[opensuse-factory] Yast Modules: Summer Sale
Hi, I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog: http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now! :) If you are interested in having these modules in openSUSE and/or maintaining them, get in touch with us (here or at yast-devel) Thanks Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Cloud & Systems Management Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thursday 2013-08-15 16:37, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Hi,
I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog: http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html
We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now!
Is that your way of saying they are maintainerless? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 15.08.2013 17:16, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2013-08-15 16:37, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Hi,
I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog: http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html
We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now!
Is that your way of saying they are maintainerless?
What does "separating from yast-network module" involve? -- Ralf Lang Linux Consultant / Developer Tel.: +49-170-6381563 Mail: lang@b1-systems.de B1 Systems GmbH Osterfeldstraße 7 / 85088 Vohburg / http://www.b1-systems.de GF: Ralph Dehner / Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg / AG: Ingolstadt,HRB 3537 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/15/2013 08:34 PM, Ralf Lang wrote:
On 15.08.2013 17:16, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2013-08-15 16:37, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Hi,
I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog: http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html
We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now!
Is that your way of saying they are maintainerless?
What does "separating from yast-network module" involve?
The current maintainer of yast2-network will move the code to a separate package, e.g., yast2-network-isdn. If possible, he would move them to a separate GitHub project as well. Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Cloud & Systems Management Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/15/2013 05:16 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2013-08-15 16:37, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Hi,
I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog: http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html
We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now!
Is that your way of saying they are maintainerless?
Yes, as said in the blog post: "... we have decided to offer some of the Yast configuration modules ownership to the community ..." Currently, these modules are mostly co-maintained by the whole Yast team but we will not have enough time to maintain/enhance them anymore. Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Cloud & Systems Management Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/16/2013 10:14 AM, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
On 08/15/2013 05:16 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2013-08-15 16:37, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Hi,
I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog: http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html
We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now!
Is that your way of saying they are maintainerless?
Yes, as said in the blog post: "... we have decided to offer some of the Yast configuration modules ownership to the community ..."
Currently, these modules are mostly co-maintained by the whole Yast team but we will not have enough time to maintain/enhance them anymore.
FYI, I've started dropping some of the Yast modules already. They are still free to be taken over - I plan to mostly just change/add new README file defining the current module status. Bye Lukas -- Lukas Ocilka, Cloud & Systems Management Department SUSE LINUX s.r.o., Praha -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/15/2013 05:16 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2013-08-15 16:37, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Hi,
I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog: http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html
We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now!
Is that your way of saying they are maintainerless?
Well, to some extent we are not able to maintain them. Taking ISDN as an example: To test the module (and the full stack), you need an ISDN modem, an ISDN line. Otherwise, you can make sure that the module builds, you can check that it writes some data, but you have no way to check that it is actually any useful. It makes a lot of sense if a module is maintaned by someone, who has access to (or, even better, actively uses) the specific hardware or sevice. Otherwise, we don't even find if it breaks down due to changes in underlying system. Jiri -- Regards, Jiri Srain Project Manager --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: jsrain@suse.com Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 084 659 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 084 001 Czech Republic http://www.suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Jiri Srain wrote:
On 08/15/2013 05:16 PM, Jan Engelhardt wrote:
On Thursday 2013-08-15 16:37, Lukas Ocilka wrote:
Hi,
I've just announced the *Yast Summer Sale* at this blog:
http://kobliha-suse.blogspot.cz/2013/08/yast-modules-summer-sale.html
We are offering some great Yast modules for half the price now!
Is that your way of saying they are maintainerless?
Well, to some extent we are not able to maintain them. Taking ISDN as an example: To test the module (and the full stack), you need an ISDN modem, an ISDN line. Otherwise, you can make sure that the module builds, you can check that it writes some data, but you have no way to check that it is actually any useful.
It makes a lot of sense if a module is maintaned by someone, who has access to (or, even better, actively uses) the specific hardware or sevice. Otherwise, we don't even find if it breaks down due to changes in underlying system.
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (18.7°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am 16.08.2013 10:33, schrieb Per Jessen:
Jiri Srain wrote:
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards.
