* Michael Pujos [03-16-19 20:17]:

...is that reasonable ? :

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The following 2250 NEW packages are going to be installed:   asciidoc dblatex ed libglut3 libkpathsea6 libOSMesa8 libpaper1 libpotrace0 libsigsegv2 libsynctex2 libtexlua52-5 libtexlua53-5 libtexluajit2 libzzip-0-13 lua53 perl-B-Hooks-EndOfScope   perl-Class-Data-Inheritable perl-Class-Method-Modifiers [...]

2250 new packages to install. Overall download size: 905.4 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 1.4 GiB will be used.

seems rather unreasonable, but: zypper -v in --no-r asciidoc The following NEW package is going to be installed: asciidoc 8.6.10-2.4 1 new package to install. Overall download size: 235.5 KiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 926.6 KiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/v/...? shows all options] (y): is reasonable. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 17/03/2019 01.59, Patrick Shanahan wrote:

* Michael Pujos [03-16-19 20:17]:

...

...is that reasonable ? :

Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies...

The following 2250 NEW packages are going to be installed:   asciidoc dblatex ed libglut3 libkpathsea6 libOSMesa8 libpaper1 libpotrace0 libsigsegv2 libsynctex2 libtexlua52-5 libtexlua53-5 libtexluajit2 libzzip-0-13 lua53 perl-B-Hooks-EndOfScope   perl-Class-Data-Inheritable perl-Class-Method-Modifiers [...]

2250 new packages to install. Overall download size: 905.4 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 1.4 GiB will be used.

seems rather unreasonable, but: zypper -v in --no-r asciidoc

The following NEW package is going to be installed: asciidoc 8.6.10-2.4

1 new package to install. Overall download size: 235.5 KiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 926.6 KiB will be used. Continue? [y/n/v/...? shows all options] (y):

is reasonable.

No, it is not. Why should asciidoc recommend all that? -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 15.0 x86_64 at Telcontar)

On 3/16/19 5:15 PM, Michael Pujos wrote:

...is that reasonable ? :

No. It's not reasonable. You might want to try asciidoctor instead. https://asciidoctor.org/docs/install-toolchain/ Any text editor can create AsciiDoc documents. Atom is especially nice with its adoc preview mode and other nice adoc stuff. There are several conversion choices... https://asciidoctor.org/docs/convert-documents/ We're using asciidoctor for major documentation projects.

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2250 new packages to install. Overall download size: 905.4 MiB. Already cached: 0 B. After the operation, additional 1.4 GiB will be used.

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Am 17.03.19 um 10:02 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:

On Sunday 2019-03-17 02:30, Carl Symons wrote:

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On 3/16/19 5:15 PM, Michael Pujos wrote:

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The 2250 packages/998 MB come from asciidoc.spec:Recommends:dblatex. The most minimal dblatex/texlive setup is around 144 packages; the rest likely comes from Recommends between different texlive- subpackages.

Maybe replacing these crazy recommends with a few carefully curated metapackages that require specific texlive subpackages would be a solution. Or going back to a more monolithic texlive packaging (that would also trim the metadata madness that the texlive split has created) -- Stefan Seyfried "For a successful technology, reality must take precedence over public relations, for nature cannot be fooled." -- Richard Feynman -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On dimanche, 17 mars 2019 10.21:35 h CET Stefan Seyfried wrote:

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On 3/16/19 5:15 PM, Michael Pujos wrote:

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...is that reasonable ? : The 2250 packages/998 MB come from asciidoc.spec:Recommends:dblatex. The most minimal dblatex/texlive setup is around 144 packages;

On Sunday 2019-03-17 02:30, Carl Symons wrote: the rest likely comes from Recommends between different texlive- subpackages. Maybe replacing these crazy recommends with a few carefully curated

Am 17.03.19 um 10:02 schrieb Jan Engelhardt: metapackages that require specific texlive subpackages would be a solution.

Or going back to a more monolithic texlive packaging (that would also trim the metadata madness that the texlive split has created)

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Am 17.03.19 um 12:23 schrieb Jan Engelhardt:

texlive OTOH feels more like a programming language where components should be installed on a strictly is-needed basis only. No doubt some genius has put a dynamic "is-available(extra-module)" check in some tex file, necessiting Recommends :-(

What would help though (from a user's perspective) if the essential pieces would come from < 5 packages. Like the glibc-devel package already comes with pthread.h - even if not needed by everyone. It's actually not super hard to do - as the texlive specs are generated, but it takes time, so if there are volunteers... Greetings, Stephan -- Lighten up, just enjoy life, smile more, laugh more, and don't get so worked up about things. Kenneth Branagh -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Sun, 17 Mar 2019 11:32:13 +0100, Michael Pujos wrote:

On 3/17/19 2:30 AM, Carl Symons wrote:

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On 3/16/19 5:15 PM, Michael Pujos wrote:

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...is that reasonable ? :

No. It's not reasonable.

You might want to try asciidoctor instead.

https://asciidoctor.org/docs/install-toolchain/

Any text editor can create AsciiDoc documents. Atom is especially nice with its adoc preview mode and other nice adoc stuff.

There are several conversion choices... https://asciidoctor.org/docs/convert-documents/

We're using asciidoctor for major documentation projects.

