[opensuse-factory] Re: zypper dup 12.2 -> 13.1 fail
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 02:27:44 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
I spent the better part of 3 hours trying to get it working, and in the end, I decided there was some old cruft on the system that was probably causing problems, and I could have spent another day trying to get it to work, or I could just install / from scratch and have a clean setup. I opted for the latter.
There are two kinds of cruft after a system upgrade.
Three, but OK.
* One, is that as the DVD is too small to contain the full oss repo, a lot is missing. So you have to do after it:
Well, yes, or if you've installed software from other sources that's not compatible with the new libraries, etc. Or if you have lots of repos configured (as I have done in the past).
* The second issue is stale config files. If you run "rcrpmconfigcheck" you get a list of config files to check. Even on normal updates you get them:
I back those up regardless of how I do an upgrade. Better to be safe than sorry. This time around, I missed user cron jobs. Ah well, nothing overly complex in them, so recreating them isn't a problem. Third kind of cruft, BTW - are those things that are installed from unofficial sources. To each his own - I prefer doing a clean install every now and then regardless of the OS. Jim -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 9, 2013 at 3:40 AM, Jim Henderson wrote:
Third kind of cruft, BTW - are those things that are installed from unofficial sources.
To each his own - I prefer doing a clean install every now and then regardless of the OS.
I find there are two scenarios in the systems I work with 1. An openSUSE system that is running a "clean" install as a basic system with only the standard repos enabled and updated. Usually this is the workhorse system doing server duty, or office desktop. 2. An openSUSE system that is running a home desktop type install with loads of extras installed from Packman and 3rd party (eg Google repos, Skype, Teamviewer, VMWare Player, games from indie developers etc) System 1 upgrades fairly easily provided they aren't bodged systems that are running non-standard stuff, and you read and apply the release notes steps for each upgrade. I've never really had an issue with these systems. System 2 is very difficult to upgrade, and for all the work it takes to sort out the endless issues, it's easier, cleaner and infinitely faster to backup, format the root partition, and reinstall. On these systems, I'm up and running again in 10 minutes, and spend maybe 30 minutes re-adding the repos and reinstalling 3rd party apps. C. -- openSUSE 13.1 x86_64, KDE 4.11 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2013-12-09 08:27, C wrote:
System 2 is very difficult to upgrade, and for all the work it takes to sort out the endless issues, it's easier, cleaner and infinitely faster to backup, format the root partition, and reinstall. On these systems, I'm up and running again in 10 minutes, and spend maybe 30 minutes re-adding the repos and reinstalling 3rd party apps.
It takes me weeks to install fresh with absolutely everything configured and tested. Things which are configured by root, not user, and thus do not reside on the home partition. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
On 2013-12-09 03:40, Jim Henderson wrote:
On Mon, 09 Dec 2013 02:27:44 +0100, Carlos E. R. wrote:
There are two kinds of cruft after a system upgrade.
Three, but OK.
Right, I forgot that one.
* One, is that as the DVD is too small to contain the full oss repo, a lot is missing. So you have to do after it:
Well, yes, or if you've installed software from other sources that's not compatible with the new libraries, etc. Or if you have lots of repos configured (as I have done in the past).
Not from other sources; just packages that are in the standard oss repo, but are not included in the dvd. I don't know the current size of the oss repo, but it might have thrice the packages than the dvd.
This time around, I missed user cron jobs. Ah well, nothing overly complex in them, so recreating them isn't a problem.
Ah, you didn't do a full backup, then ;-)
Third kind of cruft, BTW - are those things that are installed from unofficial sources.
True. Typically packman. And we forgot a fourth one, proprietary drivers, when needed. But issues 3 and 4 also happen on a fresh install, whereas 1 and 2 are specific of upgrades. The first only on dvd offline upgrades, the second on both.
To each his own - I prefer doing a clean install every now and then regardless of the OS.
Yes, of course, each one has his preferences :-) -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 12.3 x86_64 "Dartmouth" at Telcontar)
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