On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:21:27PM +0100, Lars Müller wrote:

On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 08:55:19AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Here's a short note as to the status of some recent activity in the openSUSE:Tumbleweed repo:

- kernel packages finally got updated to the latest .37 release thanks to some preload package help. If there are any problems with this, please file bugs, as these will also affect the 11.4 release

A line with

multiversion = provides:multiversion(kernel)

in /etc/zypp/zypp.conf doesn't work even if the previous kernel comes from the Tumbleweed repo too.

As I tried last week to understand how this zypp multi kernel magic works and where it is implemented any help is welcome.

That's wierd. How about: multiversion = provides:multiversion(kernel-default) if "kernel-default" is your kernel package (depends on the arch and machine).

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- LibreOffice has been added to the repo. Any update problems please let me know, it might be a bit wierd with the OpenOffice_org packages being removed, but it worked for me in my testing.

And here all ooo packages got replaced too.

In opposite to the documentation at http://en.opensuse.org/Tumbleweed I call:

zypper up zypper dup --from Tumbleweed

I've currently enabled the oss, non-oss and update 11.3 repositories plus Tumbleweed.

That's what I do, and is what is required. I also just do: 'zypper dup' with no "--from" lines, and if the priorities are all the same, it all should "just work".

The intention is to even get updates and fresh install packages which are not part of the Tumbleweed repository.

Yes, you still need to do that, Tumbleweed is NOT a full replacement for the 11.3 repos, nor will it be a replacement for the 11.4 repos. It's an "add-on". thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 02/04/2011 12:40 AM, Greg KH wrote:

On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:21:27PM +0100, Lars Müller wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 08:55:19AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

Tumbleweed is NOT a full replacement for the 11.3 repos, nor will it be a replacement for the 11.4 repos. It's an "add-on".

I'm very eagerly looking forward to an ever-lasting system. I have been running 11.3 Tumbleweed on a test box and I've kept duping it since the Tumbleweed launch. I was also very happy to get LibreOffice there since I've replaced Ooo some time ago with it. For the future, to know more about these, I have a question: Two installations: # 1. Current 11.3, and I keep duping it as 11.3 Tumbleweed. # 2. 11.4 when out, and I keep duping it as 11.4 Tumbleweed. Will I have two different ever-running installations? Or, will they be the same along time, or will 11.3 be discontinued along time and 11.4 will become _the_ ever-running dream of mine? When the current 11.2 comes to EOL I'm wishing to update my server as well as a few machines of friends that I maintain. I'm just not sure about which path to take. Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) 2.6.34.7-0.7-default -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 02/04/2011 05:21 PM, Greg KH wrote:

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 05:04:22PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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On 02/04/2011 12:40 AM, Greg KH wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 11:21:27PM +0100, Lars Müller wrote:

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On Thu, Feb 03, 2011 at 08:55:19AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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Tumbleweed is NOT a full replacement for the 11.3 repos, nor will it be a replacement for the 11.4 repos. It's an "add-on".

I'm very eagerly looking forward to an ever-lasting system.

I have been running 11.3 Tumbleweed on a test box and I've kept duping it since the Tumbleweed launch.

I was also very happy to get LibreOffice there since I've replaced Ooo some time ago with it.

For the future, to know more about these, I have a question:

Two installations:

# 1. Current 11.3, and I keep duping it as 11.3 Tumbleweed.

# 2. 11.4 when out, and I keep duping it as 11.4 Tumbleweed.

Stop right there, that will not be possible.

Tumbleweed will _ALWAYS_ be based on the latest release, there will not be a 11.3 Tumbleweed and a 11.4 Tumbleweed. Just "Tumbleweed".

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Will I have two different ever-running installations? Or,

No, your first one would break in lots of interesting ways as it would not work when 11.4 comes out, or it might just not allow any future updates as the packages would be for a different "base" release.

hope this helps,

It didn't much, sorry. I'll try again: Case 1: I have 11.3 in one machine and I'll keep Tumbleweeding it. Where will this lead me to? And for how long? Case 2: I install 11.4 on another machine and then keep Tumbleweeding that. Where will this lead me to? And for how long? What I'd like is like to jump on one train and stay there. Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.3 (x86_64) 2.6.34.7-0.7-default -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Le 04/02/2011 19:57, Stefan Seyfried a écrit :

Same procedure, once 11.5 comes out: remove 11.4 repos and add 11.5 => zypper dup.

could it be possible to have a link "latest" or "current" to have the repos changed automagically? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net http://pizzanetti.fr -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 07:57:51PM +0100, Stefan Seyfried wrote:

On Fri, 04 Feb 2011 17:21:09 +0200 Vahis wrote:

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Case 1: I have 11.3 in one machine and I'll keep Tumbleweeding it. Where will this lead me to? And for how long?

