Am 26.08.2014 um 16:27 schrieb Mathias Homann:

Am 26.08.2014 09:52, schrieb Graham P Davis:

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NetworkManager worked first time with no bother but, for certain reasons, I prefer to use "ifup".

...why do we even need Yet Another Way To Mangle The Network Settings?

There is a video about it: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XUgmFyBe_9w Greetings, Stephan -- Ma muaß weiterkämpfen, kämpfen bis zum Umfalln, a wenn die ganze Welt an Arsch offen hat, oder grad deswegn. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:00:42 +1000 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

On 26/08/14 17:52, Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:15:58 +1000 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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I have counted up to 10 several times and now feel I am more or less composed enough to post this message concerning on how to set-up wi-fi in 13.2.

How the h*** is it done?!

For 13.1 I looked at the YouTube video on how to do this and had it working within 30 seconds. But in 13.2 I have now wasted an hour or so trying to figure out the mess which is 'networking'. And what the h*** is "wicked"?!

Is there some documentation on how to get wi-fi working in 13.2, please, or at least a hint on what to do to get my laptop's wi-fi configured?

I've tried using "wicked" with identical settings to what worked with "ifup" but have had no success. I've also tried as many variations as I could think of but still no joy.

NetworkManager worked first time with no bother but, for certain reasons, I prefer to use "ifup".

Thanks for the response.

I cannot get the NetworkManager working so I have to ask you - as I will also ask Neil: did you 'upgrade' to 13.2 Factory FROM a working copy of 13.1 or did you install 13.2 as a CLEAN, FRESH installation from, say, the ISO disc?

I made a clean installation from the x86_64 DVD iso using various snapshots up to 20140820. In each case, "wicked" refused to function but NetworkManager worked first time every time. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit); KDE 4.13.3; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.11.10; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nVidia driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 28/08/14 22:53, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Graham P Davis <hacker@scarlet-jade.com> [08-28-14 01:46]: [...]

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I made a clean installation from the x86_64 DVD iso using various snapshots up to 20140820. In each case, "wicked" refused to function but NetworkManager worked first time every time. And fwiw, I have *never* been able to get NM to work over the last several versions and have always been able to get ifup/down/config and now wicked to work. Go figure....

See my reply to Neil. There is a YouTube video on how to get wi-fi under NM working for 13.1. For 13.2 it is basically the same but one has to take into account that KDE 4.13.3 has caused some changes in the panel (the applet for NM seems to have disappeared - at least here it has :-) ) and that the Network Settings has been modified but still do the same job. If you want I can send you screen captures of what I have. BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.3 & kernel 3.16.1-6 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 00:48:48 +1000 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

On 28/08/14 22:53, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

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* Graham P Davis <hacker@scarlet-jade.com> [08-28-14 01:46]: [...]

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I made a clean installation from the x86_64 DVD iso using various snapshots up to 20140820. In each case, "wicked" refused to function but NetworkManager worked first time every time. And fwiw, I have *never* been able to get NM to work over the last several versions and have always been able to get ifup/down/config and now wicked to work. Go figure....

See my reply to Neil. There is a YouTube video on how to get wi-fi under NM working for 13.1. For 13.2 it is basically the same but one has to take into account that KDE 4.13.3 has caused some changes in the panel (the applet for NM seems to have disappeared - at least here it has :-) ) and that the Network Settings has been modified but still do the same job.

If you want I can send you screen captures of what I have.

If that's the 30-minute film then that's not what I want. I need a simple document that explains how to set up WICD. I assume that someone has updated the SDB document (https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Wicd) for 13.2 but, of course, has not yet made it generally available to the public. I've tried using the above documentation but many parts such as using "ifup" for example and also the commands near the bottom of the "usage" paragraph. Needless to say, I still couldn't get WICD to work after using this documentation. It's possible that I missed the references in the YaST help panels for 13.2 on how to proceed with setting this up but that's the first place where such documentation should be. Come to that, by selecting "wicked" in the YaST setup I would have expected the main settings to be correctly set automatically. -- Graham Davis, Bracknell, Berks. openSUSE 13.1 (64-bit); KDE 4.13.3; AMD Phenom II X2 550 Processor; Kernel: 3.11.10; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nVidia driver); Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thu, 04 Sep 2014 00:35:14 +1000
Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

