[opensuse-factory] tumbleweed
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 General tumbleweed question: is there something like a limit how much "versions" i am able to NOT install? with other words: - - if i read the "snapshoot release" and i figure out i will have a problem with this (and maybe some next) release(s), or if i have no time to install immediately. how many snapshoots could i skip without running into a problem? thanks for info, simoN - -- B e c h e r e r GmbH Sondermaschinenbau Mauermatten Strasse 22 79183 Waldkirch Germany Tel.: (+49) (0)7681 3134 Fax: (+49) (0)7681 4378 Mail: info@becherer.de Web: www.becherer.de USt-ID-Nr.: DE 814912198 Registergericht: Freiburg HRB 701860 Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH), EWE Simon H. Becherer Gerichtsstand / Sitz: Waldkirch Es gelten ausschließlich unsere allgemeinen Liefer- und Zahlungsbedingungen / Einkaufsbedingungen: www.becherer.de/AGB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJaO/6XAAoJEOuDxDCJWQG+DFkP/i8tG9JjBRDiKdTQKfu10vjK XRLp7cqRm3kXEcooZiuud2n0u4DnvbNSTtr24exEdb8CAA10t1rA7VWKxH2Hubxb TFef1UGT8i9t5ok348OeeHQ/MEtOr2pxqhWbLv5sCQmvWpUwiFwNhaGWMirqGFUP 2BBSy4dO0AGQTSbE1AMyae8jEXLZXMd889UF09TMfkwejKtwCCLXnd9s8QoITBG9 xVEKCPmAtTnRMgYWhOMPSsYKA53nFNLXMy5BX6Us2Z7th4g9H2D0Wl7+D1JyHFR0 +DVNCPXRXszkTdlGZU2UOIwA7oiqyqqA3f+4KwT24wPcbwaceeau+Af98BzxtMXG Bhv3WGfd5FAJY/BF4/KVK62al9AjaIopWqVDjkPi49QhYNmABArPWTadFhwlB/v+ YqspnJEsG6h7fiAUQSm7yxxWj+yweGqDiJsE/6AUWP0FimmKLVnjWoDNGJ1rkSBd UUHxQZoZU5Kp4sm9fXxsL/5XyPnBWi7xqf4zqnTwp7kOqILHr1gER13hOWr9X/ak EoUXNUlXqJj3a/B+z/fXeH9HCxxm48HeD9paDiuS9q9dasZ5LLZN1tMIzubVOWOu mI39Ey/QryDUdxYb0AkP0HWduhTxcgjeUPDlBjiVB7o16QIi76fIObK6bCdd0UbQ 6Ccsy6Or+CjosUHF5SP8 =1NQV -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Simon Becherer <simon@becherer.de> [12-21-17 13:34]:
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General tumbleweed question:
is there something like a limit how much "versions" i am able to NOT install?
with other words:
- - if i read the "snapshoot release" and i figure out i will have a problem with this (and maybe some next) release(s), or if i have no time to install immediately.
how many snapshoots could i skip without running into a problem?
thanks for info,
simoN
- -- B e c h e r e r GmbH Sondermaschinenbau Mauermatten Strasse 22 79183 Waldkirch Germany
Tel.: (+49) (0)7681 3134 Fax: (+49) (0)7681 4378 Mail: info@becherer.de Web: www.becherer.de
USt-ID-Nr.: DE 814912198 Registergericht: Freiburg HRB 701860 Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH), EWE Simon H. Becherer Gerichtsstand / Sitz: Waldkirch
Es gelten ausschließlich unsere allgemeinen Liefer- und Zahlungsbedingungen / Einkaufsbedingungen: www.becherer.de/AGB
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no way to know, but perhaps before someone can read all of your sig. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 21/12/2017 17:04, Patrick Shanahan ha scritto:
* Simon Becherer <simon@becherer.de> [12-21-17 13:34]: General tumbleweed question:
is there something like a limit how much "versions" i am able to NOT install?
with other words:
- if i read the "snapshoot release" and i figure out i will have a problem with this (and maybe some next) release(s), or if i have no time to install immediately.
how many snapshoots could i skip without running into a problem?
thanks for info,
simoN
no way to know, but perhaps before someone can read all of your sig.
