[opensuse-factory] Questionable mirrors
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors. As an example, I want to add the package dbview to Leap 42.3 It seems I am getting sent to: http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.3/repo/oss/su... Which at this very moment is empty (at least as I see it...). This is not the only such mirror. So when I am, say, trying to build OS images with KIWI, it takes weeks to get needed files as I keep getting sent to odd mirrors. Can I blacklist problematic mirrors? -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Roger Oberholtzer <roger.oberholtzer@gmail.com> [09-12-17 07:19]:
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors.
As an example, I want to add the package dbview to Leap 42.3
It seems I am getting sent to:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.3/repo/oss/su...
Which at this very moment is empty (at least as I see it...). This is not the only such mirror. So when I am, say, trying to build OS images with KIWI, it takes weeks to get needed files as I keep getting sent to odd mirrors.
Can I blacklist problematic mirrors?
you might try instead editing the particular repo such as: baseurl=http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://suse.mobile-central.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/ http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ so you "specify" which mirrors are utilized. adjust order to suit. I removed following as I believe they will be redirected to a mirror chosen by mirrorbrain (or ...) rather than the order you specify. you might add them at the end of the above. http://software.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, 2017-09-12 at 07:29 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
you might try instead editing the particular repo such as: baseurl=http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://suse.mobile-central.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss / http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
so you "specify" which mirrors are utilized.
Not sure where you ever got this one from: but software.o.o does not host any repositories - this address is invalid Cheers Dominique
* Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> [09-12-17 07:35]:
On Tue, 2017-09-12 at 07:29 -0400, Patrick Shanahan wrote:
you might try instead editing the particular repo such as: baseurl=http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://suse.mobile-central.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss / http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
so you "specify" which mirrors are utilized.
Not sure where you ever got this one from: but software.o.o does not host any repositories - this address is invalid
tks, don't know how that snuck in. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 1:29 PM, Patrick Shanahan <paka@opensuse.org> wrote:
* Roger Oberholtzer <roger.oberholtzer@gmail.com> [09-12-17 07:19]:
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors.
As an example, I want to add the package dbview to Leap 42.3
It seems I am getting sent to:
http://ftp.acc.umu.se/mirror/opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.3/repo/oss/su...
Which at this very moment is empty (at least as I see it...). This is not the only such mirror. So when I am, say, trying to build OS images with KIWI, it takes weeks to get needed files as I keep getting sent to odd mirrors.
Can I blacklist problematic mirrors?
you might try instead editing the particular repo such as: baseurl=http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://suse.mobile-central.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/ http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
This works when running zypper in a regular environment where one can edit files. It does not work, afaik, when kiwi is managing it's own repo information for the images it is building. And that is my big stumbling block. If zypper had some ability to store (not just read) multiple URLs, then I would imagine the kiwi author could add support. A way to blacklist URLs via the zypper command line could also be interesting. Or even a way to report bad mirrors to MirrorBrain so it does not use them. What does it take to be considered a mirror? -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 12.09.2017 um 13:45 schrieb Roger Oberholtzer:
Can I blacklist problematic mirrors?
you might try instead editing the particular repo such as: baseurl=http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://suse.mobile-central.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/ http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/
This works when running zypper in a regular environment where one can edit files. It does not work, afaik, when kiwi is managing it's own repo information for the images it is building. And that is my big stumbling block. If zypper had some ability to store (not just read) multiple URLs, then I would imagine the kiwi author could add support.
I'm not sure I fully understand what you're trying to do, but I think what you describe can be accomplished already. In a zypper configuration file (e.g. /etc/zypp/repos.d/repo.repo) you can specify "baseurl". IOW zypper should be able to store multiple repositories. As for Kiwi (even though slightly OT) you can specify as many repositories in your config.xml as you want to using the <repository> element (https://suse.github.io/kiwi/development/schema.html#id323) HTH -- Till -- Dipl.-Inform. Till Dörges doerges@pre-sense.de Tel. +49 - 40 - 244 2407 - 14 Fax +49 - 40 - 244 2407 - 24 PRESENSE Technologies GmbH Sachsenstr. 5, D-20097 HH Geschäftsführer/Managing Directors AG Hamburg, HRB 107844 Till Dörges, Jürgen Sander USt-IdNr.: DE263765024 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Tue, Sep 12, 2017 at 2:53 PM, Till Dörges <doerges@pre-sense.de> wrote:
I'm not sure I fully understand what you're trying to do, but I think what you describe can be accomplished already.
