ALP WG Meeting minutes - 12 July 2022
Hey Geekos, the last minutes of the ALP working group has caused a huge discussion on the list. I feel this is good, as it shows the interest, as well as concerns, of the community. Work goes on, and in yesterdays meeting we came up with the idea to use current MicroOS Desktop as proof of concept for the next-gen workstation. MicroOS Desktop current has a GNOME and KDE options. KDE is temporarily removed for now, this is expected to be changed in next two weeks. ALP POC doesn't have Desktop in requirements, but we can expect Desktop to land perhaps in a snapshot or two after the POC. Dan kindly volunteeed to create a Video + Text on how to install MicroOS Audience: powerusers, regular users, everyone Not many people might be willing to install this on a primary laptop or workstation. So the idea is to come up with a "a bribe" T-shirt for people who are willing to do that during a defined timeslot (e.g. spend a week with MicroOS desktop in next two months). And IMO, testing installation in a VM should count as well We would be giving users a set of tasks, and provide a support and feedback channel (that might require less than 2 months window, as that's quite a lot of effort). We could make something like QA Leap sheet https://docs.google.com/ spreadsheets/d/1AGKijKpKiJCB616-bHVoNQuhWHpQLHPWCb3m1p6gXPc/edit#gid=455031777 or a lucid spark workshop. Step 1: Prepare a space for FAQ for the effort with MicroOS Desktop (we'd polish it for ALP POC on Asia summit). Step 2: Probably a pre-recorded video of installation (so people know where to take it, how to install it etc). Step 3: Work on the list of actions/tasks that users should complete (e.g. a gdocs sheet, or a wiki page). Step 4: Prepare the feedback look (survey-o-o vs lucid spark). Step 5: Doug comes with cool t-shirts as a price for all participants Proposed timeline for the annoucement would be 2nd August, we'd collect feedback week after for first round, and two weeks after for the second round. Most likely Lubos will hold a rowkshop on openSUSE Asia summit on how to install MicroOS - to be confirmed. Beside this we takled about issues with hplip in flatpak world, printing subsystem cups vs driverless. To be raised with Network configuration and management Workgroup (lead Stefan Fent) https://jira.suse.com/browse/PED-270 / https://lwn.net/Articles/857502/ Seems like there is a common topic of accessing devices from flatpak app (usb redirection, boxes, 3d printer fw-u pdates, printing itself). Some stones on the road, feel free to join to get these removed! Cheers Axel
Hello, On 2022-07-13 13:37, Axel Braun wrote (excerpts):
Beside this we takled about issues with hplip in flatpak world, printing subsystem cups vs driverless. ... Seems like there is a common topic of accessing devices from flatpak app
Only FYI: See https://openprinting.github.io/OpenPrinting-News-March-2022/#flatpak-and-pri... I have zero personal experience with Flatpak or Snap or any other non-RPM packaging format. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE Software Solutions Germany GmbH Frankenstr. 146 - 90461 Nuernberg - Germany GF: Ivo Totev, Andrew Myers, Andrew McDonald, Boudien Moerman (HRB 36809, AG Nuernberg)
On Wed, 2022-07-13 at 14:51 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On 2022-07-13 13:37, Axel Braun wrote (excerpts):
Beside this we takled about issues with hplip in flatpak world, printing subsystem cups vs driverless. ... Seems like there is a common topic of accessing devices from flatpak app
Only FYI: See
https://openprinting.github.io/OpenPrinting-News-March-2022/#flatpak-and-pri...
I have zero personal experience with Flatpak or Snap or any other non-RPM packaging format.
Kind Regards Johannes Meixner
I can let you know there is no generic issue with flatpaks and printing. I do it every day. The MicroOS desktop (GNOME) ships with the same regular RPM print stack you lovingly maintain, and it works great when recieving jobs from apps run as Flatpaks. Regards, Richard
On Wed 13 Jul 2022 09:58:02 PM CDT, Richard Brown wrote:
On Wed, 2022-07-13 at 14:51 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On 2022-07-13 13:37, Axel Braun wrote (excerpts):
Beside this we takled about issues with hplip in flatpak world, printing subsystem cups vs driverless. ... Seems like there is a common topic of accessing devices from flatpak app
Only FYI: See
https://openprinting.github.io/OpenPrinting-News-March-2022/#flatpak-and-pri...