:-) :-) :-) -- Marco Calistri -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 22/12/17 05:03, Simon Becherer wrote:
General tumbleweed question:
is there something like a limit how much "versions" i am able to NOT install?
with other words:
- if i read the "snapshoot release" and i figure out i will have a problem with this (and maybe some next) release(s), or if i have no time to install immediately.
how many snapshoots could i skip without running into a problem?
thanks for info,
simoN
I don't think we have specified a limit, but given we still support upgrading from older versions of leap you should be thinking in terms of years rather then days or weeks we are normally pretty slow at removing code needed to migrate from packaging. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adelaide Australia, UTC+10:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
On Thursday, 21 December 2017 23:18:39 CET Simon Lees wrote:
On 22/12/17 05:03, Simon Becherer wrote:
General tumbleweed question:
is there something like a limit how much "versions" i am able to NOT install?
with other words:
- if i read the "snapshoot release" and i figure out i will have a problem
with this (and maybe some next) release(s), or if i have no time to install immediately.> how many snapshoots could i skip without running into a problem?
thanks for info,
simoN
I don't think we have specified a limit, but given we still support upgrading from older versions of leap you should be thinking in terms of years rather then days or weeks we are normally pretty slow at removing code needed to migrate from packaging.
That is correct. Basically you should think about the risk of upgrade problems introduced that can not be easily fixed and tests. There is one openQA test that is testing just the upgrade from the previous TW snapshot to the current one plus upgrade tests from many older versions, e.g. https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/latest?test=update_13.1-gnome&arch=x86_64&machine=64bit&version=Tumbleweed&flavor=DVD&distri=opensuse for an upgrade test from openSUSE 13.1 to current Tumbleweed. Just recently the upgrade tests from openSUSE 12.X were removed because they were too hard to maintain from the test perspective but it should still work with just minor conflicts that need to be resolved by hand. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Freitag, 22. Dezember 2017, 08:37:17 CET schrieb Oliver Kurz:
On Thursday, 21 December 2017 23:18:39 CET Simon Lees wrote:
On 22/12/17 05:03, Simon Becherer wrote:
how many snapshoots could i skip without running into a problem?
I don't think we have specified a limit, but given we still support upgrading from older versions of leap you should be thinking in terms of years rather then days or weeks we are normally pretty slow at removing code needed to migrate from packaging.
That is correct. Basically you should think about the risk of upgrade problems introduced that can not be easily fixed and tests. There is one openQA test that is testing just the upgrade from the previous TW snapshot to the current one plus upgrade tests from many older versions, e.g. https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/latest?test=update_13.1-gnome&arch=x86_64& machine=64bit&version=Tumbleweed&flavor=DVD&distri=opensuse for an upgrade test from openSUSE 13.1 to current Tumbleweed. Just recently the upgrade tests from openSUSE 12.X were removed because they were too hard to maintain from the test perspective but it should still work with just minor conflicts that need to be resolved by hand.
From my personal experience with hardware that is only randomly used - update cycles of a year have not caused problems so far when updating TW to TW.
HTH Axel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Thanks for the infos, so if i understood correct, there "should" be no problem to update a "tumbleweed" which is a couple of weeks old to the actual "tumbleweed" only if it is years old, maybe as old as the last "out of maintenance" "normal" opensuse release there could be (minor) problems. simoN Am 22.12.2017 um 08:37 schrieb Oliver Kurz:
On Thursday, 21 December 2017 23:18:39 CET Simon Lees wrote:
On 22/12/17 05:03, Simon Becherer wrote:
General tumbleweed question:
is there something like a limit how much "versions" i am able to NOT install?
with other words:
- if i read the "snapshoot release" and i figure out i will have a problem
with this (and maybe some next) release(s), or if i have no time to install immediately.> how many snapshoots could i skip without running into a problem?
thanks for info,
simoN
I don't think we have specified a limit, but given we still support upgrading from older versions of leap you should be thinking in terms of years rather then days or weeks we are normally pretty slow at removing code needed to migrate from packaging.
