3 additional review rounds for the openSUSE Leap 15.3 retrospective
Hello openSUSE! The first review round of the openSUSE Leap 15.3 retrospective happened as part of the openSUSE Conference last Saturday. let's have at additional rounds, where we'll continue from where we've ended last time (marked with "<break"). Three rounds should be sufficient, based on the amount of data and our pace from the first round. Dates: June 22nd - 7-8am UTC (9-10am CEST) June 22nd - 15-16pm UTC (17-18pm CEST) June 23rd - 7-8am UTC (9-10am CEST) In all cases let's use our favorite collaboration space https://meet.opensuse.org/bar for increased outreach. Everyone is welcome to join! The idea is to screen share, read through the data, collaborate with reviewers on action items, etc, and hopefully, also categorize the issue in the way how we did that in 15.2. I'd like to make sure we process the data before the openSUSE Release Team meeting this Wednesday. Where I'd already like to provide some "summary" of what to focus on in Leap 15.4. The working document for retro review can be found here: https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-Leap-15.3-retro-20200616 Best regards Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager
Lubos Kocman composed on 2021-06-21 06:09 (UTC-0400):
let's use our favorite collaboration space https://meet.opensuse.org/bar for increased outreach.
Everyone is welcome to join!
It doesn't look that way from here. Barred from entry are: Falkon Konqueror Palemoon SeaMonkey (my primary browser, from which all email links are opened via click) -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 2:19 PM Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
Lubos Kocman composed on 2021-06-21 06:09 (UTC-0400):
let's use our favorite collaboration space https://meet.opensuse.org/bar for increased outreach.
Everyone is welcome to join!
It doesn't look that way from here. Barred from entry are: Falkon
This should work just fine.
Konqueror Palemoon SeaMonkey (my primary browser, from which all email links are opened via click)
None of these will work, as they don't implement the required HTML5 standards for it to function. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021, at 20:20, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Mon, Jun 21, 2021 at 2:19 PM Felix Miata <mrmazda@earthlink.net> wrote:
Lubos Kocman composed on 2021-06-21 06:09 (UTC-0400):
let's use our favorite collaboration space https://meet.opensuse.org/bar for increased outreach.
Everyone is welcome to join!
It doesn't look that way from here. Barred from entry are: Falkon
This should work just fine.
Konqueror Palemoon SeaMonkey (my primary browser, from which all email links are opened via click)
None of these will work, as they don't implement the required HTML5 standards for it to function.
You can also install the flatpak https://flathub.org/apps/details/org.jitsi.jitsi-meet /Syds
-- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
Neal Gompa composed on 2021-06-21 14:20 (UTC-0400):
Felix Miata wrote:
Lubos Kocman composed on 2021-06-21 06:09 (UTC-0400):
let's use our favorite collaboration space https://meet.opensuse.org/bar for increased outreach.
Everyone is welcome to join!
It doesn't look that way from here. Barred from entry are: Falkon
This should work just fine.
I got exactly the same response using Falkon 3.0.1 (OS 15.2) as I did with the other three.
Konqueror Palemoon SeaMonkey (my primary browser, from which all email links are opened via click)
None of these will work, as they don't implement the required HTML5 standards for it to function.
HTML5 has been with us for well over a decade, so present at least to some degree in all currently available GUI web browsers I've ever heard of. about:config option general.useragent.override.meet.opensuse.org Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64; rv:89.0) Gecko/20100101 Firefox/89.0 opens it just fine in SeaMonkey in 2.53.8b1. Rejecting browsers by name rather than by absent functionality is an abomination that has no place on opensuse.org, or anywhere else "open" for that matter. The browser wars don't need resurrection. If meet.opensuse.org requires some latest adoption of HTML5 standards, it should check for the function, not the browser name. https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Browser_detection_using_th... "There are ways to develop your website to progressively enhance itself based on the availability of features rather than by targeting specific browsers." -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 6/21/2021 13:47, Felix Miata wrote:
Rejecting browsers by name rather than by absent functionality is an abomination that has no place on opensuse.org, or anywhere else "open" for that matter. The browser wars don't need resurrection. If meet.opensuse.org requires some latest adoption of HTML5 standards, it should check for the function, not the browser name.
