Re: [opensuse-factory] Plan for 11.2?
Am Freitag 19 Dezember 2008 15:19:20 schrieb Larry Stotler:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:05 AM, ab <spam@abittner.de> wrote:
theres already a 11.2 schedule discussion on the other list <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2008-12/msg00025.html>
Boy this irritates me:
From: Michael Loeffler
First we talked about July '09 release to come close to an 8 months release cycle. But KDE 4.3 is scheduled for release on June 30th and probably an OpenOffice.org release will be out end of June as well - both wouldn't make it into a July openSUSE 11.2. Therfor we're now thinking about a September release. Beside of getting the most current OpenOffice and KDE in
Why?
I asked for a delay for KDE 4.2 and was shot down because of the 6 month cycle. Now they are talking about a 9 month and what I had asked for..........
Yes, you asked for it far after the schedule has been fixed. And even, when such a delay should have been considered, It would have been really impossible to switch to KDE4.2 that fast over christmas holidays. Maybe, those KDE wirzards working at SUSE could have made it, but it is impossible to be sure about that. Now we are lucky, that the release of KDE4.3 (and some other important releases, too) and openSUSE 11.2 will be a good match, even if KDE4.3 would be released a little bit later than planned. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hey! Thanks for hijacking the thread when it was specifically started with: "It's not when it's available but more what Novell want's to achieve with it." So I'd love if anyone would care to discsuss where we want to go, rather than when. How tha h... should we now when when nobody has a clue about what's going in? and as a side note, I think we sould care LESS about KDE 4.1 vs 4.2 or Gnome 2.x. It's what the users can get done withn it that counts. Both current major desktops are usable for years to come..... Maybe a new thread should be started or is factory not the right place to discuss contents? cu 2008/12/19 Herbert Graeber <lists@graeber-clan.de>:
Am Freitag 19 Dezember 2008 15:19:20 schrieb Larry Stotler:
On Fri, Dec 19, 2008 at 4:05 AM, ab <spam@abittner.de> wrote:
theres already a 11.2 schedule discussion on the other list <http://lists.opensuse.org/opensuse-project/2008-12/msg00025.html>
Boy this irritates me:
From: Michael Loeffler
First we talked about July '09 release to come close to an 8 months release cycle. But KDE 4.3 is scheduled for release on June 30th and probably an OpenOffice.org release will be out end of June as well - both wouldn't make it into a July openSUSE 11.2. Therfor we're now thinking about a September release. Beside of getting the most current OpenOffice and KDE in
Why?
I asked for a delay for KDE 4.2 and was shot down because of the 6 month cycle. Now they are talking about a 9 month and what I had asked for..........
Yes, you asked for it far after the schedule has been fixed. And even, when such a delay should have been considered, It would have been really impossible to switch to KDE4.2 that fast over christmas holidays. Maybe, those KDE wirzards working at SUSE could have made it, but it is impossible to be sure about that.
Now we are lucky, that the release of KDE4.3 (and some other important releases, too) and openSUSE 11.2 will be a good match, even if KDE4.3 would be released a little bit later than planned.
Herbert
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2008/12/20 Birger Kollstrand <birger.kollstrand@googlemail.com>:
and as a side note, I think we sould care LESS about KDE 4.1 vs 4.2 or Gnome 2.x. It's what the users can get done withn it that counts. Both current major desktops are usable for years to come.....
Not the opinion of many KDE-3.5.x users, who have not been converted by KDE4 yet, it's getting better but, 4.3 is going to be an important release, for KDE. If it's not right again in 4.3, then the community will want a 3.5 release, that can't be included officially because noone wants to commit to maintenance for 2+ more years.
Maybe a new thread should be started or is factory not the right place to discuss contents?
