On zondag 2 oktober 2011 10:45:12 todd rme wrote:

It looks like openSUSE currently ships fam. However, it looks like KDE at least says gaming is better than fam, at the very least because gaming doesn't require a system-wide daemon while fam does. Is there another overriding reason why fam is used instead of gaming?

I am a bit puzzled by this message. AFAIK fam means File Alteration Monitor and I fail to understand that a package called gaming has anything to do with that. Besides I can't find a package gaming in the oss or non-oss repositories. The fam package in 12.1 is broken, it does not start at all. I need it to run courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl, so 12.1 is not usable for me at the moment. AFAIK fam is rather closely related to courier, so replacing it with something else is probably not easy. So maybe I have to move to something which replaces courier, Dovecot? -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On zondag 2 oktober 2011 13:00:58 todd rme wrote:

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 12:58 PM, Freek de Kruijf wrote:

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On zondag 2 oktober 2011 10:45:12 todd rme wrote:

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It looks like openSUSE currently ships fam. However, it looks like KDE at least says gaming is better than fam, at the very least because gaming doesn't require a system-wide daemon while fam does. Is there another overriding reason why fam is used instead of gaming?

I am a bit puzzled by this message. AFAIK fam means File Alteration Monitor and I fail to understand that a package called gaming has anything to do with that. Besides I can't find a package gaming in the oss or non-oss repositories.

The fam package in 12.1 is broken, it does not start at all. I need it to run courier-imap and courier-imap-ssl, so 12.1 is not usable for me at the moment. AFAIK fam is rather closely related to courier, so replacing it with something else is probably not easy. So maybe I have to move to something which replaces courier, Dovecot?

Sorry, it was a typo. I meant "gamin", which is a drop-in replacement to fam, not "gaming".

However I can't find gamin in the oss or non-oss repositories, not even as a file name. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 02 October 2011 13:35:18 todd rme wrote:

Yes, I know, that is what I am asking about. Gamin is available in several OBS repositories, including devel:libraries:c and c++, but it is not shipped as part of factory. I am trying to find out if there is a reason for this or if factory should include it. If you are right and fam isn't working at all this is all the more reason to use gaming. I don't know if they can be installed at the same time or not.

Is gamin still alive? Nothing seems to have happened with it since 2008 I'll bet the functionality is now in systemd Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sunday 02 October 2011 14:07:46 todd rme wrote:

It looks like fam hasn't seen an update since 2007, so that doesn't really help in deciding between the two.

strigi depends on fam or gamin and recommends gamin, so even if the systemd has the functionality we still need fam, gaming, or both for 12.1 at least since important software depends on it.

The systemd bit was meant as a joke, at least partly. It seems both fam and gamin are dead as projects. The gnome gio thing has been ported to use inotify directly, and strigi can do that as well, so I don't think either fam or gamin is needed Anders -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Le dimanche 02 octobre 2011, à 10:45 +0200, todd rme a écrit :

It looks like openSUSE currently ships fam. However, it looks like KDE at least says gaming is better than fam, at the very least because gaming doesn't require a system-wide daemon while fam does. Is there another overriding reason why fam is used instead of gaming?

IIRC, gamin doesn't support file monitoring over NFS, while fam does. And that's why we have fam and not gamin. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:

Le dimanche 02 octobre 2011, à 10:45 +0200, todd rme a écrit :

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It looks like openSUSE currently ships fam.  However, it looks like KDE at least says gaming is better than fam, at the very least because gaming doesn't require a system-wide daemon while fam does.  Is there another overriding reason why fam is used instead of gaming?

IIRC, gamin doesn't support file monitoring over NFS, while fam does. And that's why we have fam and not gamin.

Vincent

That sounds like a valid reason. Would it be acceptable to also offer gamin since not everyone uses NFS? Also, can anyone confirm that fam is indeed broken on factory? -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On zondag 2 oktober 2011 19:37:07 Vincent Untz wrote:

Le dimanche 02 octobre 2011, à 14:38 +0200, todd rme a écrit :

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On Sun, Oct 2, 2011 at 2:29 PM, Vincent Untz wrote:

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Le dimanche 02 octobre 2011, à 10:45 +0200, todd rme a écrit :

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It looks like openSUSE currently ships fam. However, it looks like KDE at least says gaming is better than fam, at the very least because gaming doesn't require a system-wide daemon while fam does. Is there another overriding reason why fam is used instead of gaming?

IIRC, gamin doesn't support file monitoring over NFS, while fam does. And that's why we have fam and not gamin.

Vincent

That sounds like a valid reason. Would it be acceptable to also offer gamin since not everyone uses NFS?

Sure, just submit it :-)

Vincent

You can easily check it by installing it in 12.1, no configuration needed, and give as root "rcfam start". I made a bug report https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=719686 I checked the versions. In 11.4 it is fam-2.7.0-146.1 and in 12.1 it is fam-2.7.0-154.1. It looks like a regression, because the same bug was reported a few years ago. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org