Re: [opensuse-factory] Runlevels in 12.1?
On Saturday 12 November 2011 at 10:32, you wrote:
I am curious as I have had quite protracted email discussions with a guy about runlevels. He insists using init 3 and startx is the only way to boot a system but has never put forward a sane and rational answer as to why. As a matter of fact, no answer at all other than incoherent rants against xdm/gdm/kdm.
There are several use cases for init 3/startx: 1. Don't waste resources for X while you are mostly using the machine from remote but only sometimes as desktop. 2. You don't want to have dangerous kdm features like user shutdown or switching sessions while desktop is locked. If you are to lazy to configure kdm then simply disable it. 3. If you don't use any feature of kdm at all why you should use it then? Speaking for me I don't use any kdm feature except typing my password whitch works even better without kdm. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Saturday, 2011-11-12 at 14:58 +0100, Rüdiger Meier wrote:
3. If you don't use any feature of kdm at all why you should use it then? Speaking for me I don't use any kdm feature except typing my password whitch works even better without kdm.
ConsoleKit. It needs the login manager. Once I had a bugzilla where I could not hibernate, and that was the reason. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAk6+fsIACgkQtTMYHG2NR9XN0QCghVBoKGwgydCrHm4DKE+jLrr8 bzwAoJIq6PkkIgvUvQuzrUeCS/i4deJx =HZp7 -----END PGP SIGNATURE-----
Sry for messing up the thread, my MUA was fighting against me. On Saturday 12 November 2011, Carlos E. R. wrote:
On Saturday, 2011-11-12 at 14:58 +0100, Rüdiger Meier wrote:
3. If you don't use any feature of kdm at all why you should use it then? Speaking for me I don't use any kdm feature except typing my password whitch works even better without kdm.
ConsoleKit. It needs the login manager. Once I had a bugzilla where I could not hibernate, and that was the reason.
If this is true then it's another bad example for the more and more evil dependency hell. Why on earth one should need a login manager just to hibernate the machine? cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 2011-11-12 15:31, Rüdiger Meier wrote:
If this is true then it's another bad example for the more and more evil dependency hell. Why on earth one should need a login manager just to hibernate the machine?
Because it doesn't have console kit integration. Wdm did not have it, but gdm and kdm did. Thus powersave failed and pm-hibernate worked. If you want to read about it, it was Bug 341605 - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 11.4 x86_64 "Celadon" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk6+hQwACgkQtTMYHG2NR9UKbgCffnF3IJP8VNMo7xn6r991IGQH 9MAAn26RIYcLrxYszsBznQb+XbWHFNSD =wlmZ -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/11/11 13:58, Rüdiger Meier wrote:
On Saturday 12 November 2011 at 10:32, you wrote:
I am curious as I have had quite protracted email discussions with a guy about runlevels. He insists using init 3 and startx is the only way to boot a system but has never put forward a sane and rational answer as to why. As a matter of fact, no answer at all other than incoherent rants against xdm/gdm/kdm. There are several use cases for init 3/startx:
1. Don't waste resources for X while you are mostly using the machine from remote but only sometimes as desktop.
2. You don't want to have dangerous kdm features like user shutdown or switching sessions while desktop is locked. If you are to lazy to configure kdm then simply disable it.
3. If you don't use any feature of kdm at all why you should use it then? Speaking for me I don't use any kdm feature except typing my password whitch works even better without kdm.
cu, Rudi I absolutely agree, but for single home desktop running KDE apps, amarok, Clementine, firefox, thunderbird and the rest, I see no good reason. 73 ... Sid.
-- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot, Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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