Le mardi 25 septembre 2012 à 12:46 +0200, Andreas Jaeger a écrit :
On Tuesday, September 25, 2012 12:39:59 Stephan Kulow wrote:
On 25.09.2012 11:42, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
On Thursday, September 20, 2012 21:51:35 Peter Czanik wrote:
Hello,
Before we all end up in flames, a hopefully not too biased view
from
syslog-ng upstream :-)
First of all, systemd journal is a perfect solution for about 90%+
of
openSUSE users, which have stand alone workstations and don't care
at
all about logging. They don't need rsyslog or syslog-ng. The
journal
collects logs under /var/log/journal into some binary files. By
default it does not take more than 5% of available disk space, so
logs can't fill up the partition accidentally. It's very limited,
but
user friendly. Actually I don't really understand, why syslog is
still installed on openSUSE (ArchLinux removed syslog from systemd
based installations to avoid dual logging...), but this is a
different questions...
Thanks Peter for the info. So, let's remove syslog/rsyslog from the
default install now.
Coolo, could you do the change - if you agree with it, please?
So this kind of puts the last nail in the sysvinit coffin?
Ah, you're right - let's do it one by one and not start from the end.
Frederic, what steps do you propose - here's my suggestion:
1. update to systemd 185
I'm working on it, which will merge udev package (but I've kept udev as
a separate package for now) and move udev and systemd to /usr.
2. Change grub to not offer switch for init packages
not sure it is worth, since grub2 "graphical" boot doesn't have the
feature. So, switching to grub2 by default will remove the feature.
3. Change sysvinit-init package (or however it's called)
We just need to no longer generate this subpackage (from sysvinit source
package, which is still needed for some tools).
4. Remove syslog from default install.
Sounds good.
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Frederic Crozat <fcrozat@suse.com>
SUSE
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