In a zypper configuration file (e.g. /etc/zypp/repos.d/repo.repo) you can specify "baseurl". IOW zypper should be able to store multiple repositories.
A feature request (for zypper first, and then for kiwi) seems needed.
As for Kiwi (even though slightly OT) you can specify as many repositories in your config.xml as you want to using the <repository> element (https://suse.github.io/kiwi/development/schema.html#id323)
In order for this to work I need to specify a mirror for all repositories. I have found that it is an erratic problem. I really have been trying to stick with talking to the official source and then being sent to a mirror. But simply overriding this and going direct to the mirror will probably be the only solution. The hunt for reliable mirrors is on. Happily, kiwi caches the currently active RPMs so they are available for subsequent image builds. So this only happens when a new RPM is needed. Of course, when a new Leap release is made, this is a painful thing to work through. BTW, kiwi was in my original post. So it is not so far off topic. But I agree that these things sometimes wander around a bit... -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Den 2017-09-12 kl. 13:45, skrev Roger Oberholtzer:
does not use them. What does it take to be considered a mirror?
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Build_Service_redirector#So_how_does_it_wor... -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
Or even a way to report bad mirrors to MirrorBrain so it does not use them. What does it take to be considered a mirror?
https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Mirror_infrastructure#What_does_it_need_to_... MirrorBrain will normally detect "bad" mirrors itself, and not include them when directing you to a mirror. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.0°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors.
mirrorbrain is not yet probing the mirrors, which means the mirror status is incomplete and mirrorbrain cannot redirect you properly. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
El 12-09-2017 a las 8:18, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors.
I have pretty much the same problem when getting packages in Chile.. for some ill-advised reason mirrorbrain thinks it should go to brazillian mirrors to get content.. this is most of the time slow and unreliable ..something that is completely expected and unsurprising. I understand mirrorbrain is not a person and does not get internet geopolitics or economics, it should ignore that mirror and go first to the US based mirrors then to the EU. kernel.org is a good bet. ISPs buy bandwidth to places where people get content from, not because the proximity of a country.;) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez@opensuse.org> [09-12-17 10:23]:
El 12-09-2017 a las 8:18, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors.
I have pretty much the same problem when getting packages in Chile.. for some ill-advised reason mirrorbrain thinks it should go to brazillian mirrors to get content.. this is most of the time slow and unreliable ..something that is completely expected and unsurprising. I understand mirrorbrain is not a person and does not get internet geopolitics or economics, it should ignore that mirror and go first to the US based mirrors then to the EU. kernel.org is a good bet. ISPs buy bandwidth to places where people get content from, not because the proximity of a country.;)
you may have good luck with kernel.orgbut my experience has been extremely negative from the US. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Citeren Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez@opensuse.org>:
El 12-09-2017 a las 8:18, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors.
I have pretty much the same problem when getting packages in Chile.. for some ill-advised reason mirrorbrain thinks it should go to brazillian mirrors to get content.. this is most of the time slow and unreliable ..something that is completely expected and unsurprising. I understand mirrorbrain is not a person and does not get internet geopolitics or economics, it should ignore that mirror and go first to the US based mirrors then to the EU. kernel.org is a good bet. ISPs buy bandwidth to places where people get content from, not because the proximity of a country.;)
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Arjen de Korte <suse+factory@de-korte.org> [09-12-17 14:43]:
Citeren Cristian Rodríguez <crrodriguez@opensuse.org>:
El 12-09-2017 a las 8:18, Roger Oberholtzer escribió:
I am always fighting with mirrors. I supect it is because I am in Sweden and I get sent to bad local mirrors.
