[opensuse-factory] Re: TW of 20190121
It gives me great pleasure to report the installation process has been HUGELY improved. The most annoying parts I posted last have disappeared: no more downloading everything from repositories during the DVD install; disk probe takes a reasonable amount of time; no more crude request for a wireless connection (back to our standard network config display). Yes!! Unfortunately, the upstream Qt screw-up that causes the flickering with Nouveau apparently didn't make it in yet so the KDE desktop still is not functional. Cannot yet recommend clients and new users try it out. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 25/01/19 6:26 AM, Chuck Davis wrote:
It gives me great pleasure to report the installation process has been HUGELY improved. The most annoying parts I posted last have disappeared: no more downloading everything from repositories during the DVD install; disk probe takes a reasonable amount of time; no more crude request for a wireless connection (back to our standard network config display). Yes!!
Unfortunately, the upstream Qt screw-up that causes the flickering with Nouveau apparently didn't make it in yet so the KDE desktop still is not functional. Cannot yet recommend clients and new users try it out.
That's odd. FWIW, the 20190121 snapshot cures the flickering problem here. I can now re-activate the vsync setting and the KDE/Plasma desktop works fine. -- Robin K Wellington "Harbour City" New Zealand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Robin, did you install from the DVD or do zypper dup? I would not think it would make any difference but ??? On Thu, Jan 24, 2019 at 1:16 PM Robin Klitscher <robin.klitscher@gmail.com> wrote:
On 25/01/19 6:26 AM, Chuck Davis wrote:
It gives me great pleasure to report the installation process has been HUGELY improved. The most annoying parts I posted last have disappeared: no more downloading everything from repositories during the DVD install; disk probe takes a reasonable amount of time; no more crude request for a wireless connection (back to our standard network config display). Yes!!
Unfortunately, the upstream Qt screw-up that causes the flickering with Nouveau apparently didn't make it in yet so the KDE desktop still is not functional. Cannot yet recommend clients and new users try it out.
That's odd. FWIW, the 20190121 snapshot cures the flickering problem here. I can now re-activate the vsync setting and the KDE/Plasma desktop works fine.
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On 25/01/19 11:48 AM, Chuck Davis wrote:
Robin, did you install from the DVD or do zypper dup? I would not think it would make any difference but ???
zypper dup, (with --no-allow-vendor-change, producing occasional requests to allow vendor change, which I generally do allow on their merits.) Plasma is at 5.14.5 KDE Frameworks is at 5.54.0 Qt is at 5.12.0 Kernel is at 4.20.0-1 I don't know if it's relevant, but the "flickering" problem on this machine with nouveau could not have been traced to an intel video card or driver. There was and is no such video driver on the system (I checked). The card is an nVIDIA GeForce 670GTX
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Robin Klitscher composed on 2019-01-25 12:15 (UTC+1300):
Chuck Davis wrote:
Robin, did you install from the DVD or do zypper dup? I would not think it would make any difference but ???
zypper dup, (with --no-allow-vendor-change, producing occasional requests to allow vendor change, which I generally do allow on their merits.)
Plasma is at 5.14.5 KDE Frameworks is at 5.54.0 Qt is at 5.12.0 Kernel is at 4.20.0-1
I don't know if it's relevant, but the "flickering" problem on this machine with nouveau could not have been traced to an intel video card or driver. There was and is no such video driver on the system (I checked). The card is an nVIDIA GeForce 670GTX
Nouveau has multiple meanings. What is the output from 'inxi -Gxx'[1] for both Chuck and Robin? [1] in OSS, but not installed by default -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 25/01/19 7:08 PM, Felix Miata wrote:
Robin Klitscher composed on 2019-01-25 12:15 (UTC+1300):
I don't know if it's relevant, but the "flickering" problem on this machine with nouveau could not have been traced to an intel video card or driver. There was and is no such video driver on the system (I checked). The card is an nVIDIA GeForce 670GTX
Nouveau has multiple meanings. What is the output from 'inxi -Gxx'[1] for both Chuck and Robin?
In my case inxi -Gxx yields this: Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GK104 [GeForce GTX 670] vendor: Gigabyte driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:1189 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa alternate: nv,nvidia compositor: kwin_x11 resolution: 1920x1200~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NVE4 v: 4.3 Mesa 18.3.1 direct render: Yes -- Robin K Wellington "Harbour City" New Zealand -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
In my case my test box provides this: :Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 04:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0402 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa alternate: nv,nvidia resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NV84 v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.1 direct render: Yes My working desktop the 20181214 image destroyed (I had to change it to nVidia binaries to work) provides the following: Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GK107 [GeForce GT 640] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nvidia v: 410.93 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0fc1 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv compositor: kwin_x11 resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 640/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 410.93 direct render: Yes What is interesting is why my working desktop reports the driver nouveau after I changed it to the nVidia binaries ?? Hope this helps in some way. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Chuck Davis composed on 2019-01-25 06:18 (UTC-0800):
In my case my test box provides this:
:Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 04:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0402 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa alternate: nv,nvidia resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NV84 v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.1 direct render: Yes
That's the old technology. This is the new: # inxi -GxxS System: Host: big41 Kernel: 4.12.14-lp150.12.45-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.3.1 Desktop: KDE 3.5.10 tk: Qt 3.3.8c wm: kwin dm: startx Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.0 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] vendor: XFX Pine driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0402 Display: server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa alternate: nv,nvidia resolution: 2560x1440~60Hz, 2560x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.2 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes The modesetting driver is provided by the server package, not a separate package, even though it is a discrete driver. Uninstall xf86-video-nouveau and modesetting should be used automagically, as will be with intel gfx if younger than about 12 years old, and most ATI GPUs, if their respective xf86-video-* packages are not installed.
