[opensuse-factory] recommended way to install tumbleweed?
Hello, I try to install Tumbleweeb on a Dell Optiplex 755 with 4Gb ram and it fails repetidly net install, the officially recommended way fails with a lot of errors (package not found), kde do not install, xfce neither. live kde boots and run without problem the main problem looks like grub can't install, even with the minimal install (no graphical, no osprobe...) the usual method of rescue (mount --bind then chroot) fails with chroot error last time I installed Tw, I could install 13.2, change repos and zypper dup, but now with Leap I don't think it's still possible of course I can still install 13.2, but I rather think there must be something easier! anyway install of 13.2 works like a charm... and by the way sha1 from this page https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Tumbleweed_installation or http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/iso/ at least for 64 bits Net install do not fit on the first page the link go to "current" and the iso links to "media", the sha1 are different and none fits the iso sha1 #sha1sum openSUSE-Tumbleweed-NET-x86_64-Snapshot20160105-Media.iso 546d4c08ef6123ea45c812d8690440e767f5069a openSUSE-Tumbleweed-NET-x86_64-Snapshot20160105-Media.iso (same result with two different downloads) and sha file: -----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 2fe79354b86b6e02810f1dd4bbc90d21b579c054425102996404859f95a1c955 openSUSE-Tumbleweed-NET-i586-Snapshot20160105-Media.iso -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.0.7 (GNU/Linux) iQEVAwUBVowDQ7iLL9Q9vcKEAQhyqwf/REU/+Xs6H2+p//G6c+H9mmGSnKtVHe0+ aCfPCvRUVK96cuLPoq4LkPe1eu8JnOHQvNRdfOL+yONiSEwxoOZHu5X6rWMlTeMx 0ng7OgvIDSsXBqAXOxNmpj8EPDw5hsXbRIcKmzVGfrvtriGZwnZK1LRWfdTw4qe+ sdyNWIE7lr+fPWEHY+0ZVcBcwUKhqmQZgwuwQQ2/WgfB0xmmZ+mr+GGJ3piV04Im 2XkuzFeOLzATMid+YQS6zC69pteWkPnOnpI+YfQoWpP3U4Kfxsd2y0TruBhEuIfs FHYbOqw0JwGqN64NRUZkSZkVf5WiMPZIA6OahgTZuhq75ABEH/hlhw== =+SDM -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- sha1sum -c openSUSE-Tumbleweed-NET-i586-Snapshot20160105-Media.iso.sha256 sha1sum: openSUSE-Tumbleweed-NET-i586-Snapshot20160105-Media.iso.sha256 : aucune ligne de somme de contrôle SHA1 trouvée jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd composed on 2016-01-08 00:15 (UTC+0100):
I try to install Tumbleweeb on a Dell Optiplex 755 with 4Gb ram and it fails repetidly
FWIW, I have TW installed on Optiplexes: 620 745 760 780 as well as many other machines. All installations are fully funcitonal on multiboot and were done via HTTP, initialized via Grub loading previously downloaded installation kernel and initrd. A 755 I don't have, but it has been told to me that the 755 has a BIOS that not unusually causes installation trouble with Linux, so you may want to investigate outside the openSUSE forums for possible clues to your trouble. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 00:39, Felix Miata a écrit :
can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean
<HS> yes, it's a detailed bios, but with somewhat curious results. The default bios config for drives makes it impossible to install... Windows (7, originally delivered with vista :-(()) There are 4 (don't remember) disk setup, raid auto (two options), raid always, legacy. problem is when you have two disks default is one of the raid auto option, that allows linux, but not Windows. I could install Debian jessie on the second disk with it. other raid option allows Windows on the first disk, but the second one can't be booted Legacy don't works with two disks So I had to validate "Raid always" (Same as my main HP machine) and wait at each boot the time the raid bios sees there is no raid :-(), then I can install anything. </HS> but this have nothing to see with TW (hopefully). TW install fails to find (NET install) at least some packages (many libwx_gtk... ones - I got some camera screen copies. boot works with grub, but then you get a lot of red [FAIL] to mount... for BTRFS subvolumes, and even /home. even booting with "3" (without X) don't succeed I now have the TW dvd, I will try to install from there, but I could install 13.2 without any problem. sha1 numbers for TW are broken, so i can't verify the isos, may be it's only a corrupted iso problem (but I doubt it) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd composed on 2016-01-08 08:38 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata :
can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean
1-create lots of partitions on a HD 2-install a bootloader on a partition 3-install some linux on another partition 4-configure original bootloader to boot linux 5-install another linux on another partition 6-repeat #4 7-download an installation kernel and initrd, e.g. from http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/boot/x86_64/loa... or http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/boot/x86_64/loader/ and place on bootloader's partition 8-configure a stanza for original bootloader to load downloaded kernel and initrd 9-initialize a linux HTTP installation from the bootloader stanza https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation#Media_free_network_installa... -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 09:04, Felix Miata a écrit :
3-install some linux on another partition
I guess without bootloader
4-configure original bootloader to boot linux
well, TW don't boot (no inird)
not yet tried. not obvious. I tried to copy the kernel and initrd of 13.2 on the TW /boot folder and boot from there but I booted 13.2, not TW how can I build an initrd for TW the usual chroot fails with "failed to run command */bin/bash*:Exec format error" that said no normal TW install succeed for me :-( thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd composed on 2016-01-08 11:35 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
3-install some linux on another partition
I guess without bootloader
Depends. If it only offers Grub2, then yes, without, and I install it later so that it can be chainloaded to. I never install bootloader to MBR. Most booting here is done directly from active primary partition with Grub that I install and manage. It does not get mounted ever to /boot. On some machines I use IBM's Boot Manager from OS/2, in effect always chainloading Linux, instead of using Grub on a primary. openSUSE's and Fedora's Grub2 has never been installed on any of my own machines. I tried Mageia's Grub2 once or twice before removing it. My only Grub2 installations are on *buntus and maybe a Linuxmint or two. Those installers corrupt the partition table, forcing me to delete and recreate the first logical after any time they write to one.
