Re: [opensuse-factory] Why don't we change to cdrtools ?
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From: Joerg Schilling <Joerg.Schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de>
Thank you for giving me the OK for mentioning Suse as OSS hostile company on my web pages.
Be prepared for being sued because of the copyright violations.
And I thought OSS (mainly the GPL) was based on copyleft rather than copyright. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:00:25 +0200, you wrote:
And I thought OSS (mainly the GPL) was based on copyleft rather than copyright.
At least in german law you *never* loose your copyright. You can transfer the right of commercial exploitation but unlike anglo-saxton law you can't sell the copyright itself. Only the GPL is based on copyleft, there are lots of other OSS licenses that retain the copyright. See the BSD license for a prominent example. Philipp -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Philipp Thomas <Philipp.Thomas2@gmx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:00:25 +0200, you wrote:
And I thought OSS (mainly the GPL) was based on copyleft rather than copyright.
At least in german law you *never* loose your copyright. You can transfer the right of commercial exploitation but unlike anglo-saxton law you can't sell the copyright itself.
Only the GPL is based on copyleft, there are lots of other OSS licenses that retain the copyright. See the BSD license for a prominent example.
Most of what is commonly believed about the GPL is wrong even in the USA. Please read this: http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf to learn what cannot be enforced in court even in the USA. It seems that the US legal system (with repsect to the Copyright) is not too different from what is usual in the rest of the world. A common mistake is to believe the GPL FAQ from the FSF that is mostly unrelated to the GPL text. The main difference between Europe and the USA is that you cannot give up the Copyright in Europe and that you cannot establish a contract that tries to break the law. As a funny side note: the wife of Eric Raymond is lawyer and she wrote a paper that verifies that even in the USA, people with minor contributions cannot govern important facts for "marketing" which in OSS terms means e.g. chosing the license. This verifies, that you need to ask at most 20 people is you like to change the license that is used for the Linux kernel. The EU law system is mainly based on German and French legal system. Many other countries in the worls did copy the legal system from France or Germany (Turkey did e.g. mainly copy the German system). The reason is that the modern legal system in European countries is based on the "Code Nepoleon" - a late result from the french revolution. Many areas have been occupoed by Nepoleon and inherited the French legal system or (if they have not been occupied by Napoleon) they forced their land lords to convert to a legal system that gives more freedom. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Philipp Thomas <Philipp.Thomas2@gmx.net> wrote:
On Wed, 05 Aug 2009 21:00:25 +0200, you wrote:
And I thought OSS (mainly the GPL) was based on copyleft rather than copyright.
At least in german law you *never* loose your copyright. You can transfer the right of commercial exploitation but unlike anglo-saxton law you can't sell the copyright itself.
Only the GPL is based on copyleft, there are lots of other OSS licenses that retain the copyright. See the BSD license for a prominent example.
Most of what is commonly believed about the GPL is wrong even in the USA.
Please read this: http://www.rosenlaw.com/Rosen_Ch06.pdf to learn what cannot be enforced in court even in the USA.
It seems that the US legal system (with repsect to the Copyright) is not too different from what is usual in the rest of the world. A common mistake is to believe the GPL FAQ from the FSF that is mostly unrelated to the GPL text. The main difference between Europe and the USA is that you cannot give up the Copyright in Europe and that you cannot establish a contract that tries to break the law.
As a funny side note: the wife of Eric Raymond is lawyer and she wrote a paper that verifies that even in the USA, people with minor contributions cannot govern important facts for "marketing" which in OSS terms means e.g. chosing the license. This verifies, that you need to ask at most 20 people is you like to change the license that is used for the Linux kernel.
The EU law system is mainly based on German and French legal system. Many other countries in the worls did copy the legal system from France or Germany (Turkey did e.g. mainly copy the German system). The reason is that the modern legal system in European countries is based on the "Code Nepoleon" - a late result from the french revolution. Many areas have been occupoed by Nepoleon and inherited the French legal system or (if they have not been occupied by Napoleon) they forced their land lords to convert to a legal system that gives more freedom.
With german right, the "Urheberrecht" is yours and only yours forever. But under the GPL, the right to use and modify your work has gone to the public, under conditions which were met. So please shut up here now. If you continue here "your" way, you will only destroy your chances to get taken serious anywhere in the future. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dipl.-Kfm. Markus Hoppe Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
With german right, the "Urheberrecht" is yours and only yours forever. But under the GPL, the right to use and modify your work has gone to the public, under conditions which were met.
You just verified that you have no clue. Please stop posting useless comments that do not apply in any right system. If you have problem to believe me, I recommend you to ask a lowyer that you trust. Give him 100-200 Euro and he will confirm to you that I am right.... Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
With german right, the "Urheberrecht" is yours and only yours forever. But under the GPL, the right to use and modify your work has gone to the public, under conditions which were met.
You just verified that you have no clue.
As long as you don't argue about this, you stay in my opinion the crazy motherless child you have been since 15 years. In my opinion (not more) - but which is out of your reach.
Please stop posting useless comments that do not apply in any right system.
Useless for motherfuckers like you, but probably useful for the community. German "Urheberrecht" does not restrict the GPL in any aspect.