I needed asciidoc specifically because a github project (not mine) needed it to generate its man pages.

In most cases, just replacing asciidoc with asciidoctor works. But there are subtle differences that matter sometimes. I have a hackish script to provide a compatible shell script for asciidoctor to behave more as asciidoc. It was created in a hope to drop asciidoc package in near future (due to python2 dependency). But there seems asciidoc based on python3, so asciidoc might remain by itself. In anyway, the script is available at https://github.com/tiwai/asciidoc-compat and the OBS project home:tiwai:test:asciidoc-drop/asciidoc-compat repo. Takashi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On 3/18/19 4:21 PM, Martin Wilck wrote:

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Not sure how that would help. texlive is quite different from, say, lyx. The asciidoc man page says "Backend output file format: docbook45, xhtml11, html4, html5, slidy, wordpress or latex (the latex backend experimental". That doesn't justify a "Recommends: dblatex".

Just because I want to convert asciidoc to something else doesn't mean I want to convert it to PDF and print it. The majority of asciidoc users would probably be fine with ascii-to-HTML conversion. Those who need to convert docbook to other formats will figure out how to install the required tools for that.

This should be a "Suggests", at most.

Martin

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On Mon, 2019-03-18 at 17:20 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Monday 2019-03-18 16:21, Martin Wilck wrote:

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The asciidoc man page says "Backend output file format: docbook45, xhtml11, html4, html5, slidy, wordpress or latex (the latex backend experimental". That doesn't justify a "Recommends: dblatex".

Actually, this is exactly the justification for Recommends (as I see it).

Recommends is kind of a "stop bothering me and make it work", in much the same way the MS Office 2000 installation recommends DOS-WordPerfect 5.x reader plugins (or something of that sort) by default, even though WPG was becoming a niche.

If "recommends" is for niche functionality like this, what do we have "suggests" for, then?

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Just because I want to convert asciidoc to something else doesn't mean I want to convert it to PDF

You know that argument can be spun both ways.

I'm unsure what you want to say. asciidoc is for conversion of asciidoc format _to docbook_. Not for converting _from docbook_ to something else. PDF generation is outside the functionality of asciidoc. The way you argue, asciidoc might as well recommend firefox and evince (for viewing the generated PDF/HTML output). Or likewise, evince could "recommend" both asciidoc and dblatex in order to be able to view asciidoc documents in it. This is stretching the meaning of "recommends" too much - at least as long as pulling in "dblatex" means pulling in 2000 packages. IMO, the way tetex is currently set up in openSUSE, no package should "recommend" it for the sake of PDF generation alone. Isn't it quite obvious from the discussion on this list? How many complaints have you seen that (packages like) asciidoc fail to generate PDFs out of the box, compared to complaints about the number of tetex packages? Martin -- Dr. Martin Wilck , Tel. +49 (0)911 74053 2107 SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Monday 2019-03-18 18:24, Martin Wilck wrote:

If "recommends" is for niche functionality like this, what do we have "suggests" for, then?

Beats me. We have too many tags anyway, and `zypper install` does not even *have* a --suggests option that could potentially select suggestions for installation.

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Just because I want to convert asciidoc to something else doesn't mean I want to convert it to PDF

You know that argument can be spun both ways.

I'm unsure what you want to say.

asciidoc is for conversion of asciidoc format _to docbook_. Not for converting _from docbook_ to something else. PDF generation is outside the functionality of asciidoc.

Aha, that changes things! The asciidoc man page would do good if it actually said that. The way the manpage is written presently (as quoted by you) suggests PDF is an integral mode. In the face of this new knowledge, maybe they should add figlet and unicorns as output modes too, because there will always be some strange program text could be piped to. Or trim the manpage.

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On Monday 2019-03-18 19:05, Takashi Iwai wrote:

On Mon, 18 Mar 2019 18:49:42 +0100, Brüns, Stefan wrote:

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Feel free to split up the asciidoc package.

[...] You're whipping a dead horse.

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On Mon, 2019-03-18 at 18:52 +0100, Jan Engelhardt wrote:

On Monday 2019-03-18 18:24, Martin Wilck wrote:

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If "recommends" is for niche functionality like this, what do we have "suggests" for, then?

Beats me. We have too many tags anyway, and `zypper install` does not even *have* a --suggests option that could potentially select suggestions for installation.

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Just because I want to convert asciidoc to something else doesn't mean I want to convert it to PDF

You know that argument can be spun both ways.

I'm unsure what you want to say.

asciidoc is for conversion of asciidoc format _to docbook_. Not for converting _from docbook_ to something else. PDF generation is outside the functionality of asciidoc.

Aha, that changes things! The asciidoc man page would do good if it actually said that. The way the manpage is written presently (as quoted by you) suggests PDF is an integral mode. In the face of this new knowledge, maybe they should add figlet and unicorns as output modes too, because there will always be some strange program text could be piped to. Or trim the manpage.

Interestingly there was request 581624 "Do not recommend dblatex, it pulls over 1700 packages" almost exactly a year ago, which has been declined because of Takashi's comment at the time - Takashi, could you maybe reconsider? Martin -- Dr. Martin Wilck , Tel. +49 (0)911 74053 2107 SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org