I don't normally use AltGr, because not all programs treat it as another Alt key. Similarly, I don't use Caps Lock much, so I remap it to the Super (i.e. Windows) key. I favour original 1980s/1990s IBM clicky keyboards and they don't have Windows keys. -- Liam Proven - Technical Writer, SUSE Linux s.r.o. Corso II, Křižíkova 148/34, 186-00 Praha 8 - Karlín, Czechia Email: lproven@suse.com - Office telephone: +420 284 241 084 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 17 October 2018 15:01:56 BST Liam Proven wrote:
On 17/10/2018 13:42, Ianseeks wrote:
Great, thanks for the info. I never knew what to use the <Alt Gr> key for before - it also gives me the pipe on that key i was trying yesterday.
I assign it to Compose, myself. That is _very_ useful and makes it easy to type loads of useful characters, from ½ and ⅓ and ¾ to ¢ and ¥ and ł and so on.
Cheers Liam. I'll have to play around with it -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20181012 Qt: 5.11.2 KDE Frameworks: 5.50.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.14.0 - kwin 5.14.0 kmail2 5.9.1 - akonadiserver 5.9.1 - Kernel: 4.18.12-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/17/2018 07:42 AM, Ianseeks wrote:
Great, thanks for the info. I never knew what to use the <Alt Gr> key for before
I have my keyboards configured to use U.S International English, where I can use that key to get several other symbols. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/QWERTY#US-International -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday, 17 October 2018 16:09:53 BST James Knott wrote:
On 10/17/2018 07:42 AM, Ianseeks wrote:
Great, thanks for the info. I never knew what to use the <Alt Gr> key for before
I have my keyboards configured to use U.S International English, where I can use that key to get several other symbols.
Thanks. i'll have to see how i can best use it now. -- opensuse:tumbleweed:20181012 Qt: 5.11.2 KDE Frameworks: 5.50.0 - KDE Plasma: 5.14.0 - kwin 5.14.0 kmail2 5.9.1 - akonadiserver 5.9.1 - Kernel: 4.18.12-1-default - xf86-video-nouveau: 1.0.15 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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