People need a reason to upgrade, and improvements to rarely used tools like Installers and Partitioners, won't cut much ice. So your idea of looking at features is good. This was addressed to you, so may be discussion can progress if you consider it. 2008/12/17 Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov@suse.cz>:
On Wednesday 17 December 2008 15:25:27 Birger Kollstrand wrote:
11. a standard yast module for server setup of net install of machines. This will aid in testing when there is a lot of machine variants to test. Easy restore to original config would be good also. (All server based :-) ) I have 15+ different computeres that I can test with , but it's to much work going back and forth now so I just use 2.
What is missing in yast2-instserver? And for restoring configuration, you can use autoyast Create Profile function and then deploy via autoyast. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Rob OpenSuSE schreef:
2008/12/20 Birger Kollstrand <birger.kollstrand@googlemail.com>:
and as a side note, I think we sould care LESS about KDE 4.1 vs 4.2 or Gnome 2.x. It's what the users can get done withn it that counts. Both current major desktops are usable for years to come.....
Not the opinion of many KDE-3.5.x users, who have not been converted by KDE4 yet, it's getting better but, 4.3 is going to be an important release, for KDE. If it's not right again in 4.3, then the community will want a 3.5 release, that can't be included officially because noone wants to commit to maintenance for 2+ more years.
The 4 is getting better, you just have to loosen the ties from the 3, and let it go.. it is the past already. ;)
Maybe a new thread should be started or is factory not the right place to discuss contents?
People need a reason to upgrade, and improvements to rarely used tools like Installers and Partitioners, won't cut much ice. So your idea of looking at features is good.
The polar caps are almost melted down, so if you want to cut ice, you have to be quick. The tools you mention, were very surely up to an overhaul, and they still have to be tuned, but look much and much better than before. Installer, partitioner and upgrade tools are the most important of the distro. They decide wetter people do- or don't like a distro to work with. They are, so to speak, the 'Masters of Trust', you are willing to trust your hardware to. (in the past there were many discussions about this.) The handles for new and existing hardware have to be there, and if possible, simple and understandable.. and Birger, i think you have a point there in this post ;) As always webstandards have to be included, how difficult this always may sound, as also full media support. As i notice still, is the not always flawlessly working networking and video hardware drivers... It would be very nice, if there would be made a breaktrough in these matters, surely when adding extra time before the next release.
This was addressed to you, so may be discussion can progress if you consider it.
2008/12/17 Stanislav Visnovsky <visnov@suse.cz>:
On Wednesday 17 December 2008 15:25:27 Birger Kollstrand wrote:
11. a standard yast module for server setup of net install of machines. This will aid in testing when there is a lot of machine variants to test. Easy restore to original config would be good also. (All server based :-) ) I have 15+ different computeres that I can test with , but it's to much work going back and forth now so I just use 2.
What is missing in yast2-instserver? And for restoring configuration, you can use autoyast Create Profile function and then deploy via autoyast.
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Le samedi 20 décembre 2008, à 14:23 +0100, Birger Kollstrand a écrit :
Hey!
Thanks for hijacking the thread when it was specifically started with:
"It's not when it's available but more what Novell want's to achieve with it."
I hope you mean s/Novell/the community/. Vincent -- Les gens heureux ne sont pas pressés. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Y2008/12/20 Vincent Untz <vuntz@opensuse.org>:
Le samedi 20 décembre 2008, à 14:23 +0100, Birger Kollstrand a écrit :
Hey!
Thanks for hijacking the thread when it was specifically started with:
"It's not when it's available but more what Novell want's to achieve with it."
I hope you mean s/Novell/the community/.
Vincent
Yes, ...... and no. The community expresses what it wants via the malinglists, wikis and bugzillas. So that is quite open. What Novell wnat's is for me quite blank. And I really would like to know as I do belive that a good product is best made with a strong comany supporting a strong community. cu
Am Samstag 20 Dezember 2008 14:23:25 schrieb Birger Kollstrand:
Thanks for hijacking the thread when it was specifically started with:
"It's not when it's available but more what Novell want's to achieve with it."
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I haven't. Sure. I have answered to a mail of Larry Stottler in this thread I will see, if I can get enough Information for a kmail bug report. Herbert -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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