I would donate some, too. The problem is: usually you don't find computers where you can plug them in anymore, or if you find them, they are no longer supported by openSUSE :-) My collection of ISDN cards: * a handful of ISA cards (Fritz! Card, some others) * some PCI (not PCI Express!) (Telejet(?) 300 chipset IIRC) * PCMCIA (not CardBus, but the ISA based old PCMCIA, a Fritz!Card ISDN PCMCIA and I think an AVM B1 PCMCIA I finally have an USB adapter (Longshine, CologneChip based) that I can use for testing. I even have an ISDN Line :-) I volunteer for some testing, but I surely won't maintain the YaST module :-) To be honest, some of these modules (ISDN, Modem) should IMHO just be abandoned. The technology is dead. For the remaining users, good documentation of the manual configuration is as useful as a YaST module. Because if it is well documented how to configure it manually, people actually know where to start debugging this stuff. But that's just my opinion, If somebody wants to maintain these YaST modules, I'll help them with testing as good as I can. Best regards, Stefan -- Stefan Seyfried Linux Consultant & Developer -- GPG Key: 0x731B665B B1 Systems GmbH Osterfeldstraße 7 / 85088 Vohburg / http://www.b1-systems.de GF: Ralph Dehner / Unternehmenssitz: Vohburg / AG: Ingolstadt,HRB 3537 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 16.08.2013 10:33, schrieb Per Jessen:
Jiri Srain wrote:
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards.
I would donate some, too. The problem is: usually you don't find computers where you can plug them in anymore, or if you find them, they are no longer supported by openSUSE :-)
My collection of ISDN cards: * a handful of ISA cards (Fritz! Card, some others) * some PCI (not PCI Express!) (Telejet(?) 300 chipset IIRC) * PCMCIA (not CardBus, but the ISA based old PCMCIA, a Fritz!Card ISDN PCMCIA and I think an AVM B1 PCMCIA
I have a couple of Eicon Divas (ISA and PCI I think), and some Conrad TA (with HFC chips) (PCI).
To be honest, some of these modules (ISDN, Modem) should IMHO just be abandoned. The technology is dead.
Yeah, we used to have dial-ISDN as a backup for ADSL, but even that's long gone. It might be very different in other parts of the world though. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (20.0°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08/16/2013 11:39 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 16.08.2013 10:33, schrieb Per Jessen:
Jiri Srain wrote:
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards.
I would donate some, too. The problem is: usually you don't find computers where you can plug them in anymore, or if you find them, they are no longer supported by openSUSE :-)
My collection of ISDN cards: * a handful of ISA cards (Fritz! Card, some others) * some PCI (not PCI Express!) (Telejet(?) 300 chipset IIRC) * PCMCIA (not CardBus, but the ISA based old PCMCIA, a Fritz!Card ISDN PCMCIA and I think an AVM B1 PCMCIA
I have a couple of Eicon Divas (ISA and PCI I think), and some Conrad TA (with HFC chips) (PCI).
To be honest, some of these modules (ISDN, Modem) should IMHO just be abandoned. The technology is dead.
Yeah, we used to have dial-ISDN as a backup for ADSL, but even that's long gone. It might be very different in other parts of the world though.
That's the reason not to drop them directly. Would the decision be based only on Europe, it would be clear direction to drop them, but in other parts of the world the situation could be different. DSL module is quite similar situation: Although the technology is still in heavy use, you can hardly buy a DSL modem, which does not include router and needs this module, in the Czech republic any more. Jiri -- Regards, Jiri Srain Project Manager --------------------------------------------------------------------- SUSE LINUX, s.r.o. e-mail: jsrain@suse.com Lihovarska 1060/12 tel: +420 284 084 659 190 00 Praha 9 fax: +420 284 084 001 Czech Republic http://www.suse.com -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Jiri Srain wrote:
On 08/16/2013 11:39 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 16.08.2013 10:33, schrieb Per Jessen:
Jiri Srain wrote:
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards.
I would donate some, too. The problem is: usually you don't find computers where you can plug them in anymore, or if you find them, they are no longer supported by openSUSE :-)
My collection of ISDN cards: * a handful of ISA cards (Fritz! Card, some others) * some PCI (not PCI Express!) (Telejet(?) 300 chipset IIRC) * PCMCIA (not CardBus, but the ISA based old PCMCIA, a Fritz!Card ISDN PCMCIA and I think an AVM B1 PCMCIA
I have a couple of Eicon Divas (ISA and PCI I think), and some Conrad TA (with HFC chips) (PCI).
To be honest, some of these modules (ISDN, Modem) should IMHO just be abandoned. The technology is dead.
