[opensuse-factory] ok box
I'm not sure of that, But I have the feeling than the boxes asking for "OK, cancel, retry" are not all the same. I mean that some times the OK button is on the right, sometimes on the left of the box (sometimes the OK is a big left icon, when most of the time the icons are only decoration. is there a openSUSE standard? if not, there should be one :-). Of course several options must probably thought of :-) any comment? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
jdd
I'm not sure of that, But I have the feeling than the boxes asking for "OK, cancel, retry" are not all the same.
I mean that some times the OK button is on the right, sometimes on the left of the box (sometimes the OK is a big left icon, when most of the time the icons are only decoration.
If those are in YaST: Please make screenshots and open a bugreport, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
jdd
writes: I'm not sure of that, But I have the feeling than the boxes asking for "OK, cancel, retry" are not all the same.
I mean that some times the OK button is on the right, sometimes on the left of the box (sometimes the OK is a big left icon, when most of the time the icons are only decoration.
If those are in YaST: Please make screenshots and open a bugreport,
well... what is the "normal" way? (not necessary to fill a bug report in that case) First case: cancel retry OK or second case OK cancel retry or??? thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
jdd
Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
jdd
writes: I'm not sure of that, But I have the feeling than the boxes asking for "OK, cancel, retry" are not all the same.
I mean that some times the OK button is on the right, sometimes on the left of the box (sometimes the OK is a big left icon, when most of the time the icons are only decoration.
If those are in YaST: Please make screenshots and open a bugreport,
well... what is the "normal" way? (not necessary to fill a bug report in that case)
First case:
cancel retry OK
or second case
OK cancel retry
or???
I don't remember :-(. Jiri? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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I don't remember :-(. Jiri?
I'm sure it depends on the GUI style you want to follow. GNOME/GTK is=20 using Cancel OK, KDE/Qt is using OK Cancel... IMO all dialogs in YaST Qt-GUI should use OK Cancel. Well, at least if=20 it's running under KDE. I know KDE has a setting to change the button=20 order so KDE apps look better under GNOME, but I'm not sure if it's=20 possible with pure Qt applications as well. Andras =2D-=20 Quanta Plus developer - http://quanta.kdewebdev.org K Desktop Environment - http://www.kde.org --nextPart1327252.NhjGFaoLKR Content-Type: application/pgp-signature -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) iD8DBQBFVwsSTQdfac6L/08RAl2yAJ4nUuhq88WZxYinNayG6hqWIbb6TgCgljd5 AqWV5vaWNi5rJ45dNhDxSnM= =nmUo -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --nextPart1327252.NhjGFaoLKR-- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andras Mantia a écrit :
I'm sure it depends on the GUI style you want to follow. GNOME/GTK is=20 using Cancel OK, KDE/Qt is using OK Cancel...
why make things simple... that's probably the rule. mozilla or yast gives "yes No", cancel on the right, when GIMP gives "cancel accept" I feel this quite perturbating as it makes me fail to do the right thing from time to time But I didn't know it was a GUI war problem :-((( thanks jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Andreas Jaeger wrote:
jdd
writes: Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
jdd
writes: I'm not sure of that, But I have the feeling than the boxes asking for "OK, cancel, retry" are not all the same.
I mean that some times the OK button is on the right, sometimes on the left of the box (sometimes the OK is a big left icon, when most of the time the icons are only decoration. If those are in YaST: Please make screenshots and open a bugreport, well... what is the "normal" way? (not necessary to fill a bug report in that case)
First case:
cancel retry OK
or second case
OK cancel retry
or???
I don't remember :-(. Jiri?
Actually, we have some non-written rules. Or they are written but internally. Our plan is to release a wiki-based YaST Dialog Style Guide but after openSUSE 10.2 is out. So, here are some rules: [ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ] [ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ] [ Yes ] [ No ] [ Continue ] [ Cancel ] Because these rules are still not officially 'written', it might be a bit hard to file a bug against them :) ;) Lukas
Lukas Ocilka a écrit :
So, here are some rules:
[ OK ] [ Cancel ]
[ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ]
[ Abort ] [ Retry ]
[ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ]
[ Yes ] [ No ]
[ Continue ] [ Cancel ]
abort and cancel are nearly the same, so * why two words? * why a different layout (abort on left, cancel on right)? thanks better have all this written. Consistency in the interface is of course not the first thing to do, but probably should be the second :-) jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Tuesday 14 November 2006 17:57 schrieb jdd:
Lukas Ocilka a écrit :
So, here are some rules:
[ OK ] [ Cancel ]
[ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ]
[ Abort ] [ Retry ]
[ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ]
[ Yes ] [ No ]
[ Continue ] [ Cancel ]
abort and cancel are nearly the same, so
* why two words? * why a different layout (abort on left, cancel on right)?
