Why I hate package manager in 10.1 3 hours 30 minutes to check dependentcies.
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager. I just finished with the first CD (CD1). I tried to upgrade a production 10.0 server. I choose the upgrade option. It complained about not being able to reslove them and had to have manual intervention. It would bring up conflicts one at a time with 30 seconds to 3.5 minute wait between them. It took over 3 hours and 30 minutes just to review the conflicts. It then took an other hour after I tried to re-add back selections that were removed. Most of the time I had to click unlock and check again. This makes the upgrade totally not an option. I will stay with 10.0 on the other 30 systems I have control over. I do not have the time to try and do this for each and every system. The old package manager I could be done fixing the conflicts in 10-30 minutes depending on the system. This system was one I thought would be the easiest to upgrade. I thought I had better warn others. - -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEZ4sHVtBjDid73eYRAprdAJ9p75DXfBXqcQQKOzbHbmSg/IVvpQCfbVYf Nrz1LSncaNKgTNWf/rVfSRQ= =3Rh9 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Boyd Lynn Gerber escribió:
I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager.
Sadly , You are not the only one. :-( --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory-unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory-help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Sun, 14 May 2006, Cristian Rodriguez wrote:
Boyd Lynn Gerber escribió:
I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager.
Sadly , You are not the only one. :-(
I used y2pmsh instead. Very comfortably at the "solving" stage. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Sunday 2006-05-14 at 22:48 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager.
Sadly , You are not the only one. :-(
I used y2pmsh instead. Very comfortably at the "solving" stage.
Does it run from the install dvd automatically, when doing the upgrade? Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEaGcYtTMYHG2NR9URAj5LAKCQ2aqCcO0hvdAzsrLo1ObQ8ynkMwCfQAZh uZNXFSyN/+M9IUFmoabXP+4= =OiT8 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, On Mon, 15 May 2006, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Sunday 2006-05-14 at 22:48 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager.
Sadly , You are not the only one. :-(
I used y2pmsh instead. Very comfortably at the "solving" stage.
Does it run from the install dvd automatically, when doing the upgrade?
No. Just from within the old system. Christoph had posted a sample session in february. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Monday 2006-05-15 at 13:37 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager.
Sadly , You are not the only one. :-(
I used y2pmsh instead. Very comfortably at the "solving" stage.
Does it run from the install dvd automatically, when doing the upgrade?
No. Just from within the old system.
Oh, my :-( I have never upgraded a full system that way.
Christoph had posted a sample session in february.
Could you be more precise? I wasn't watching this list then. Title of the email, for instance... - -- Cheers, Carlos Robinson -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFEaHEttTMYHG2NR9URArszAKCTMcp1IFV2unD/cNX3mSFxeGfizwCfavnv nzkYMxbhv5KEPCSVwprQwNo= =2AR5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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The Monday 2006-05-15 at 13:37 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager. Sadly , You are not the only one. :-( I used y2pmsh instead. Very comfortably at the "solving" stage. Does it run from the install dvd automatically, when doing the upgrade? No. Just from within the old system. Oh, my :-(
I have never upgraded a full system that way.
Christoph had posted a sample session in february.
Could you be more precise? I wasn't watching this list then. Title of the email, for instance...
I went through all of Feb and the first of March and could not find it. I would like to see the post. I did find one reference to using y2pmsh upgrade. Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEaHOXVtBjDid73eYRAp/qAJkBMmV0QxEzB10jHYBFp7/9GONeAQCfbtmb Xb4AaW7J0xuKAW4apzbNQGI= =oJzc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Hi, On Mon, 15 May 2006, Carlos E. R. wrote:
The Monday 2006-05-15 at 13:37 +0200, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
I would like to report why I object to 10.1 package manager.
Sadly , You are not the only one. :-(
I used y2pmsh instead. Very comfortably at the "solving" stage.
Does it run from the install dvd automatically, when doing the upgrade?
No. Just from within the old system.
Oh, my :-(
I have never upgraded a full system that way.
Christoph had posted a sample session in february.
Could you be more precise? I wasn't watching this list then. Title of the email, for instance...