Yeah, we used to have dial-ISDN as a backup for ADSL, but even that's long gone. It might be very different in other parts of the world though.
That's the reason not to drop them directly. Would the decision be based only on Europe, it would be clear direction to drop them, but in other parts of the world the situation could be different.
DSL module is quite similar situation: Although the technology is still in heavy use, you can hardly buy a DSL modem, which does not include router and needs this module, in the Czech republic any more.
I think I have such a card somewhere, but AFAIR I never actually got to use it. I think there might even be an open bugreport on IPv6 and PPPoE. -- Per Jessen, Zürich (21.2°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:20:01PM +0200, Jiri Srain wrote:
On 08/16/2013 11:39 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 16.08.2013 10:33, schrieb Per Jessen:
Jiri Srain wrote:
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards.
I would donate some, too. The problem is: usually you don't find computers where you can plug them in anymore, or if you find them, they are no longer supported by openSUSE :-)
My collection of ISDN cards: * a handful of ISA cards (Fritz! Card, some others) * some PCI (not PCI Express!) (Telejet(?) 300 chipset IIRC) * PCMCIA (not CardBus, but the ISA based old PCMCIA, a Fritz!Card ISDN PCMCIA and I think an AVM B1 PCMCIA
I have a couple of Eicon Divas (ISA and PCI I think), and some Conrad TA (with HFC chips) (PCI).
To be honest, some of these modules (ISDN, Modem) should IMHO just be abandoned. The technology is dead.
Yeah, we used to have dial-ISDN as a backup for ADSL, but even that's long gone. It might be very different in other parts of the world though.
That's the reason not to drop them directly. Would the decision be based only on Europe, it would be clear direction to drop them, but in other parts of the world the situation could be different.
Where else in the world is ISDN still used? The kernel side of ISDN hasn't seen changes in a long time, which leads me to believe that no one is really using it anymore. Or that no one is making new ISDN hardware (which is probably the case.) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Greg KH wrote:
On Fri, Aug 16, 2013 at 12:20:01PM +0200, Jiri Srain wrote:
On 08/16/2013 11:39 AM, Per Jessen wrote:
Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 16.08.2013 10:33, schrieb Per Jessen:
Jiri Srain wrote:
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards.
I would donate some, too. The problem is: usually you don't find computers where you can plug them in anymore, or if you find them, they are no longer supported by openSUSE :-)
My collection of ISDN cards: * a handful of ISA cards (Fritz! Card, some others) * some PCI (not PCI Express!) (Telejet(?) 300 chipset IIRC) * PCMCIA (not CardBus, but the ISA based old PCMCIA, a Fritz!Card ISDN PCMCIA and I think an AVM B1 PCMCIA
I have a couple of Eicon Divas (ISA and PCI I think), and some Conrad TA (with HFC chips) (PCI).
To be honest, some of these modules (ISDN, Modem) should IMHO just be abandoned. The technology is dead.
Yeah, we used to have dial-ISDN as a backup for ADSL, but even that's long gone. It might be very different in other parts of the world though.
That's the reason not to drop them directly. Would the decision be based only on Europe, it would be clear direction to drop them, but in other parts of the world the situation could be different.
Where else in the world is ISDN still used?
ISTR India also having a large ISDN network. In general, I suspect ISDN is used for PBXs that have not (yet) switched to VoIP. (for instance, we have two corporate ISDN lines). -- Per Jessen, Zürich (25.5°C) http://www.dns24.ch/ - free DNS hosting, made in Switzerland. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 2013-08-16 11:30, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Am 16.08.2013 10:33, schrieb Per Jessen:
Jiri Srain wrote:
If anyone is interested, I'd be happy to donate some ISDN cards.
I would donate some, too. The problem is: usually you don't find computers where you can plug them in anymore, or if you find them, they are no longer supported by openSUSE :-)
I don't have an ISDN line anymore since 7 years, but I still have all the machinery if you need some, PCI ISDN card included. I ponder free delivery...
My collection of ISDN cards: * a handful of ISA cards (Fritz! Card, some others)
I would argue _those_ really are not used anymore, because the ISA hardware was gone by about 2003. But hey, anybody to take my Sedlbauer Tele S100 ISA card (Telekom-endorsed! No cheap China stuff, at least not officially! :), provided I can find it, be my guest. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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