I have pretty much the same problem when getting packages in Chile.. for some ill-advised reason mirrorbrain thinks it should go to brazillian mirrors to get content.. this is most of the time slow and unreliable ..something that is completely expected and unsurprising. I understand mirrorbrain is not a person and does not get internet geopolitics or economics, it should ignore that mirror and go first to the US based mirrors then to the EU. kernel.org is a good bet. ISPs buy bandwidth to places where people get content from, not because the proximity of a country.;)
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE.
then manually choose the mirror(s) you prefer in the order you prefer, ie: baseurl=http://ftp.ussg.iu.edu/linux/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://distro.ibiblio.org/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://suse.mobile-central.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ http://ftp.uni-erlangen.de/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/non-oss/ http://ftp5.gwdg.de/pub/opensuse/tumbleweed/repo/oss/ -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA @ptilopteri http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member facebook/ptilopteri Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net Photos: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/piwigo paka @ IRCnet freenode -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE.
The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL. However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (12.1°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - dedicated server rental in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 08:46, skrev Per Jessen:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE. The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US.
This is exactly why GeoIP is just above useless. The company I work for have about 1 million IP addresses (/12). Maxminds dabase is incorrect for us in about 15-20% of the cases (depending how Maxmind woke that morning). And that's just for country. For city it's useless for real. If you try to get Maxmind to change it's database your up for a roll-a-coaster ride. -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sep 13 2017, Bengt Gördén <bengan@bag.org> wrote:
This is exactly why GeoIP is just above useless.
It's not a solution for everything, sure. People have complained being redirected to the wrong mirror, before download.o.o supported GeoIP for IPv6. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 08:46, skrev Per Jessen:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE. The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US.
This is exactly why GeoIP is just above useless. The company I work for have about 1 million IP addresses (/12). Maxminds dabase is incorrect for us in about 15-20% of the cases (depending how Maxmind woke that morning). And that's just for country. For city it's useless for real. If you try to get Maxmind to change it's database your up for a roll-a-coaster ride.
Actually, to get correct country mapping, the owner of an IP range just needs to create the appropriate objects in the RIPE database. (or whoever is allocating the ranges). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (13.6°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 09:40, skrev Per Jessen:
Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 08:46, skrev Per Jessen:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE. The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US. This is exactly why GeoIP is just above useless. The company I work for have about 1 million IP addresses (/12). Maxminds dabase is incorrect for us in about 15-20% of the cases (depending how Maxmind woke that morning). And that's just for country. For city it's useless for real. If you try to get Maxmind to change it's database your up for a roll-a-coaster ride. Actually, to get correct country mapping, the owner of an IP range just needs to create the appropriate objects in the RIPE database. (or whoever is allocating the ranges).
No. It does not work like that. RIPE-db is at best considered if there is no other option. Trust me on this. Been doing IP registry for 23 years now. -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 09:40, skrev Per Jessen:
Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 08:46, skrev Per Jessen:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE. The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US. This is exactly why GeoIP is just above useless. The company I work for have about 1 million IP addresses (/12). Maxminds dabase is incorrect for us in about 15-20% of the cases (depending how Maxmind woke that morning). And that's just for country. For city it's useless for real. If you try to get Maxmind to change it's database your up for a roll-a-coaster ride. Actually, to get correct country mapping, the owner of an IP range just needs to create the appropriate objects in the RIPE database. (or whoever is allocating the ranges).
No. It does not work like that. RIPE-db is at best considered if there is no other option. Trust me on this. Been doing IP registry for 23 years now.
Okay, how about explaining how it does work then? -- Per Jessen, Zürich (16.3°C) http://www.hostsuisse.com/ - virtual servers, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 13:52, skrev Per Jessen:
No. It does not work like that. RIPE-db is at best considered if there is no other option. Trust me on this. Been doing IP registry for 23 years now. Okay, how about explaining how it does work then?
