[opensuse-factory] VLC from KDE4 Factory repo vs Packman?
Just curious... does the VLC that we can install from the openSUSE Factory repo actually play anything? I was beating my head against the wall here today trying to figure out why VLC was unable to play anything on my openSUSE 12.1 install. Normally VLC is the be-all-play-all application on any OS. I tried everything I could think of until it hit me to check where it was installed from... and it was installed from the KDE4 playground Factory repo. I switched over to the VLC from Packman all all my multimedia started working again. This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory? C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 19:20:23 schrieb C:
This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?
I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications. Sven -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 19:20:23 schrieb C:
This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?
I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.
I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.) cheers, JW- -- o \ Juergen Weigert paint it green! __/ _=======.=======_ <V> | jw@suse.de back to ascii! __/ _---|____________\/ \ | 0911 74053-508 __/ (____/ /\ (/) | _____________________________/ _/ \_ vim:set sw=2 wm=8 SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, J.Guild, F.Imendoerffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nuernberg), Maxfeldstrasse 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany SuSE. Supporting Linux since 1992. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/12/2011 01:30 PM, Juergen Weigert pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 19:20:23 schrieb C:
This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?
I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.
I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)
cheers, JW-
Maybe we can have it renamed to "Severely Crippled VLC". It would be a closer match to it's functionality as it is supplied from factory. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> wrote:
On 12/12/2011 01:30 PM, Juergen Weigert pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote: I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)
cheers, JW-
Maybe we can have it renamed to "Severely Crippled VLC". It would be a closer match to it's functionality as it is supplied from factory.
Or it can just be set not to publish at all. -Todd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
todd rme wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 8:46 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE <suse-list3@bout-tyme.net> wrote:
On 12/12/2011 01:30 PM, Juergen Weigert pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote: I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)
Maybe we can have it renamed to "Severely Crippled VLC". It would be a closer match to it's functionality as it is supplied from factory.
Or it can just be set not to publish at all.
The better fix would be to make vlc clearly state why it cannot play certain files. xine for example has a patch added that displays a different screen when run with a restricted set of codecs. However, atm vlc isn't in Factory at all. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 12/12/2011 02:46 PM, Ken Schneider - openSUSE pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On 12/12/2011 01:30 PM, Juergen Weigert pecked at the keyboard and wrote:
On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 19:20:23 schrieb C:
This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?
I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.
I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)
cheers, JW-
Maybe we can have it renamed to "Severely Crippled VLC". It would be a closer match to it's functionality as it is supplied from factory.
Sorry, I meant "supplied from it's repo" as factory does not supply the RPM. -- Ken Schneider SuSe since Version 5.2, June 1998 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 19:30, Juergen Weigert <jw@suse.de> wrote:
On Dec 12, 11 19:27:23 +0100, Sven Burmeister wrote:
Am Montag, 12. Dezember 2011, 19:20:23 schrieb C:
This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?
I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.
I fully agree with Sven. Crippled codec packages are okay as internal build dependencies, but should not ship. (At least not, with a name identical to the original.)
That would help Numptys like me who are testing Factory and Unstable all the time... :-) Is it possible to name it differently? or mark it so it's not published into the repo? (still learning how the build service works) C. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@gmx.net> wrote:
I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.
But vlc is based on ffmpeg. Without ffmpeg (the way it's built in OBS), it's severely crippled. Which brings me to the issue of ffmpeg. ffmpeg supports lots of codecs that are not patent encumbered, theora included. It would be great for this kind of situation to be able to build ffmpeg in OBS (and openSUSE) with only those codecs. Is there a codec list somewhere? I wouldn't mind trying to prepare such an ffmpeg package. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Claudio Freire wrote:
On Mon, Dec 12, 2011 at 3:27 PM, Sven Burmeister <sven.burmeister@gmx.net> wrote:
I guess it's the same reason openSUSE had libxine. You need it to build e.g. phonon-backend-vlc and it should work for e.g. KDE's ogg system notifications.
But vlc is based on ffmpeg. Without ffmpeg (the way it's built in OBS), it's severely crippled.
Which brings me to the issue of ffmpeg. ffmpeg supports lots of codecs that are not patent encumbered, theora included. It would be great for this kind of situation to be able to build ffmpeg in OBS (and openSUSE) with only those codecs.
Is there a codec list somewhere?
I doubt it but you could have a look at xine-lib.
I wouldn't mind trying to prepare such an ffmpeg package.
That would be nice. I'd suggest work with Manfred and his package on packman to avoid conflicting work. cu Ludwig -- (o_ Ludwig Nussel //\ V_/_ http://www.suse.de/ SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hi; On 12/12/2011 07:20 PM, C wrote:
Just curious... does the VLC that we can install from the openSUSE Factory repo actually play anything?
It enables us to build against VLC without legal problems, in the end user can just replace the vlc package by a fully-working one from somewhere else. Regards. -- Ismail Dönmez - openSUSE Booster SUSE LINUX Products GmbH Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GF: Jeff Hawn, Jennifer Guild, Felix Imendörffer, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Mandag den 12. december 2011 19:20:23 skrev C:
Just curious... does the VLC that we can install from the openSUSE Factory repo actually play anything?
I was beating my head against the wall here today trying to figure out why VLC was unable to play anything on my openSUSE 12.1 install. Normally VLC is the be-all-play-all application on any OS. I tried everything I could think of until it hit me to check where it was installed from... and it was installed from the KDE4 playground Factory repo. I switched over to the VLC from Packman all all my multimedia started working again.
This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?
It is *not* included in Factory... you just said yourself you got it from the KDE:Unstable:Playground repo. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Just curious... does the VLC that we can install from the openSUSE Factory repo actually play anything?
I was beating my head against the wall here today trying to figure out why VLC was unable to play anything on my openSUSE 12.1 install. Normally VLC is the be-all-play-all application on any OS. I tried everything I could think of until it hit me to check where it was installed from... and it was installed from the KDE4 playground Factory repo. I switched over to the VLC from Packman all all my multimedia started working again.
This leads me to ask... since VLC in the Factory repo is so severely crippled that it appears to be completely unusable, why is anyone even bothering to put it in there? I understand (and hate) the whole argument around codecs etc... that's not what I am asking here... If the player cannot be used for the vast majority of the videos is it worth the time and effort of including it in Factory?
C. I have used this repo for a long time without problems. # cat /etc/zypp/repos.d/VideoLAN.repo [VideoLAN] name=Short title of NewProject (Factory) enabled=1 autorefresh=0
On 12/12/11 18:20, C wrote: baseurl=http://download.videolan.org/pub/videolan/vlc/SuSE/Factory type=rpm-md gpgcheck=1 keeppackages=1 Regards Sid. -- Sid Boyce ... Hamradio License G3VBV, Licensed Private Pilot, Emeritus IBM/Amdahl Mainframes and Sun/Fujitsu Servers Tech Support Senior Staff Specialist, Cricket Coach Microsoft Windows Free Zone - Linux used for all Computing Tasks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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C -
Claudio Freire -
Ismail Donmez -
Juergen Weigert -
Ken Schneider - openSUSE -
Ludwig Nussel -
Martin Schlander -
Sid Boyce -
Sven Burmeister -
todd rme