it cames from the time, where "Abort" did close the complete YaST window and "Cancel" just canceld one action (esp. in a popup box). -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Adrian Schröter wrote:
Am Tuesday 14 November 2006 17:57 schrieb jdd:
Lukas Ocilka a écrit :
So, here are some rules:
[ OK ] [ Cancel ]
[ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ]
[ Abort ] [ Retry ]
[ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ]
[ Yes ] [ No ]
[ Continue ] [ Cancel ] abort and cancel are nearly the same, so
* why two words? * why a different layout (abort on left, cancel on right)?
it cames from the time, where "Abort" did close the complete YaST window and "Cancel" just canceld one action (esp. in a popup box).
Hmm, yes, these are good questions :) I think Andreas is right, but let's be more concrete... [ OK ] [ Cancel ] ... is mostly used for pop-ups like: "Adding a new firewall rule" with some other text entries (source port, source address). Canceling this pop-up does not do any harm. 'true' - the expected 'return' is on the left. So the pop-up is not indented for errors. [ OK ] [ Cancel ] [ Skip ] ... maybe doesn't have any sense anymore :) [ Abort ] ... is often used to abort the entire process or the entire workflow (like adding new add-on product). In general, this leads in terminating YaST which could be used either as installation or configuration tool. [ Abort ] [ Retry ] ... is used when there is now way to skip the error printed above these buttons. 'true' (?) - the expected return is on the left. [ Abort ] [ Retry ] [ Ignore ] ... the same purpose as the previous one but we have a fall-back `ignore, but it's only on the user's responsibility to select that way and we don't recommend it :) [ Yes ] [ No ] ... used for harmless errors or simple questions: "It's high time you had your cup of coffee! Would you like your KDE to prepare one for you?" [ OK ] ... used for harmless errors (if there is not way to recover from them) or for messages. [ Continue ] [ Cancel ] ... used for confirmation of some non-recoverable tasks, like removing an installation source from or rather deleting some directory with it's content. Sometimes [ Yes ] [ No ] is enough: "Are you sure you want to remove the selected entry?" The expected return is on the left side. As you can see, it's a bit more complicated and even YaST developers aren't sometimes sure about the correct solution :) ;) Anyway, thanks for your questions. They made me think about these issues more than in the past and continuing on this sounds promising. Lukas
Lukas Ocilka a écrit :
As you can see, it's a bit more complicated and even YaST developers aren't sometimes sure about the correct solution :) ;)
so it will be possible to document this on the wiki. If I correctly understand, the expected action is always on the left? I find this a bit curious, but may be it's only me :-( jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://dodin.org/mediawiki/index.php/GPS_Lowrance_GO --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Wednesday 15 November 2006 10:02 schrieb jdd:
Lukas Ocilka a écrit :
As you can see, it's a bit more complicated and even YaST developers aren't sometimes sure about the correct solution :) ;)
so it will be possible to document this on the wiki. If I correctly understand, the expected action is always on the left? I find this a bit curious, but may be it's only me :-(
Sigi, what is the state of publishing the YaST HIG ? bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
jdd wrote:
Lukas Ocilka a écrit :
As you can see, it's a bit more complicated and even YaST developers aren't sometimes sure about the correct solution :) ;)
so it will be possible to document this on the wiki. If I correctly understand, the expected action is always on the left? I find this a bit curious, but may be it's only me :-(
As I've written before, we plan to have a wiki-based "YaST Dialog Style Guide" but for now (openSUSE 10.2 Beta/RC1 phase) we don't have enough time to start it. If I think about it ... yes ... it seems that the expected action is on the left. But, even if the expected action was [ No ] (cannot imagine the situation now) in the [ Yes ] [ No ] popup, [ Yes ] would be still on the left side. Of course, we have such style guide but it's a bit obsolete and has about (maybe I'm wrong) about 400 pages (with images). It takes weeks to go through it and select the important parts to be written into the wiki. It also needs the general idea (structure) at fist, that also takes some time to design it well. L.
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Adrian Schröter
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jdd
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