On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 18:38 -0400, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:

Alexey Eremenko escribió:

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I believe SUSE should not be limited by Xen-only approach.

and I believe openSUSE should do one thing, and do it right, not many half working virtualization alternatives.

You wrote about OpenSuSE: But isn't that the essential idea behind "the open source community"? Walk all paths (by the people who know what they are doing). The best (working/supported) solution will gain the most users. If you only present a single option, people can not choose... (Same goes with kde/gnome any many other sw-packages, not?) If the O.P. can develop a working xen-alternative and put it on the build-server: fine by all means. Community, and the suse team will look at it and evalute it. If it's more-of-the-same, it won't be picked up. If it's better, or has more potential, well, who knows... -- pgp-id: 926EBB12 pgp-fingerprint: BE97 1CBF FAC4 236C 4A73 F76E EDFC D032 926E BB12 Registered linux user: 75761 (http://counter.li.org) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

What usually happens is someone like alexey, who cant even open bugs correctly wanting to manage the opensuse distribution (and by managing I mean giving orders to other people, thinking he is the boss in charge), but he is no that manager and making people waste time with that, and the topics he create only cause spurious noise, and no concrete actions.

There is only one who causes noise here - it's you ! -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Monday 25 June 2007 10:17:30 wrote Adrian Schröter:

On Sunday 24 June 2007 11:11:35 wrote Hans Witvliet:

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On Sat, 2007-06-23 at 18:38 -0400, Cristian Rodriguez R. wrote:

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Alexey Eremenko escribió:

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I believe SUSE should not be limited by Xen-only approach.

and I believe openSUSE should do one thing, and do it right, not many half working virtualization alternatives.

You wrote about OpenSuSE: But isn't that the essential idea behind "the open source community"? Walk all paths (by the people who know what they are doing). The best (working/supported) solution will gain the most users.

If you only present a single option, people can not choose... (Same goes with kde/gnome any many other sw-packages, not?)

If the O.P. can develop a working xen-alternative and put it on the build-server: fine by all means. Community, and the suse team will look at it and evalute it. If it's more-of-the-same, it won't be picked up. If it's better, or has more potential, well, who knows...

To avoid such problems, we created the "Project Modell" in the build service. This means that everything can get available there under the way and control by the people who contributing to that project.

But this does not mean that everything has to go to Factory. There are even additional rules which needs to be fullfilled for Factory like:

* common user interesst ( I think this is true for openVZ ). * quality and esp. security design flaws needs to be checked before * Maintainance needs to be ensured for two years. That needs a person who understand the code internals and can backport or create fixes for the version which was part of the release. Can we ensure this ?

I forgot to mention ... In general, I agree that we should have only one solution and do it right with this one. But I see that there are different use-cases for XEN and openVZ. XEN can be used for supporting complete different systems, while openVZ is usually used to create effizient multiple instances of the same system. bye adrian -- Adrian Schroeter SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) email: adrian@suse.de --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

He just didn't complain. He asked a question, and maybe he didn't know the existence of http://benjiweber.co.uk:8080/webpin/.

Bernard, how could he possibly not know about that, since he is so into virtualization, and even is volunteering to leader and manage the way its done in opensuse? If he was running it he should know better 1) Searching for openvz in en.opensuse.org brings all that information, including the BS repo 2) sarchng for "openvz opensuse" in google brings all that information 3) searching for opensuse in openvz.org brings all that information So how could he possibly not know, if he is so into the virtualization field? I will answer, my guess is that its just lot of bullshit that he invents in his mind and keeps vomiting it in here (and bugzilla) in a non sense way. Last month it was virtual box, now its this openvz thing. Everytime he feels like something for some random reason, he thinks "oh suse, should do this right now because Im demanding" and keeps bugging everybody about it in the lists and bugzilla. A week later, it starts all over, with a different topic. Come on. It was the opensuse list, now here... Whats next, alexey? regards Marcio --- Druid --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

A week later, it starts all over, with a different topic.

Come on.

It was the opensuse list, now here... Whats next, alexey?

Yes, I request additions of packages, but it is due to lack of some features in openSUSE. Hope someday I will learn to build them myself, but I'm not close to doing that... The next thing.... huh... will be another missing feature I guess :) On my side, I do a job of documenting those features, as you may find here: http://forgeftp.novell.com/lfl/.html/ Yes, I have big interest of improving virtualization at different levels. I understand virtualization well. Xen is just one of the options, and in my opinion not the best one. More diversity for different needs would be good. About OpenVZ kernel: This kernel fails to load "vzmon", the primary OpenVZ service: opensuse102:/home/alexey # modprobe vzmon FATAL: Error inserting vzmon (/lib/modules/2.6.16.43-027test002-24.1-ovz/kernel/kernel/vzmon.ko): Unknown symbol in module, or unknown parameter (see dmesg) opensuse102:/home/alexey # dmesg | grep vzmon vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_snmp_proc_init vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_free vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_ndisc_init vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_ifdown vzmon: Unknown symbol fini_ve_route6 vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_init vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_snmp_proc_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_ndisc_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol init_ve_route6 vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_snmp_proc_init vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_free vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_ndisc_init vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_ifdown vzmon: Unknown symbol fini_ve_route6 vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_init vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_snmp_proc_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_ndisc_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol init_ve_route6 vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_snmp_proc_init vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_free vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_ndisc_init vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_ifdown vzmon: Unknown symbol fini_ve_route6 vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_init vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_snmp_proc_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol ve_ndisc_fini vzmon: Unknown symbol init_ve_route6 vzmon: Unknown symbol addrconf_sysctl_fini About other OpenVZ kernels: All official kernels are RedHat-based, and don't work on SUSE, compiling with official patches fails as well, so basically the only way I got a _working_ OVZ solution, is by copying the binary kernel, along with it's modules from OVZ LiveCD. -- -Alexey Eremenko "Technologov" --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

* Alexey Eremenko [2007-06-24 21:43]:

whom to ask to fix the broken kernel?

Which broken kernel? Thanks, Bernhard --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org