It is empirical findings. Especially the country field in inetnum (see below). When it comes to Maxmind no one except Maxmind them self can say how it really works. But it is not country code in inetnum in ripe-db as a first criteria. Maybe the last one and sometimes even not that. Maxmind said in some old correspondence with me that they do traceroute and ping to triangulate the position of an IP address. When I started to get phone calls and emails about IP addresses in "wrong" region I contacted Maxmind (and others. ip2location, akamai etc.) to correct the data. At that point you could email data about the network and somebody changed it. I sent exactly the same we had in ripe-db as inetnum and it got changed. But they never took a second look in ripe-db. At that point I gathered that they probably had trawled the database at some point and didn't bother to do it again. Why? I don't know. Today it's worse. You have to fill in a web form to get things corrected. And even at that point you don't have any guarantees that it will be corrected. We, as owner of large IP range, don't have any say in what info the glue to our IP adresses. Maxmind is selling incorrect info and people seems to be okay with that. Check this out: https://support.maxmind.com/geoip-data-correction-request/ And especially this: "this process may take 2-3 weeks. We do not accept requests to change anonymous proxy or VPN IP addresses. We do not guarantee acceptance of all corrections." -- /bengan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 13:52, skrev Per Jessen:
No. It does not work like that. RIPE-db is at best considered if there is no other option. Trust me on this. Been doing IP registry for 23 years now. Okay, how about explaining how it does work then?
It is empirical findings. Especially the country field in inetnum (see below). When it comes to Maxmind no one except Maxmind them self can say how it really works. But it is not country code in inetnum in ripe-db as a first criteria. Maybe the last one and sometimes even not that. Maxmind said in some old correspondence with me that they do traceroute and ping to triangulate the position of an IP address.
Unless the country information is stored elsewhere, eventually they would still need to consult ripe-db? Anyway, we're going off-topic. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.0°C) http://www.cloudsuisse.com/ - your owncloud, hosted in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-09-13 15:03, Per Jessen wrote:
Bengt Gördén wrote:
Den 2017-09-13 kl. 13:52, skrev Per Jessen:
No. It does not work like that. RIPE-db is at best considered if there is no other option. Trust me on this. Been doing IP registry for 23 years now. Okay, how about explaining how it does work then?
It is empirical findings. Especially the country field in inetnum (see below). When it comes to Maxmind no one except Maxmind them self can say how it really works. But it is not country code in inetnum in ripe-db as a first criteria. Maybe the last one and sometimes even not that. Maxmind said in some old correspondence with me that they do traceroute and ping to triangulate the position of an IP address.
Unless the country information is stored elsewhere, eventually they would still need to consult ripe-db? Anyway, we're going off-topic.
I believe Google has its own database. They use matching GPS data from mobile phones to the IP android phones get. You have to explicitly opt out to not give that info to google, the phones scan WiFi AP for that purpose. It doesn't always work. When I tether mu laptop I get a 10.* address, with a common exit point that can be hundreds of km away - and then google blocks immediately my account and tells me some one stole my password. Happened last Monday to me. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
Citeren Per Jessen <per@computer.org>:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE.
The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US.
Indeed, that server uses an 6in4 tunnel provided by Hurricane Electric. If there would be a way to force zypper to use IPv4 (or IPv6), it probably wouldn't be an issue though. For instance, when using wget or curl, adding a -4 on the commandline will force it to use IPv4, which in cases like these could be a solution. I would prefer that over having to manually select nearby mirrors, potentially picking 'bad' ones that may get out-of-sync without me ever realising that. [ several minutes later ] It seems such an option may already exist. There was a feature request for this and it looks like it is possible to set a variable in the environment to force curl to resolve IPv4 adresses only https://github.com/openSUSE/zypper/issues/49 I'll try this and see how it goes. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sep 13 2017, Arjen de Korte <suse+factory@de-korte.org> wrote:
It seems such an option may already exist. There was a feature request for this and it looks like it is possible to set a variable in the environment to force curl to resolve IPv4 adresses only
https://github.com/openSUSE/zypper/issues/49
I'll try this and see how it goes.
You could also change /etc/gai.conf to tell getaddrinfo to sort IPv4 addresses before IPv6 addresses systemwide. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 2017-09-13 08:46, Per Jessen wrote:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE.
The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US.
Maybe we just need a new feature to tell mirror brain the actual or preferred location for the request. -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 42.2 x86_64 "Malachite" at Telcontar)
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2017-09-13 08:46, Per Jessen wrote:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE.
The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US.
Maybe we just need a new feature to tell mirror brain the actual or preferred location for the request.
