[opensuse-factory] Call for Maintainer: KDE3
Dear Tumbleweed Hackers, It seems KDE3 is no longer getting the attention it needs in order to survive as a viable option in Tumbleweed. It's been already 4 weeks that a bunch of KDE3 related packages do no longer build in openSUSE:Factory; the notification mails that went out after one week of failed build have remained 'unanswered and without build fixes submitted' An overview of all failing KDE3 packages can be found at: https://build.opensuse.org/project/status/openSUSE:Factory?filter_devel =KDE:KDE3 Should there be interest to keep the KDE3 packages available in Tumbleweed, now would be the moment to step up and keep their pulse pumping. I'm sure there ARE users out there that wish to keep it... Unite together and get it to build again. If there is no will to get those packages fixed, we can discuss about removing them. Cheers, and happy hacking, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Some of KDE3 packages (such as kdebase3) do not build in Factory https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Factory/kdebase3 but build well in KDE:KDE3 against Factory. https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/KDE:KDE3/kdebase3 There is no difference between the packages so I think this is an internal Factory's problem. Particularly, kdelibs3 has not been rebult since September 8! build32 finished "build kdelibs3.spec" at Tue Sep 8 17:48:33 UTC 2015.https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/openSUSE:Factory/kdelibs3/... After that date Qt3 has been modified so all depending packages should be rebuild. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
This message appears if trying to build kdebase against kdelibs which were built with another version of qt3. Kdelibs has been built September, 8, Qt3 has been changed September, 14 and rebuilt September, 24 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/330825 This means the current kdelibs3 in Factory is built against old version of Qt3. Thus the failure.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-25 11:06, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
Excuse me for side tracking a bit. What about Leap? Eleanor-421:~ # zypper se kdesdk3-translate Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No packages found. Eleanor-421:~ # zypper se rekall Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No packages found. Eleanor-421:~ # I tried those two, because they happen to be the two kde3 apps I use most. Rekall has no kde4 port. kbabel has, it is lokalize. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYtPkcACgkQja8UbcUWM1y0XAD/d5bFAy8nkS2epU2g0RvwWyfC xt82GvWiGaQfmxvZA8kBAI361cRE7NUQwhA3Hh30BemDMS71sf0UJJaAx2OIhH21 =M8Yf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2015-10-25 at 09:58 +0300, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
Thanks Ilya, I started to trigger a couple of those packages and this seems to go fine indeed. The K3 build system is overly nasty then though: the change in qt3 should really not require any rebuilding of any underlying things... but such are facts of life :) Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 24 October 2015 at 23:51, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
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If there is no will to get those packages fixed, we can discuss about removing them.
Let me play Devil's Advocate here: why do we have KDE3 shipping in the main repository of what is supposed to be "a pure rolling release version of openSUSE containing the latest stable versions of all software"? How does a version of KDE and Qt that hasn't been the latest stable release or supported for 7 years qualify? What purpose does it serve? On switching to Tumbleweed a couple of months ago and searching for KDE apps to install I was very surprised to be confronted by unclear choices between KDE 3 and KDE 4/KF5 versions of things. The situation is confusing enough with the KDE4 / KF5 migration! Now, as a KDE dev I could unpick some of that and know what to choose, but even then I accidentally ended up with some KDE3 stuff installed. To an average user I'd suggest it's even more confusing and counter-productive, and due to a lack of security updates downright dangerous. I have no problem with a few people clinging on to an app of even the desktop by using an OBS repo, but given what I suspect is the tiny user base is it really worth the clutter and hassle and security risk of having it in the main repo? John. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:38:42 +0000, John Layt ha scritto: Hello John,
To clarify this: KDE3 isn't maintained, nor supported, by the openSUSE community KDE team. We handle the kdelibs 4.x and KF5 bits. Community members stepped up to maintain the KDE3 software (which I assume includes Trinity? I haven't been following). Personally speaking, I think it should be offered as an *add on repository* rather than being in the *main distro*. But that's just my opinion and doesn't reflect the one of the wider openSUSE community.
repo, but given what I suspect is the tiny user base is it really worth the clutter and hassle and security risk of having it in the main repo?
+1 to that. To anyone who wants to reply to this thread: *please* keep messages on KDE3 vs Plasma 4.x vs Plasma 5 *out* of this discussion. Let's limit ourselves to the feasibility of having KDE3 in the main distro. -- Luca Beltrame - KDE Forums team KDE Science supporter GPG key ID: A29D259B -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sunday 25 October 2015 10:15:02 Luca Beltrame wrote:
Personally speaking, I think it should be offered as an *add on repository* rather than being in the *main distro*.