I have zero personal experience with Flatpak or Snap or any other non-RPM packaging format.
Kind Regards Johannes Meixner
I can let you know there is no generic issue with flatpaks and printing.
I do it every day.
The MicroOS desktop (GNOME) ships with the same regular RPM print stack you lovingly maintain, and it works great when recieving jobs from apps run as Flatpaks.
Regards,
Richard
Hi Yes, the issue for me is the NonFree plugin (normally installed by the user and root) containing a firmware tarball and library as well as touching a hplip.state file in /var/lib/hp. I cobbled together a quick and dirty rpm for my HP Laserjet 1102w.... -- Cheers Malcolm °¿° SUSE Knowledge Partner (Linux Counter #276890) Tumbleweed 20220711 | GNOME Shell 42.3.1 | 5.18.9-2-default HP Z440 | Xeon E5-2690 V3 X24 @ 2.60GHz | AMD RX550/Nvidia Quadro T400 up 2 days 1:21, 2 users, load average: 1.17, 0.70, 0.34
I'm very sceptic regarding ALP but I think this test installation with MicroOS is a good idea and I'm willing to take part. Best regards Stefan Am 13.07.22 um 13:37 schrieb Axel Braun:
Hey Geekos,
the last minutes of the ALP working group has caused a huge discussion on the list. I feel this is good, as it shows the interest, as well as concerns, of the community.
Work goes on, and in yesterdays meeting we came up with the idea to use current MicroOS Desktop as proof of concept for the next-gen workstation.
MicroOS Desktop current has a GNOME and KDE options. KDE is temporarily removed for now, this is expected to be changed in next two weeks. ALP POC doesn't have Desktop in requirements, but we can expect Desktop to land perhaps in a snapshot or two after the POC.
Dan kindly volunteeed to create a Video + Text on how to install MicroOS Audience: powerusers, regular users, everyone Not many people might be willing to install this on a primary laptop or workstation.
So the idea is to come up with a "a bribe" T-shirt for people who are willing to do that during a defined timeslot (e.g. spend a week with MicroOS desktop in next two months). And IMO, testing installation in a VM should count as well
We would be giving users a set of tasks, and provide a support and feedback channel (that might require less than 2 months window, as that's quite a lot of effort).
We could make something like QA Leap sheet https://docs.google.com/ spreadsheets/d/1AGKijKpKiJCB616-bHVoNQuhWHpQLHPWCb3m1p6gXPc/edit#gid=455031777 or a lucid spark workshop.
Step 1: Prepare a space for FAQ for the effort with MicroOS Desktop (we'd polish it for ALP POC on Asia summit). Step 2: Probably a pre-recorded video of installation (so people know where to take it, how to install it etc). Step 3: Work on the list of actions/tasks that users should complete (e.g. a gdocs sheet, or a wiki page). Step 4: Prepare the feedback look (survey-o-o vs lucid spark). Step 5: Doug comes with cool t-shirts as a price for all participants
Proposed timeline for the annoucement would be 2nd August, we'd collect feedback week after for first round, and two weeks after for the second round.
Most likely Lubos will hold a rowkshop on openSUSE Asia summit on how to install MicroOS - to be confirmed.
Beside this we takled about issues with hplip in flatpak world, printing subsystem cups vs driverless.
To be raised with Network configuration and management Workgroup (lead Stefan Fent) https://jira.suse.com/browse/PED-270 / https://lwn.net/Articles/857502/
Seems like there is a common topic of accessing devices from flatpak app (usb redirection, boxes, 3d printer fw-u pdates, printing itself).
Some stones on the road, feel free to join to get these removed!
Cheers Axel
participants (5)
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Axel Braun -
Johannes Meixner -
Malcolm -
Richard Brown -
Stefan