I would be happy to be able to tell it about mirrors that are not working properly. With the thought that it would not use them until something says otherwise. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:27 PM, Carlos E. R. <robin.listas@telefonica.net> wrote:
On 2017-09-13 08:46, Per Jessen wrote:
Arjen de Korte wrote:
It would be great if it was possible to override the geolocation somehow. Mirrorbrain locates me in the US, so upgrades to my NL system take a transatlantic roundtrip, while much faster mirrors are available in DE.
The country code for your mailserver's IPv4-range quite clearly says NL, and looking it up here (on our local geoip database), also says NL.
However, looking your IPv6 address, it belongs to Hurricane Electric, in the US.
Maybe we just need a new feature to tell mirror brain the actual or preferred location for the request.
I would be happy to be able to tell it about mirrors that are not working properly. With the thought that it would not use them until something says otherwise.
Maybe start by reporting those mirrors to admin@o.o - mirrorbrain does keep an eye on all the mirrors, disabling mirrors that are stale. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (15.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free dynamic DNS, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Maybe start by reporting those mirrors to admin@o.o - mirrorbrain does keep an eye on all the mirrors, disabling mirrors that are stale.
Today the problematic mirror I reported at the start has files. Yesterday it did not. Who knows what tomorrow brings. I wonder how/if MirrorBrain could track the state of that in a reliable fashion. -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On mercredi, 13 septembre 2017 14.18:38 h CEST Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Maybe start by reporting those mirrors to admin@o.o - mirrorbrain does keep an eye on all the mirrors, disabling mirrors that are stale.
Today the problematic mirror I reported at the start has files. Yesterday it did not. Who knows what tomorrow brings.
I wonder how/if MirrorBrain could track the state of that in a reliable fashion.
You seems to forget that there was a very big failure on primary download.o.o This had some repercussion to mirror, especially due to some lost on the machine that become the master afterward. Mirrors get content delete (due to synchronisation and so.) Actions have been taken to return to normal, as quick as possible, but it's counted in TB ... From my point of examination, checking some mirrors I depend on. The situation seems to be 85% normal. But far mirror, or those with lower priority will take time. I guess we can expect again a normal and sustainable situation next week-end. -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch Bareos Partner, openSUSE Member, fsfe fellowship GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2017-09-13 at 14:18 +0200, Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Maybe start by reporting those mirrors to admin@o.o - mirrorbrain does keep an eye on all the mirrors, disabling mirrors that are stale.
Today the problematic mirror I reported at the start has files. Yesterday it did not. Who knows what tomorrow brings.
I wonder how/if MirrorBrain could track the state of that in a reliable fashion.
today brings the change because our infra people have been working constantly since the download.o.o crash to recover - and since today, MB is doing the mirror probing again, so it actually knows where it can send you - and mirrors are syncing again. Things are slowly but surely returning to normal. Cheers Dominique
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 2:27 PM, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
Things are slowly but surely returning to normal.
I am so grateful that all proceeds. Absolutely no complaint from me! But of course this has to happen when I am charged with making a slew of new KIWI generated Leap 42.3-based OEM image installers and PXE images. It does make one consider belief in an evil god... -- Roger Oberholtzer -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Roger Oberholtzer wrote:
On Wed, Sep 13, 2017 at 1:50 PM, Per Jessen <per@computer.org> wrote:
Maybe start by reporting those mirrors to admin@o.o - mirrorbrain does keep an eye on all the mirrors, disabling mirrors that are stale.
Today the problematic mirror I reported at the start has files. Yesterday it did not. Who knows what tomorrow brings.
Right, the mirrors are recovering. Ours (Hostsuisse) is fully synced now, but status at mirror.o.o has not yet been updated.
I wonder how/if MirrorBrain could track the state of that in a reliable fashion.
It can, but it takes time - mirrors are still recovering from the outage. Mirrorbrain too. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (17.9°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - your free DNS host, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
participants (11)
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Andreas Schwab -
Arjen de Korte -
Bengt Gördén -
Bruno Friedmann -
Carlos E. R. -
Cristian Rodríguez -
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar -
Patrick Shanahan -
Per Jessen -
Roger Oberholtzer -
Till Dörges