[opensuse-factory] Please Ristretto back instead of Gimp for opening images from browser in 11.2
Hi, Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;) (gimp takes ages to load, cluttering the screen with unnessesary windows...) I guess you all know that, and it wil be build problems or something, and it will be back soon? -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball wrote:
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;)
Or perhaps just view the picture in the browser? /Per Jessen, Zürich -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Per Jessen schreef:
Oddball wrote:
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;)
Or perhaps just view the picture in the browser?
/Per Jessen, Zürich
even better, but if you are asked to choose another program, they send you to your /home directory..., not very bright.. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Le vendredi 27 mars 2009, à 10:05 +0100, Oddball a écrit :
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;) (gimp takes ages to load, cluttering the screen with unnessesary windows...) I guess you all know that, and it wil be build problems or something, and it will be back soon?
For which desktop? In GNOME, as far as I can tell, eog is used by default, and not gimp. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Vincent Untz schreef:
Le vendredi 27 mars 2009, à 10:05 +0100, Oddball a écrit :
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;) (gimp takes ages to load, cluttering the screen with unnessesary windows...) I guess you all know that, and it wil be build problems or something, and it will be back soon?
For which desktop?
In GNOME, as far as I can tell, eog is used by default, and not gimp.
Vincent
If you'looked at the sig, you'd known it was:.... ? :) -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball, aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 103" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:37 +0100, Oddball wrote:
Vincent Untz schreef:
Le vendredi 27 mars 2009, à 10:05 +0100, Oddball a écrit :
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;) (gimp takes ages to load, cluttering the screen with unnessesary windows...) I guess you all know that, and it wil be build problems or something, and it will be back soon?
For which desktop?
In GNOME, as far as I can tell, eog is used by default, and not gimp.
Vincent
If you'looked at the sig, you'd known it was:.... ? :)
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Enjoy your time around,
Oddball, aka M9.
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Eye Of GNOME is the default image viewer for GNOME and there's no reason to replace it. If I remember correctly the default under KDE is Gwenview, and again it works fine (at least for me :) ). When complaining of an issue like this, please advise us on what your environment is - even if it means saying something like "please see sig for environment". Ristretto is actually an XFCE sub-project although as it is Gtk based it works seamlessly with GNOME. Why would you want a Gtk based app replace a Qt4 app in a KDE environment? Regards, Andy -- Andrew Wafaa, openSUSE Member: FunkyPenguin. openSUSE: Get It, Discover It, Create It at http://www.opensuse.org awafaa@opensuse.org | http://www.wafaa.eu -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andrew Wafaa schreef:
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 14:37 +0100, Oddball wrote:
Vincent Untz schreef:
Le vendredi 27 mars 2009, à 10:05 +0100, Oddball a écrit :
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;) (gimp takes ages to load, cluttering the screen with unnessesary windows...) I guess you all know that, and it wil be build problems or something, and it will be back soon?
For which desktop?
In GNOME, as far as I can tell, eog is used by default, and not gimp.
Vincent
If you'looked at the sig, you'd known it was:.... ? :)
--
Enjoy your time around,
Oddball, aka M9.
OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 103"
Eye Of GNOME is the default image viewer for GNOME and there's no reason to replace it. If I remember correctly the default under KDE is Gwenview, and again it works fine (at least for me :) ).
When complaining of an issue like this, please advise us on what your environment is - even if it means saying something like "please see sig for environment".
Ristretto is actually an XFCE sub-project although as it is Gtk based it works seamlessly with GNOME. Why would you want a Gtk based app replace a Qt4 app in a KDE environment?
Regards,
Andy
That i did not know, but explains why it is not choosen now: i did not install xfce yet...! I will try what happens when i install xfce.. Well, i would like a qt4 based app, if it works fine.. I never saw ristretto before my original and now, wrecked 11.2A0 install, which i replaced with the last netinstall snapshot. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
The Problem with GIMP is a Firefox problem - because it is set in Firefox as default. The KDE settings ave no effect. firefox values its on settings above the KDE4 ones. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stefan Kunze schrieb:
The Problem with GIMP is a Firefox problem - because it is set in Firefox as default. The KDE settings ave no effect. firefox values its on settings above the KDE4 ones.
Since people are claiming too often that it is a Firefox problem and it isn't in most cases: Please give exact examples with detailed files and mime-types using a public URL what can be used to reproduce. I'll help people to find out why Firefox chooses the apps. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer <wolfgang@rosenauer.org> 3/30/2009 5:58 PM >>> Stefan Kunze schrieb: The Problem with GIMP is a Firefox problem - because it is set in Firefox as default. The KDE settings ave no effect. firefox values its on settings above the KDE4 ones.