4-configure original bootloader to boot linux
well, TW don't boot (no inird)
Ouch!
https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation#Media_free_network_installa...
not yet tried. not obvious.
This is the last installation stanza I used: title Install openSUSE 42.1 download.opensuse.org kernel (hd0,0)/os421/linux showopts install=http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ hostname=myhost hostip=192.168.###.###/24 gateway=192.168.###.### nameserver=192.168.###.### kexec_reboot=0 ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume video=1024x768@60 vga=791 initrd (hd0,0)/os421/initrd -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 12:04, Felix Miata a écrit :
you mean I can copy this and grub will download all what is necessary (with correct IP, of course)? but by the way this do not allow to debug TW install :-) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Friday 08 January 2016 00:15:02 jdd wrote:
Yes, I would also not recommend this as Leap is based on quite a different set. But if a snapshot of Tumbleweed fails you could use an older one or just 13.2.
You are making the mistake of calculating sha1sum when it actually is sha256sum as correctly specified in the checksum filename as well as on the wikipage. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 08, jdd wrote:
net install, the officially recommended way fails with a lot of errors (package not found), kde do not install, xfce neither.
This sounds like the kernel does not support the hardware. Without details one can just guess. Open a terminal with alt+ctrl+shift+x and run dmesg to check for IO errors. Olaf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 11:50, Olaf Hering a écrit :
first errors are from missing software I got some camera shots, see here http://dodin.org/owncloud/index.php/s/oQifQhkrHmDNgTC and how can I run anything on an not bootable install? jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 08/01/2016 15:00, jdd ha scritto:
So hardware should be well supported.. Sylly question but did you check the installation media ? You shold try with less outdated distro to see if there is a regression in newer kernel.. Sorry I can't help you more. Daniele. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 08, jdd wrote:
I got some camera shots, see here
Not very helpful. alt+ctrl+shift+x works in the installer, check if dmesg contains IO errors. Or inspect /var/log/YaST2/y2log why some packages can not be installed. Olaf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 14:27, Olaf Hering a écrit :
of course! Stupid me I didn't think yast logged icluding during install. I tgzipped the hole Yastlog folder and add it to the tw folder http://dodin.org/owncloud/index.php/s/oQifQhkrHmDNgTC if you want some component in clear here, ask :-) (of course it's only very last test logs, the one with dvd) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 15:35, Olaf Hering a écrit :
don't forget I access the system from an other install, mounting the disk in /mnt there is no more messages in var log, how can I find the journal? thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 08, jdd wrote:
there is no more messages in var log, how can I find the journal?
By doing the installation once again, one the first error popup appears press ctrl+alt+shift+x and run 'dmesg | less -S', then look for IO errors. The initial dmesg output is /var/log/boot* I think. Olaf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 16:20, Olaf Hering a écrit :
I will do this, but as far as I remember this images is from the log windows: http://dodin.org/owncloud/index.php/apps/files/?dir=%2Fopensuse%2Ftw#/opensu... jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 16:20, Olaf Hering a écrit :
Well... from TW dvd, minimal x install *succeed*!! I saved the dmesg content, just in case, but it's probably not worth sharing. I had a curious message in the install summary, saying that no place was selected for grub stage 1, but in fact extended part was selected, and I didn't touch anything. The osprober part was very long (more than a minute), but the starting menu is complete (and I have at least 4 systems on this computer) I will now use yast to instal more thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Fri, Jan 08, 2016 at 04:04:43PM +0100, jdd wrote:
there is no more messages in var log, how can I find the journal?