Once 11.4 is out, you keep the tumbleweed repos, remove the 11.3 repos and add the 11.4 repos. Then you keep "zypper dup"'ing.

Same procedure, once 11.5 comes out: remove 11.4 repos and add 11.5 => zypper dup.

You are exactly right.

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Case 2: I install 11.4 on another machine and then keep Tumbleweeding that. Where will this lead me to? And for how long?

It will not be the same as the 11.3 based one, but will become similar over time.

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What I'd like is like to jump on one train and stay there.

Then Tumbleweed is for you.

Disclaimer: this is how I understood the issues. I might be wrong.

Nope, you are correct, this is how it looks like it will work. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 04:24:19PM +0100, Petr Baudis wrote:

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 07:21:34AM -0800, Greg KH wrote:

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No, your first one would break in lots of interesting ways as it would not work when 11.4 comes out, or it might just not allow any future updates as the packages would be for a different "base" release.

Will there be a sane upgrade path for Tumbleweed users when 11.4 comes out, or should people expect to reinstall at that point?

No reinstall is ever needed, just point your base repos at 11.4 and do 'zypper dup' and update.

(Though, considering at all the funny ways even regular openSUSE almost-but-not-quite works across upgrades...)

File bugs if it doesn't work, it's worked just fine for me for a number of releases upgraded this way. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 04:24:53PM +0100, C wrote:

On Fri, Feb 4, 2011 at 16:21, Greg KH wrote:

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On Fri, Feb 04, 2011 at 05:04:22PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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# 1. Current 11.3, and I keep duping it as 11.3 Tumbleweed.

# 2. 11.4 when out, and I keep duping it as 11.4 Tumbleweed.

Stop right there, that will not be possible.

Tumbleweed will _ALWAYS_ be based on the latest release, there will not be a 11.3 Tumbleweed and a 11.4 Tumbleweed.  Just "Tumbleweed".

So... just to be clear... if someone is starting with a base of 11.3, plus Tumbleweed... there should, in theory, be no need to reinstall/upgrade to 11.4? As long as this user keeps upgrading with Tumbleweed, they are current What about the other release specific repos that were a part of 11.3?

As was pointed out, you will need to change your "base" repos to point to 11.4. You will not need to change your tumbleweed repo pointer.

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Will I have two different ever-running installations? Or,

No, your first one would break in lots of interesting ways as it would not work when 11.4 comes out, or it might just not allow any future updates as the packages would be for a different "base" release.

So how do you "fix" that if you're using Tumbleweed on 11.3?

You change your base repo to point to 11.4, Tumbleweed will never be supported for any older release. Heck, it's not even reall "supported" for 11.3 today, you had better know what you are doing if you want to use it right now :) thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On 02/05/2011 05:37 PM, Greg KH wrote:

On Sat, Feb 05, 2011 at 01:51:57PM +0200, Vahis wrote:

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I'm not quite sure about this but here's an observation, with LXDE: This sympton came with Tumbleweed, I think kernel change did it.

This occurs in KDE as well if that matters.

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The kernel has been updated a few times. After a change it could be that when the screen saver got activated and later the screen got blanked it just stayed that way, no matter what.

There was no other way than power button or Sysrq killing x. Some version of kernel didn't have that, the current again has it.

My cure or workaround, from terminal, has been:

xset s noblank

It also works when I add that to /etc/xdg/lxsession/LXDE/autostart

Does my observation make any sense?

Kind of, it seems quite odd that the kernel would matter here.

I just noticed it after kernel changes. But those are the ones I keep my eye on :) Anyway, it's something that came with Tumbleweed.

Are you using the Intel 3d graphics module?

No.

Anyway, please file a bug, that's the best way to get this resolved.

thanks,

greg k-h

Bug 669780 Submitted Vahis -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org