Since people are claiming too often that it is a Firefox problem and it isn't in most cases: Please give exact examples with detailed files and mime-types using a public URL what can be used to reproduce. I'll help people to find out why Firefox chooses the apps. Wolfgang
Hi Wolfgang, i will see what i can find. But i had the problem as well and i searched for ages in the KDE4 Systemsettings where GIMP was not even mentioned. But i needed to change it in the Firefox Preferences before it actually worked. it still ignores the KDE4 Settings and only follows its own. And to open a .pdf with GIMP is just a stupid default because there are much better Applications out ther (Evince for example - if i want to go to the GNOME Side of Apps) At the moment i have no URL available but i will see if i can reproduce on my Factoryinstall where i havent changed anyting yet. Stefan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stefan Kunze schrieb:
Please give exact examples with detailed files and mime-types using a public URL what can be used to reproduce. I'll help people to find out why Firefox chooses the apps.
Wolfgang
Hi Wolfgang, i will see what i can find. But i had the problem as well and i searched for ages in the KDE4 Systemsettings where GIMP was not even mentioned. But i needed to change it in the Firefox Preferences before it actually worked. it still ignores the KDE4 Settings and only follows its own.
And to open a .pdf with GIMP is just a stupid default because there are much better Applications out ther (Evince for example - if i want to go to the GNOME Side of Apps)
At the moment i have no URL available but i will see if i can reproduce on my Factoryinstall where i havent changed anyting yet.
Yes, it's true that Firefox doesn't obey KDE settings. That doesn't mean it uses its own usually but it uses gnome-vfs which in turn uses shared-mime-info and desktop files which is a freedesktop standard, isn't it? It's also using global and user mime-types and mailcap. So it's not like Firefox wouldn't integrate into Linux. It's not integrating into KDE though. If you got an example please throw it on me. In the past quite some of the cases where Firefox offered a really strange app it was for example because of the good apps didn't have the correct mime-type in its desktop file. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:
If you got an example please throw it on me. In the past quite some of the cases where Firefox offered a really strange app it was for example because of the good apps didn't have the correct mime-type in its desktop file.
Wolfgang
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476366#c11 for a png. http://www.pdatotaal.info/forum/showthread.php?t=11730 for a pdf file. I use standard factory, at this PC. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball schreef:
Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:
If you got an example please throw it on me. In the past quite some of the cases where Firefox offered a really strange app it was for example because of the good apps didn't have the correct mime-type in its desktop file.
Wolfgang
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476366#c11 for a png.
http://www.pdatotaal.info/forum/showthread.php?t=11730 for a pdf file.
I use standard factory, at this PC.
Sorry, must be: ttps://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476366#c1 -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, Oddball schrieb:
Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:
If you got an example please throw it on me. In the past quite some of the cases where Firefox offered a really strange app it was for example because of the good apps didn't have the correct mime-type in its desktop file.
https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=476366#c11 for a png.
http://www.pdatotaal.info/forum/showthread.php?t=11730 for a pdf file.
I use standard factory, at this PC.
I'm using 11.1 but get the same result. Ok, let me explain why that happens to you (most likely). Firefox is using gnome-vfs so gnome-vfs prefers Gnome and Gtk apps by default (which makes kind of sense). And you (see below) have most likely no other Gnome/Gtk application installed which supports image/png. So yes, the behaviour is not optimal especially for KDE users. I'm wondering if it's possible to have some kind of "KDE mode" (if Gnome is not installed at all) of the gnome_defaults.conf/glib2/defaults.list mechanism which doesn't prefer Gnome and Gtk apps? I also attached a tiny executable (not harmful ;-)) built for x86-64 which gives you some idea about the gnome-vfs/share-mime-info config on your machine. Just run it and show us the output. Wolfgang
Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:
I also attached a tiny executable (not harmful ;-)) built for x86-64 which gives you some idea about the gnome-vfs/share-mime-info config on your machine. Just run it and show us the output.
Wolfgang
Ok, will do asap.. -- Have a nice day ;) Oddball aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-pae i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EEEPC-901-ROB Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (i586) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 4.9" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball schreef:
Wolfgang Rosenauer schreef:
I also attached a tiny executable (not harmful ;-)) built for x86-64 which gives you some idea about the gnome-vfs/share-mime-info config on your machine. Just run it and show us the output.
Wolfgang
Ok, will do asap..
