On 12/12/2011 01:30 PM, Juergen Weigert pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 19:20:23 schrieb C:

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This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?

I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.

I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)

cheers, JW-

Maybe we can have it renamed to "Severely Crippled VLC". It would be a closer match to it's functionality as it is supplied from factory. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

todd rme wrote:

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE wrote:

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On 12/12/2011 01:30 PM, Juergen Weigert pecked at the keyboard and wrote:

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On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote: I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)

Maybe we can have it renamed to "Severely Crippled VLC". It would be a closer match to it's functionality as it is supplied from factory.

Or it can just be set not to publish at all.

The better fix would be to make vlc clearly state why it cannot play certain files. xine for example has a patch added that displays a different screen when run with a restricted set of codecs. However, atm vlc isn't in Factory at all. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 19:30, Juergen Weigert wrote:

On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 19:20:23 schrieb C:

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This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there?  I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?

I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.

I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)

That would help Numptys like me who are testing Factory and Unstable all the time... :-) Is it possible to name it differently? or mark it so it's not published into the repo? (still learning how the build service works) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Claudio Freire wrote:

On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Sven Burmeister wrote:

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I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.

But vlc is based on ffmpeg. Without ffmpeg (the way it's built in OBS), it's severely crippled.

Which brings me to the issue of ffmpeg. ffmpeg supports lots of codecs that are not patent encumbered, theora included. It would be great for this kind of situation to be able to build ffmpeg in OBS (and openSUSE) with only those codecs.

Is there a codec list somewhere?

I doubt it but you could have a look at xine-lib.

I wouldn't mind trying to prepare such an ffmpeg package.

That would be nice. I'd suggest work with Manfred and his package on packman to avoid conflicting work. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org