I fully agree. -- Cornelius Schumacher <cschum@suse.de> -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:38:42 +0000 John Layt <johnlayt@googlemail.com> wrote:
Unfortunately, some third party apps like Chrome and LSB 4.0 still pull in Qt3 and KDE3. So at least some subset of KDE3 needs to be in TW. Thanks, Peter -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Il 25/10/2015 22:26, Peter Linnell ha scritto:
On Sun, 25 Oct 2015 09:38:42 +0000
On 13.2, only Qt3 and Lsb are required (no Kde3 parts..): # zypper rm Qt3 ... The following 4 packages are going to be REMOVED: google-chrome-stable google-earth-stable lsb qt3 Daniele. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> writes:
The only package that needs care is kdegraphics3, all others just build fine, once they are rebuilt.
Take a look at openSUSE:Factory:ARM or openSUSE:Factory:PowerPC, where you can see that all the KDE3 packages are green. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 26.10.2015 09:50, Andreas Schwab wrote:
Yeah, not building them is indeed helpful to avoid seeing build failures. PowerPC built kdebase3 last time August 7 and ARM on Jul 27. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> writes:
Yeah, not building them is indeed helpful to avoid seeing build failures. PowerPC built kdebase3 last time August 7 and ARM on Jul 27.
So what? kdebase3 doesn't fail on o:Factory. Andreas. -- Andreas Schwab, SUSE Labs, schwab@suse.de GPG Key fingerprint = 0196 BAD8 1CE9 1970 F4BE 1748 E4D4 88E3 0EEA B9D7 "And now for something completely different." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Some of KDE3 packages (such as kdebase3) do not build in Factory https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/openSUSE:Factory/kdebase3 but build well in KDE:KDE3 against Factory. https://build.opensuse.org/package/show/KDE:KDE3/kdebase3 There is no difference between the packages so I think this is an internal Factory's problem. Particularly, kdelibs3 has not been rebult since September 8! build32 finished "build kdelibs3.spec" at Tue Sep 8 17:48:33 UTC 2015.https://build.opensuse.org/package/live_build_log/openSUSE:Factory/kdelibs3/... After that date Qt3 has been modified so all depending packages should be rebuild. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
This message appears if trying to build kdebase against kdelibs which were built with another version of qt3. Kdelibs has been built September, 8, Qt3 has been changed September, 14 and rebuilt September, 24 https://build.opensuse.org/request/show/330825 This means the current kdelibs3 in Factory is built against old version of Qt3. Thus the failure.
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-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA256 On 2015-10-25 11:06, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
Excuse me for side tracking a bit. What about Leap? Eleanor-421:~ # zypper se kdesdk3-translate Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No packages found. Eleanor-421:~ # zypper se rekall Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... No packages found. Eleanor-421:~ # I tried those two, because they happen to be the two kde3 apps I use most. Rekall has no kde4 port. kbabel has, it is lokalize. - -- Cheers / Saludos, Carlos E. R. (from 13.1 x86_64 "Bottle" (Minas Tirith)) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.22 (GNU/Linux) iF4EAREIAAYFAlYtPkcACgkQja8UbcUWM1y0XAD/d5bFAy8nkS2epU2g0RvwWyfC xt82GvWiGaQfmxvZA8kBAI361cRE7NUQwhA3Hh30BemDMS71sf0UJJaAx2OIhH21 =M8Yf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Sun, 2015-10-25 at 09:58 +0300, Ilya Chernykh wrote:
Thanks Ilya, I started to trigger a couple of those packages and this seems to go fine indeed. The K3 build system is overly nasty then though: the change in qt3 should really not require any rebuilding of any underlying things... but such are facts of life :) Cheers, Dominique -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 24 October 2015 at 23:51, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar <dimstar@opensuse.org> wrote:
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If there is no will to get those packages fixed, we can discuss about removing them.
Let me play Devil's Advocate here: why do we have KDE3 shipping in the main repository of what is supposed to be "a pure rolling release version of openSUSE containing the latest stable versions of all software"? How does a version of KDE and Qt that hasn't been the latest stable release or supported for 7 years qualify? What purpose does it serve? On switching to Tumbleweed a couple of months ago and searching for KDE apps to install I was very surprised to be confronted by unclear choices between KDE 3 and KDE 4/KF5 versions of things. The situation is confusing enough with the KDE4 / KF5 migration! Now, as a KDE dev I could unpick some of that and know what to choose, but even then I accidentally ended up with some KDE3 stuff installed. To an average user I'd suggest it's even more confusing and counter-productive, and due to a lack of security updates downright dangerous. I have no problem with a few people clinging on to an app of even the desktop by using an OBS repo, but given what I suspect is the tiny user base is it really worth the clutter and hassle and security risk of having it in the main repo? John. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
participants (11)
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Andreas Schwab -
Carlos E. R. -
Cornelius Schumacher -
Daniele -
Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar -
Ilya Chernykh -
Jan Engelhardt -
John Layt -
Luca Beltrame -
Peter Linnell -
Stephan Kulow