> On 03/09/14 20:06, Graham P Davis wrote:
> > On Fri, 29 Aug 2014 00:48:48 +1000
> > Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:
> >
> >> On 28/08/14 22:53, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
> >>> * Graham P Davis <hacker@scarlet-jade.com> [08-28-14 01:46]:
> >>>    [...]
> >>>> I made a clean installation from the x86_64 DVD iso using various
> >>>> snapshots up to 20140820. In each case, "wicked" refused to
> >>>> function but NetworkManager worked first time every time.
> >>> And fwiw, I have *never* been able to get NM to work over the last
> >>> several versions and have always been able to get ifup/down/config
> >>> and now wicked to work.  Go figure....
> >> See my reply to Neil. There is a YouTube video on how to get wi-fi
> >> under NM working for 13.1. For 13.2 it is basically the same but
> >> one has to take into account that KDE 4.13.3 has caused some
> >> changes in the panel (the applet for NM seems to have disappeared
> >> - at least here it has :-) ) and that the Network Settings has
> >> been modified but still do the same job.
> >>
> >> If you want I can send you screen captures of what I have.
> >>
> > If that's the 30-minute film then that's not what I want.
> 
> 
> No, it's a 5 min video - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6YfnGxJM-lc
> 
> [pruned]
> 
> BC
> 

Thanks but, as I said, I have no trouble with NetworkManager. You might
think that should be enough for me but I'd like to find out why WICD
does not work for me. I'd also like to ensure that there is proper
documentation for all users on how to set up WICD before 13.2 is
released, especially as I read somewhere that WICD is intended to become
the one-and-only system for networking and will eventually replace
NetworkManager.

Here's the snipped part again:

I need a simple document that explains how to set up WICD. I assume
that someone has updated the SDB document
(https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Wicd) for 13.2 but, of course, has not yet
made it generally available to the public.

I've tried using the above documentation but many parts such as using
"ifup" for example and also the commands near the bottom of the "usage"
paragraph. Needless to say, I still couldn't get WICD to work after
using this documentation.

It's possible that I missed the references in the YaST help panels for
13.2 on how to proceed with setting this up but that's the first place
where such documentation should be. Come to that, by selecting "wicked"
in the YaST setup I would have expected the main settings to be
correctly set automatically.


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Kernel: 3.11.10; Video: nVidia GeForce 210 (using nVidia driver); 
Sound: ATI SBx00 Azalia (Intel HDA); Wireless: BCM4306
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On 28/08/14 15:44, Graham P Davis wrote:

On Thu, 28 Aug 2014 14:00:42 +1000 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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On 26/08/14 17:52, Graham P Davis wrote:

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:15:58 +1000 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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I have counted up to 10 several times and now feel I am more or less composed enough to post this message concerning on how to set-up wi-fi in 13.2.

How the h*** is it done?!

For 13.1 I looked at the YouTube video on how to do this and had it working within 30 seconds. But in 13.2 I have now wasted an hour or so trying to figure out the mess which is 'networking'. And what the h*** is "wicked"?!

Is there some documentation on how to get wi-fi working in 13.2, please, or at least a hint on what to do to get my laptop's wi-fi configured?

I've tried using "wicked" with identical settings to what worked with "ifup" but have had no success. I've also tried as many variations as I could think of but still no joy.

NetworkManager worked first time with no bother but, for certain reasons, I prefer to use "ifup". Thanks for the response.

I cannot get the NetworkManager working so I have to ask you - as I will also ask Neil: did you 'upgrade' to 13.2 Factory FROM a working copy of 13.1 or did you install 13.2 as a CLEAN, FRESH installation from, say, the ISO disc?

I made a clean installation from the x86_64 DVD iso using various snapshots up to 20140820. In each case, "wicked" refused to function but NetworkManager worked first time every time.