If you have problem to believe me, I recommend you to ask a lowyer that you trust. Give him 100-200 Euro and he will confirm to you that I am right....
I do not have any problem to believe you, because I have watched your behaviour from your beginning. So shut up. Integrate your work yourself into factory (your only chance), or piss off here. Nobody here will take you serious by other than your "integrating doings", so be quiet now here and think about doing. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dipl.-Kfm. Markus Hoppe Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2009 23:08:07 Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
Hi,
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
With german right, the "Urheberrecht" is yours and only yours forever. But under the GPL, the right to use and modify your work has gone to the public, under conditions which were met.
You just verified that you have no clue.
As long as you don't argue about this, you stay in my opinion the crazy motherless child you have been since 15 years. In my opinion (not more) - but which is out of your reach.
Please stop posting useless comments that do not apply in any right system.
Useless for motherfuckers like you, but probably useful for the community. German "Urheberrecht" does not restrict the GPL in any aspect.
If you have problem to believe me, I recommend you to ask a lowyer that you trust. Give him 100-200 Euro and he will confirm to you that I am right....
I do not have any problem to believe you, because I have watched your behaviour from your beginning. So shut up.
Integrate your work yourself into factory (your only chance), or piss off here. Nobody here will take you serious by other than your "integrating doings", so be quiet now here and think about doing.
Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org)
And people have the darn ordasity to accuse ME of being fould mouthed ect ect ect yea right go away child ! if you cant comment with out resortin to that level then well . Pete . -- May be out spoken but never foul mouthed unless called first. and then in moderation. :-) ..
Hi, On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Peter Nikolic wrote:
On Wednesday 05 Aug 2009 23:08:07 Eberhard Moenkeberg wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
With german right, the "Urheberrecht" is yours and only yours forever. But under the GPL, the right to use and modify your work has gone to the public, under conditions which were met.
You just verified that you have no clue.
As long as you don't argue about this, you stay in my opinion the crazy motherless child you have been since 15 years. In my opinion (not more) - but which is out of your reach.
Please stop posting useless comments that do not apply in any right system.
Useless for motherfuckers like you, but probably useful for the community. German "Urheberrecht" does not restrict the GPL in any aspect.
If you have problem to believe me, I recommend you to ask a lowyer that you trust. Give him 100-200 Euro and he will confirm to you that I am right....
I do not have any problem to believe you, because I have watched your behaviour from your beginning. So shut up.
Integrate your work yourself into factory (your only chance), or piss off here. Nobody here will take you serious by other than your "integrating doings", so be quiet now here and think about doing.
And people have the darn ordasity to accuse ME of being fould mouthed ect ect ect yea right go away child ! if you cant comment with out resortin to that level then well .
Need I to be stoned to understand you here, or are you just? In the latter case, please reply tomorrow again. If I am to accuse about not understanding you, please try to explain. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dipl.-Kfm. Markus Hoppe Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
With german right, the "Urheberrecht" is yours and only yours forever. But under the GPL, the right to use and modify your work has gone to the public, under conditions which were met.
You just verified that you have no clue.
As long as you don't argue about this, you stay in my opinion the crazy motherless child you have been since 15 years. In my opinion (not more) - but which is out of your reach.
The best we can to is to ignore this person in future. Jörg -- EMail:joerg@schily.isdn.cs.tu-berlin.de (home) Jörg Schilling D-13353 Berlin js@cs.tu-berlin.de (uni) joerg.schilling@fokus.fraunhofer.de (work) Blog: http://schily.blogspot.com/ URL: http://cdrecord.berlios.de/private/ ftp://ftp.berlios.de/pub/schily -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi, On Thu, 6 Aug 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
On Wed, 5 Aug 2009, Joerg Schilling wrote:
Eberhard Moenkeberg <emoenke@gwdg.de> wrote:
With german right, the "Urheberrecht" is yours and only yours forever. But under the GPL, the right to use and modify your work has gone to the public, under conditions which were met.
You just verified that you have no clue.
As long as you don't argue about this, you stay in my opinion the crazy motherless child you have been since 15 years. In my opinion (not more) - but which is out of your reach.
The best we can to is to ignore this person in future.
Yes! Oh thanks - I never had thought about being you such a big mind! In fact, I still think you are not worth posting here. You are worth doing your thing in factory, and after that things may change. To be honest, I doubt you will do your task. You never did it the last 15 years, so where should the hope come from. Viele Gruesse Eberhard Moenkeberg (emoenke@gwdg.de, em@kki.org) -- Eberhard Moenkeberg Arbeitsgruppe IT-Infrastruktur E-Mail: emoenke@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1551 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- Gesellschaft fuer wissenschaftliche Datenverarbeitung mbH Goettingen (GWDG) Am Fassberg 11, 37077 Goettingen URL: http://www.gwdg.de E-Mail: gwdg@gwdg.de Tel.: +49 (0)551 201-1510 Fax: +49 (0)551 201-2150 Geschaeftsfuehrer: Prof. Dr. Bernhard Neumair Aufsichtsratsvorsitzender: Dipl.-Kfm. Markus Hoppe Sitz der Gesellschaft: Goettingen Registergericht: Goettingen Handelsregister-Nr. B 598 ------------------------------------------------------------------------- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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Philipp Thomas