My working desktop the 20181214 image destroyed (I had to change it to nVidia binaries to work) provides the following:
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GK107 [GeForce GT 640] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nvidia v: 410.93 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0fc1 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv compositor: kwin_x11 resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 640/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 410.93 direct render: Yes
What is interesting is why my working desktop reports the driver nouveau after I changed it to the nVidia binaries ??
"nouveau" is not what that output shows. What is inxi -Gxx from the one that "reports the driver nouveau"? In the post you replied to: [quote]Nouveau has multiple meanings.[/quote] There is no "the" driver. In that output, there is reported: 1-the kernel driver nvidia 2-the loaded X (DDX) driver nvidia 3-the unloaded X drivers fbdev, modesetting, nouveau, vesa, nv 4-not mentioned directly, the highest level "drivers", via OpenGL, Mesa, libdrm, etc. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi Felix: (and Robin) Well, I knida got egg on my face. When I added the "S" at the end per your example I noticed it was outputting system information and to my utter shock and amazement it was reporting I was running 202190115! I guess when I selected the image to burn I had a lazy finger or something because sure enough, K3b had burned 20190115 rather than 20190121. So, I reburned making sure I selected the 20190121 image and poof! Install program worked perfectly, selected the "experimental" nouveau driver, normal network configuration, no hang on disk probe, no download from repositories and KDE seems rock solid....again, finally. It's been a long time since 20181214 wiped out my desktop!!! But TW is back in it's glory days. Thank you all at openSUSE for giving us the BEST linux distro available to mankind. And, yes, I've attempted to install and evaluate quite a few in the last six weeks. On Fri, Jan 25, 2019 at 9:41 AM Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
Chuck Davis composed on 2019-01-25 06:18 (UTC-0800):
In my case my test box provides this:
:Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] vendor: eVga.com. driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 04:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0402 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa alternate: nv,nvidia resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: NV84 v: 3.3 Mesa 18.3.1 direct render: Yes
That's the old technology. This is the new: # inxi -GxxS System: Host: big41 Kernel: 4.12.14-lp150.12.45-default x86_64 bits: 64 compiler: gcc v: 7.3.1 Desktop: KDE 3.5.10 tk: Qt 3.3.8c wm: kwin dm: startx Distro: openSUSE Leap 15.0 Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA G84 [GeForce 8600 GT] vendor: XFX Pine driver: nouveau v: kernel bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0402 Display: server: X.Org 1.19.6 driver: nouveau unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,vesa alternate: nv,nvidia resolution: 2560x1440~60Hz, 2560x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: llvmpipe (LLVM 5.0 128 bits) v: 3.3 Mesa 18.0.2 compat-v: 3.0 direct render: Yes
The modesetting driver is provided by the server package, not a separate package, even though it is a discrete driver. Uninstall xf86-video-nouveau and modesetting should be used automagically, as will be with intel gfx if younger than about 12 years old, and most ATI GPUs, if their respective xf86-video-* packages are not installed.
My working desktop the 20181214 image destroyed (I had to change it to nVidia binaries to work) provides the following:
Graphics: Device-1: NVIDIA GK107 [GeForce GT 640] vendor: ASUSTeK driver: nvidia v: 410.93 bus ID: 01:00.0 chip ID: 10de:0fc1 Display: x11 server: X.Org 1.20.3 driver: nvidia unloaded: fbdev,modesetting,nouveau,vesa alternate: nv compositor: kwin_x11 resolution: 1920x1080~60Hz OpenGL: renderer: GeForce GT 640/PCIe/SSE2 v: 4.6.0 NVIDIA 410.93 direct render: Yes
What is interesting is why my working desktop reports the driver nouveau after I changed it to the nVidia binaries ??
"nouveau" is not what that output shows. What is inxi -Gxx from the one that "reports the driver nouveau"?
In the post you replied to: [quote]Nouveau has multiple meanings.[/quote]
There is no "the" driver. In that output, there is reported:
1-the kernel driver nvidia 2-the loaded X (DDX) driver nvidia 3-the unloaded X drivers fbdev, modesetting, nouveau, vesa, nv 4-not mentioned directly, the highest level "drivers", via OpenGL, Mesa, libdrm, etc. -- Evolution as taught in public schools is religion, not science.
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