Thanks again for replying, Graham. Since posting the above I have had a change of fortunes in both 13.1 and 13.2 Factory :-) . A somewhat obtuse statement but let me explain by first talking about 13.1 and then about 13.2. I have both 13.1 and 13.2 installed on the laptop. I got Network Manager working on 13.1 as I mentioned already in another earlier post. But today I noticed that I had forgotten to upgrade KDE to 4.13.3 so I did the upgrade. This resulted in the wi-fi going belly up :-( . Working one moment with KDE 4.11.x but not working as soon as 4.13.3 was installed. So I went looking. What I found is that the applet for wi-fi in the (bottom) panel disappeared and, more importantly, for some reason the Network setting in YaST got screwed up and the Change Host via DHCP got itself deselected. After ticking this box the w-fi started to work again. And just on this point- when I boot up the laptop in 13.1 the wi-fi becomes active almost instantly, whereas in 13.2......... see below. Now re 13.2 Factory. Once again, the problem here lay with the Change Host via DHCP being unselected. Ticking this box got wi-fi working. However, on rebooting 13.2 the wi-fi was NOT working :-( . After some "fooling around" I had it working again mostly by blind luck I think because, as I said, the applet which was in 13.1 is not in 13.2 but by pressing something or another a menu similar to what is found in 13.1 appeared and I was able to type in (hex) password and this appears to have been saved somewhere because on the next reboot wi-fi was working ..... BUT, but it takes at least 1 minute+ to become active, ie actually find the router/modem, whereas in 13.1 this process is almost instantaneous. Don't know the reason for this delay but the good news is that wi-fi finally gets going :-) . * * * There is one more thing re above which caused me a bit of headache - but I now do not remember if it was in 13.1 or 13.2 Factory :-( . At some point after a reboot I couldn't get wi-fi to connect even though it was doing so a few minutes earlier, before the reboot, so I kept going into YaST to check the settings there. But every time I ran YaST I would get the message: WARNING! Network currently handled by Network Manager or completely disabled. YaST is unable to configure some options. Now, I thought to myself, what the h*** is the good of you, YaST, if you cannot configure the Network Manager?! Anyway, this is where I poked around to find where NM could be "activated" since the NM applet had disappeared. I did find the place - cannot remember where now :-( but I will find it if I have to - and what I found was that WEP password somehow dropped a character and this caused the WARNING! msg in YaST. As soon as I corrected the WEP password wi-fi became "activated". BC -- Using openSUSE 13.1, KDE 4.13.3 & kernel 3.16.1-6 on a system with- AMD FX 8-core 3.6/4.2GHz processor 16GB PC14900/1866MHz Quad Channel RAM Gigabyte AMD3+ m/board; Gigabyte nVidia GTX660 GPU -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 08/28/2014 10:41 AM, Basil Chupin wrote:

On 27/08/14 00:08, Neil Rickert wrote:

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On Tue, 26 Aug 2014 17:15:58 +1000 Basil Chupin <blchupin@iinet.net.au> wrote:

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For 13.1 I looked at the YouTube video on how to do this and had it working within 30 seconds. But in 13.2 I have now wasted an hour or so trying to figure out the mess which is 'networking'. And what the h*** is "wicked"?! As best I can tell, "wicked" is a daemon that supervises the network service. It seems to replace "ifup", but uses the "ifup" settings files.

I switched my laptop to "wicked" this morning, to see if there were problems.

Thanks for the response, Neil.

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Configuring the WiFi network was a breeze. The only problem was that it didn't work.

See my other reply to Graham. I got wi-fi using the Network Manager working - but not after a couple of hassles. As I mention, getting the Network Manager working for wi-fi under 13.1 took less than 30 seconds - which is what happened yesterday while I had the "virgin" 13.1 installed (on the laptop). However, when I upgraded KDE to 4.13.3 wi-fi went belly up. But I finally got it going.

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In Yast Network Settings, I clicked "Edit" for the WiFi device. Then I clicked the "General" tab. I switched "Activate Device" from "boot time" (the default) to "on cable connect". Then the "Next" and whatever buttons in Yast, and I had network.

I was going to ask you- did you install 13.2 from the DVD ISO or did you upgrade 13.1 using Factory? What you are showing above I cannot see in Network Settings in YaST but I can see "Network Setup Settings" in Network Settings and the choices here are-

* NetworkManager Service

* Wicked

* Network Services Disabled

I seem to remember that the choice of settings you mention above are in 13.1 and KDE 4.11.x but these changed -- but I may be wrong.

In any case, are you sure that you switched from "boot time" to "on cable connect" because I thought that I saw that '"cable connect" was the default, and I switched it to "boot time" to get wi-fi working........

This comment is specifically aimed at 13.1, repeat 13.1, and not 13.2. There is a YouTube video which I followed and which had my wi-fi working in under 30 seconds. The video is called "openSUSE 13.1_WIFI for newbies".

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I gave a bit more detail in this forum thread:

"https://forums.opensuse.org/showthread.php/500337-Wicked-really-is-well-name..."

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With Network Manager so easy to configure (once you have worked it all out that is! :-) ) I'll stick with it and not go tippy-toeing thru another minefield :-) .

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If there's an open bug report on this, please provide the bug number.

BC

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