Use 'journalctl', without arguments you can just page around using the default less keys (/ ? & etc are handy for searching). It also does lots of nifty things, like narrowing in on a particular set of boot logs - 'man journalctl' for lots of details :) Daniel -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 16:20, Daniel Morris a écrit :
not in a failed install that don't boot. where is located the systemd message? if it is in /var/log/journal, this is empty jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
I give an answer to my question: I finally could make a successful install with the 64 bits dvd (20160105) and minial X install. Then I could add xfce, then kde we no problem other than having to change widows manager manually. thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd composed on 2016-01-08 00:15 (UTC+0100):
I try to install Tumbleweeb on a Dell Optiplex 755 with 4Gb ram and it fails repetidly
FWIW, I have TW installed on Optiplexes: 620 745 760 780 as well as many other machines. All installations are fully funcitonal on multiboot and were done via HTTP, initialized via Grub loading previously downloaded installation kernel and initrd. A 755 I don't have, but it has been told to me that the 755 has a BIOS that not unusually causes installation trouble with Linux, so you may want to investigate outside the openSUSE forums for possible clues to your trouble. -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 00:39, Felix Miata a écrit :
can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean
<HS> yes, it's a detailed bios, but with somewhat curious results. The default bios config for drives makes it impossible to install... Windows (7, originally delivered with vista :-(()) There are 4 (don't remember) disk setup, raid auto (two options), raid always, legacy. problem is when you have two disks default is one of the raid auto option, that allows linux, but not Windows. I could install Debian jessie on the second disk with it. other raid option allows Windows on the first disk, but the second one can't be booted Legacy don't works with two disks So I had to validate "Raid always" (Same as my main HP machine) and wait at each boot the time the raid bios sees there is no raid :-(), then I can install anything. </HS> but this have nothing to see with TW (hopefully). TW install fails to find (NET install) at least some packages (many libwx_gtk... ones - I got some camera screen copies. boot works with grub, but then you get a lot of red [FAIL] to mount... for BTRFS subvolumes, and even /home. even booting with "3" (without X) don't succeed I now have the TW dvd, I will try to install from there, but I could install 13.2 without any problem. sha1 numbers for TW are broken, so i can't verify the isos, may be it's only a corrupted iso problem (but I doubt it) jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd composed on 2016-01-08 08:38 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata :
can you elaborate? I don't understand what you mean
1-create lots of partitions on a HD 2-install a bootloader on a partition 3-install some linux on another partition 4-configure original bootloader to boot linux 5-install another linux on another partition 6-repeat #4 7-download an installation kernel and initrd, e.g. from http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/boot/x86_64/loa... or http://download.opensuse.org/tumbleweed/repo/oss/boot/x86_64/loader/ and place on bootloader's partition 8-configure a stanza for original bootloader to load downloaded kernel and initrd 9-initialize a linux HTTP installation from the bootloader stanza https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation#Media_free_network_installa... -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 09:04, Felix Miata a écrit :
3-install some linux on another partition
I guess without bootloader
4-configure original bootloader to boot linux
well, TW don't boot (no inird)
not yet tried. not obvious. I tried to copy the kernel and initrd of 13.2 on the TW /boot folder and boot from there but I booted 13.2, not TW how can I build an initrd for TW the usual chroot fails with "failed to run command */bin/bash*:Exec format error" that said no normal TW install succeed for me :-( thanks -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
jdd composed on 2016-01-08 11:35 (UTC+0100):
Felix Miata composed:
3-install some linux on another partition
I guess without bootloader
Depends. If it only offers Grub2, then yes, without, and I install it later so that it can be chainloaded to. I never install bootloader to MBR. Most booting here is done directly from active primary partition with Grub that I install and manage. It does not get mounted ever to /boot. On some machines I use IBM's Boot Manager from OS/2, in effect always chainloading Linux, instead of using Grub on a primary. openSUSE's and Fedora's Grub2 has never been installed on any of my own machines. I tried Mageia's Grub2 once or twice before removing it. My only Grub2 installations are on *buntus and maybe a Linuxmint or two. Those installers corrupt the partition table, forcing me to delete and recreate the first logical after any time they write to one.
4-configure original bootloader to boot linux
well, TW don't boot (no inird)
Ouch!
https://en.opensuse.org/SDB:Network_installation#Media_free_network_installa...
not yet tried. not obvious.
This is the last installation stanza I used: title Install openSUSE 42.1 download.opensuse.org kernel (hd0,0)/os421/linux showopts install=http://download.opensuse.org/distribution/leap/42.1/repo/oss/ hostname=myhost hostip=192.168.###.###/24 gateway=192.168.###.### nameserver=192.168.###.### kexec_reboot=0 ipv6.disable=1 net.ifnames=0 noresume video=1024x768@60 vga=791 initrd (hd0,0)/os421/initrd -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Le 08/01/2016 12:04, Felix Miata a écrit :
you mean I can copy this and grub will download all what is necessary (with correct IP, of course)? but by the way this do not allow to debug TW install :-) thanks jdd -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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