Here is my local file copy, (c) Christoph Thiel: For those of you who don't want to do a fresh installation, just use y2pmsh to upgrade ot the latests beta. It (still) uses the (old) YaST2 package manager backend and therefore is very stable and useable for an upgrade. (I'v used it successfully for the last 3 betas ;)) Here is a short guide on "how to upgrade with y2pmsh": 1.) Get the latests y2pmsh and yast2-packagemanager from Factory and install them using "rpm -Uvh y2pmsh*.rpm yast2-packagemanager*". Run SuSEconfig. 2.) Fire of y2pmsh by calling "y2pmsh". # y2pmsh Welcome to the YaST2 Package Manager! This tool is meant for debugging purpose only. initializing installation sources ... refreshing [... bla bla bla] initializing target ... reading RPM database .............ok [some more info] type help for help, ^D to exit ==> make sure you don't have any source active, if there are some, call "source -R <numberofsource>" to remove them: [0] y2pm > source -ls Known sources: [0] y2pm > source --add <url to factory mirror> refreshing SUSE LINUX Version 10.0.42... ok (already up to date) [0] y2pm > upgrade ==> ... lot's of info ===[sum]============================================ Packages checked 1119 totalToInstall 1115 totalToDelete 0 totalToKeep 3 -------------------------- sum 1118 ==================================================== ==================================================== ==> looks OK! [0] y2pm > solve ==> hopefully you don't get to many conflicts... ;) this is just an example how to resolve a conflict Name: evolution-sharp Edition: 0.10.2-7 From-Input-List: yes Unresolvable: evolution-sharp-0.10.2-7 requires libedataserver-1.2.so.4 Packages with errors: 2 Packages to install: 1117 Packages to keep: 3 Packages to delete: 1 Download size: 1.27 GB Needed Space: -5.2 MB [1] y2pm > remove evolution-sharp [1] y2pm > solve [...] Packages with errors: 0 Packages to install: 1116 Packages to keep: 3 Packages to delete: 2 Download size: 1.27 GB Needed Space: -5.8 MB [0] y2pm > commit ==> get yourself a cup of coffee and relax ;) [0] y2pm > quit # SuSEconfig # insserv -r novell-zmd # ;) ==> You might want to check with # rpm -qa --last | tail -200 if there are some packages that haven't been updated (the virtual gpgkey packages are fine), but others might need some manuall interaction. This is e.g. the case if packages have been dropped. Just remove those packages with # rpm -e <packagename> # reboot Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
On 2006-05-15 14:36, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Here is my local file copy, (c) Christoph Thiel: ... 1.) Get the latests y2pmsh and yast2-packagemanager from Factory and
Can't find yast2-packagemanager anywhere :-( Anyone know what happened to it? Kevin -- _ | Kevin Ivory | Tel: +49-551-3700000 |_ |\ | | Service Network GmbH | Fax: +49-551-3700009 ._|ER | \|ET | Bahnhofsallee 1b | mailto:Ivory@SerNet.de Service Network | 37081 Goettingen | http://www.SerNet.de/
Hi, On Wed, 17 May 2006, Kevin Ivory wrote:
On 2006-05-15 14:36, Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Here is my local file copy, (c) Christoph Thiel: ... 1.) Get the latests y2pmsh and yast2-packagemanager from Factory and
Can't find yast2-packagemanager anywhere :-( Anyone know what happened to it?
I don't know, but at least it is not needed anymore for y2pmsh. Cheers -e -- Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
Em Dom, 2006-05-14 às 13:54 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber escreveu:
This makes the upgrade totally not an option. I will stay with 10.0 on the other 30 systems I have control over. I do not have the time to try
Since I came from other apt-based systems, I'm very comfortable with Smart Package Manager. I could manage to get two 10.0 laptops, with Guru and Packman packages, upgrading to 10.1 within 5min of "Resolving dependencies". It removed about 4 conflicting packages, but I was able to reinstall them after 30m (upgraded from DVD). No worries at all. -- % Mauricio Teixeira (netmask) % mteixeira{a}webset{d}net <> Maceio/AL/BR % http://mteixeira.webset.net <> http://pmping.sf.net
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Em Dom, 2006-05-14 às 13:54 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber escreveu:
This makes the upgrade totally not an option. I will stay with 10.0 on the other 30 systems I have control over. I do not have the time to try Since I came from other apt-based systems, I'm very comfortable with Smart Package Manager. I could manage to get two 10.0 laptops, with Guru and Packman packages, upgrading to 10.1 within 5min of "Resolving dependencies". It removed about 4 conflicting packages, but I was able to reinstall them after 30m (upgraded from DVD). No worries at all.
What is the magic you used? I have tried smart upgrade smart --gui The sources I want to use are /local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/inst-source /local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/non-oss-inst-source ftp://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.1 http://suse.cs.utah.edu/suse/update/10.1 I tried to add them and I get some channel error. Does this also work for older suse OS's? On 10.0 all I get is No interesting upgrades available and it will not allow me to add the above sources. They are what I use for 10.1. Any ideas? Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEeKnFVtBjDid73eYRAqkuAJwLEP/qe3cs59El60mIw1xu1cWYXgCfRVcs 0EvPSoXa+6lE/V8SXpv/VLw= =ikpc -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Em Dom, 2006-05-14 às 13:54 -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber escreveu:
This makes the upgrade totally not an option. I will stay with 10.0 on the other 30 systems I have control over. I do not have the time to try Since I came from other apt-based systems, I'm very comfortable with Smart Package Manager. I could manage to get two 10.0 laptops, with Guru and Packman packages, upgrading to 10.1 within 5min of "Resolving dependencies". It removed about 4 conflicting packages, but I was able to reinstall them after 30m (upgraded from DVD). No worries at all.
What is the magic you used?
I have tried
smart upgrade smart --gui
The sources I want to use are
/local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/inst-source /local/suse/suse/i386/10.1/stable/non-oss-inst-source ftp://packman.unixheads.com/suse/10.1 http://suse.cs.utah.edu/suse/update/10.1
I got the local sources added. I clicked on the update ! in the graphical and it has now been 8 hours and the window will not refresh. I do see the CPU and time growing with ps -ef root 20072 1 86 13:47 ? 06:25:16 /usr/bin/python /usr/bin/smart --gui So I think it may be updating or getting ready to update the system. Thanks, - -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.2 (GNU/Linux) Comment: For info see http://quantumlab.net/pine_privacy_guard/ iD8DBQFEeQf0VtBjDid73eYRAp9oAJ4qeq00gY/krezUjl9Spxafg3f7zwCeOhmR Ho0dGFbcj6+qqvK3wn3kedg= =Eapl -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
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Boyd Lynn Gerber -
Carlos E. R. -
Cristian Rodriguez -
Eberhard Moenkeberg -
Kevin Ivory -
Mauricio Teixeira (netmask)