AMD64x2-sfn1:/home/oddball # /home/oddball/gnome-vfs Searching default handler for image/png: gimp-2.6 List of all registered handlers for image/png: gimp-2.6 gwenview okular showfoto %i -caption "%c" AMD64x2-sfn1:/home/oddball # -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Oddball schrieb:
AMD64x2-sfn1:/home/oddball # /home/oddball/gnome-vfs Searching default handler for image/png: gimp-2.6
List of all registered handlers for image/png: gimp-2.6 gwenview okular showfoto %i -caption "%c" AMD64x2-sfn1:/home/oddball #
As expected: Gimp is the only Gtk app in that list and therefore prefered. Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:
Ok, let me explain why that happens to you (most likely). Firefox is using gnome-vfs so gnome-vfs prefers Gnome and Gtk apps by default (which makes kind of sense). And you (see below) have most likely no other Gnome/Gtk application installed which supports image/png. So yes, the behaviour is not optimal especially for KDE users. I'm wondering if it's possible to have some kind of "KDE mode" (if Gnome is not installed at all) of the gnome_defaults.conf/glib2/defaults.list mechanism which doesn't prefer Gnome and Gtk apps?
Yes, the same problem was reported in bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456026 Here is my plan: - Drop SuSEconfig.glib2 as it exists just now (ugly bash script) - Write and upstream a new tool with configurable set of preferences. - Playing with XDG_* variables, force different defaults in gvfs and gnome-vfs applications in GNOME and KDE. - And finally, using one-time virtual symbol trigger feature in future versions of rpm call this script every time any desktop file is installed. As a backup solution (ugly, but less effort) would be modifying of existing SuSEconfig script and run it twice. As a temporary work-around, you can install and run nautilus, click to Properties of a particular file and configure application which you want. -- Best Regards / S pozdravem, Stanislav Brabec software developer --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s. r. o. e-mail: sbrabec@suse.cz Lihovarská 1060/12 tel: +420 284 028 966, +49 911 740538747 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 028 951 Czech Republic http://www.suse.cz/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Stanislav Brabec schreef:
Yes, the same problem was reported in bug: https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=456026
Here is my plan: - Drop SuSEconfig.glib2 as it exists just now (ugly bash script)
- Write and upstream a new tool with configurable set of preferences.
- Playing with XDG_* variables, force different defaults in gvfs and gnome-vfs applications in GNOME and KDE.
- And finally, using one-time virtual symbol trigger feature in future versions of rpm call this script every time any desktop file is installed.
As a backup solution (ugly, but less effort) would be modifying of existing SuSEconfig script and run it twice.
As a temporary work-around, you can install and run nautilus, click to Properties of a particular file and configure application which you want.
:) -- Have a nice day ;) Oddball aka M9. OS: Linux 2.6.27.19-3.2-pae i686 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@EEEPC-901-ROB Systeem: openSUSE 11.1 (i586) KDE: 4.1.3 (KDE 4.1.3) "release 75.3" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 10:05 +0100, Oddball wrote:
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;) (gimp takes ages to load, cluttering the screen with unnessesary windows...) I guess you all know that, and it wil be build problems or something, and it will be back soon?
Hrm... if opening a picture takes you to GIMP, then that sounds like a problem to me. Did you accidentally change what opens when you click on a picture? I know that KDE doesn't use The GIMP for photo viewing. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy a écrit :
Hrm... if opening a picture takes you to GIMP, then that sounds like a problem to me. Did you accidentally change what opens when you click on a picture? I know that KDE doesn't use The GIMP for photo viewing.
when one add a link to a new app for an extension, it becomes the favorite one (bad idea, but very old) may be the OP did add Gimp like this jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://valerie.dodin.org http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t-eic8MSSfM http://www.facebook.com/profile.php?id=1412160445 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Kevin "Yeaux" Dupuy schreef:
On Fri, 2009-03-27 at 10:05 +0100, Oddball wrote:
Hi,
Ristretto is just plain, simple, scalable, simple zoomable, and for all very fast. Gimp is like opening photoshop to vieuw one picture... To vieuw a pic, you need a vieuwer, not a manipulator.. ;) (gimp takes ages to load, cluttering the screen with unnessesary windows...) I guess you all know that, and it wil be build problems or something, and it will be back soon?
Hrm... if opening a picture takes you to GIMP, then that sounds like a problem to me. Did you accidentally change what opens when you click on a picture? I know that KDE doesn't use The GIMP for photo viewing.
No, i never change those settings. even for pdf files, the gimp is choosen... The factory update is a snapshot, called by the netinstall iso. -- Enjoy your time around, Oddball (M9.) (Now or never...) OS: Linux 2.6.29-rc8-5-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: oddball@AMD64x2-sfn1 Systeem: openSUSE 11.2 Alpha 0 (x86_64) KDE: 4.2.1 (KDE 4.2.1) "release 1" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Wolfgang Rosenauer