That is correct. Basically you should think about the risk of upgrade problems introduced that can not be easily fixed and tests. There is one openQA test that is testing just the upgrade from the previous TW snapshot to the current one plus upgrade tests from many older versions, e.g. https://openqa.opensuse.org/tests/latest?test=update_13.1-gnome&arch=x86_64&machine=64bit&version=Tumbleweed&flavor=DVD&distri=opensuse for an upgrade test from openSUSE 13.1 to current Tumbleweed. Just recently the upgrade tests from openSUSE 12.X were removed because they were too hard to maintain from the test perspective but it should still work with just minor conflicts that need to be resolved by hand.
- -- B e c h e r e r GmbH Sondermaschinenbau Mauermatten Strasse 22 79183 Waldkirch Germany Tel.: (+49) (0)7681 3134 Fax: (+49) (0)7681 4378 Mail: info@becherer.de Web: www.becherer.de USt-ID-Nr.: DE 814912198 Registergericht: Freiburg HRB 701860 Geschäftsführer: Dipl.-Ing. (FH), EWE Simon H. Becherer Gerichtsstand / Sitz: Waldkirch Es gelten ausschließlich unsere allgemeinen Liefer- und Zahlungsbedingungen / Einkaufsbedingungen: www.becherer.de/AGB -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iQIcBAEBAgAGBQJaPL1FAAoJEOuDxDCJWQG+LoQP/3oMI+99Q37nap6YLWUfWMcN AwOeQ3I5o5XTZ3289SraO7FXN38s3UmLphN6vNwGYX8QnpoGG0/z/KsMVqndbpCW 7bWlAsFEunhF+QHjijpLUCWzcyQydGqmigFPM+d7kuWgrXD/aKyFtgjAusp9NyDG fQdpNRtGRoYblF4NVWuU7BapdW5L7IHFjN4OgqhLzQ5uaWlXdS+ueqeeOSkyyQR9 ud1sFA+3ES2CH/JOY28gqouYSZYmP5j6LYTWnDrrx1V9sPH7PwzQY4Ppr54QN2ze TIzT9V7IM0bSjSiijOFOo6VD+7b1sl1iB43W10puukgmN17PylQEucKjdciJ+aKB iH7iFAvZnv6ycOIgyw6PYTtVjm3W0yc1irqv8/Bl2z2sdkOxMGFOcqh4EzrHN3dp DubAUHNYshx7bEDB5EsFjZlIqeOs8SiFTTF7WCcTHKhYSdOcgUwtCHbzK2CAUhZg MzuguVf4Jea8B2ZMYabML/uJNncdp5F2bos13Cws8jiTTkZi9vMbIJhJPzcItYt5 GRD9wqsMnT4KBu3N97CQjJ6e52BNbZVnO4MT8ZEAuI3AQctE5YDAy/LUguAt9iIu QP2H6a1i0cHKULEvYyTcE7xRzi3nR0OvjRh1GlvEHd7PVyP3wU4RC1kM8Zq7e14K 6r8KVbFSItjKE6OvWydw =6fO9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Thanks for the infos,
so if i understood correct, there "should" be no problem to update a "tumbleweed" which is a couple of weeks old to the actual "tumbleweed"
only if it is years old, maybe as old as the last "out of maintenance" "normal" opensuse release there could be (minor) problems.
Correct. I have been running Tumbleweed on many different machines with different configurations, and different update cycles. No problems so far (that weren’t my own fault). My desktop has been running Factory since at least 2009, later switched to Tumbleweed, and that’s still working fine :)
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