+1 Unless the browser is IE (that may be my PTSD talking though). -- Jason Craig
Hi Felix On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:47:57 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:
Rejecting browsers by name rather than by absent functionality is an abomination that has no place on opensuse.org, or anywhere else "open" for that matter. The browser wars don't need resurrection. If meet.opensuse.org requires some latest adoption of HTML5 standards, it should check for the function, not the browser name.
I'm with your argumentation here, that rejecting someone just because of his name is not ok. But I think complaining here on the project list will not really help. Please submit your patches to the Jitsi packages in OBS or open an issue in the Jitsi project on Github. As most of the current maintainers (and packagers) of meet.opensuse.org are currently back at school, my recommendation would be to connect the Jitsi project itself directly, if you want to get your issue solved quickly. with kind regards, Lars
On 2021/06/21 13:59, Lars Vogdt wrote:
Hi Felix
On Mon, 21 Jun 2021 15:47:57 -0400 Felix Miata wrote:
Rejecting browsers by name rather than by absent functionality is an abomination that has no place on opensuse.org, or anywhere else "open" for that matter. The browser wars don't need resurrection. If meet.opensuse.org requires some latest adoption of HTML5 standards, it should check for the function, not the browser name.
well, you didn't miss much, a rather glorified chat interface that claimed to offer audio/video, but I heard nothing...then it said everyone had their mic muted too, even when some appeared to be talking. Couldn't hear myself though either, but I could hear a 'ding' when I adjusted the volume slider... so sound:working localling, just not from that website with palemoon browser
I'm too 'blah' to try it w/opera...spending way too much time getting normal things to work (another win7 upgrade to self to clean up things -- not too bad, been about 4 years since I last did it and that was when I installed to new HW). I should see if my tablet+pen work and use Photoshop before it corrupts itself again. On adobe community forum, they kept telling me how it was unreasonable for me to expect software to work with new hardware as photoshop CS5 wouldn't work w/then new graphics card update, but it works fine after a fresh win update. Also works with my latest card as well. Yeah, expecting programs to deal with new processors is asking awfully much (snarcasm)...
On 21/06/2021 22.59, Lars Vogdt wrote:
Please submit your patches to the Jitsi packages in OBS or open an issue in the Jitsi project on Github.
I did home:SchoolGuy:jitsi/Jitsi-Meet> grep "using a browser we don" -r and noticed that the sources are not in there, only a minified version from an upstream release tarball. Upstream this seems to come from https://github.com/jitsi/jitsi-meet/blob/d9bfeecb5be51f65f53f3c61174c430a0ae... But how do we make a package with a patched version for testing?
Hello Felix, this is something you should raise with openSUSE heroes. We're using tools provided by infra. Thank you for your understanding On Mon, 2021-06-21 at 14:13 -0400, Felix Miata wrote:
Lubos Kocman composed on 2021-06-21 06:09 (UTC-0400):
let's use our favorite collaboration space https://meet.opensuse.org/bar for increased outreach. Everyone is welcome to join!
It doesn't look that way from here. Barred from entry are: Falkon Konqueror Palemoon SeaMonkey (my primary browser, from which all email links are opened via click)
Hello openSUSE! as already mentined in Release team meeting minutes we still have quite a lot of feedback to process. Roughly 1/3 of feedback still needs to be processed. I think two review rounds should do, in worst case we can extend the last one until we're done :-) Here are two extra review rounds for tomorrow. Everyone is welcome to join and help us with processing. June 24th - 7-8am UTC (9-10am CEST) https://meet.opensuse.org/bar June 24th - 15-16pm UTC (17-18pm CEST) https://meet.opensuse.org/bar Document can be found here https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-Leap-15.3-retro-20200616 Just to remind everyone this document is free to edit for all when it comes to suggestion of action items or better specification of problem. But please let's not add more late retro entries, the survey was already closed. Prefered is to have a discussion together in /bar, but any suggestions are highly welcome. !WE COULD USE SOME EXTRA HELP! There were 3-4 items that require further feedback from reporter (marked with "Question:") as we can't get enough context to make an action item. Any help is welcome on these: line 56: The repos were available in time and an upgrade from 15.2 to 15.3 went smooth, except that with wayland windows don't open and I had to switch x11. ^ Could you please share more details, ideally in a bug? https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports line 483: The where a lot of unneeded packages left behind that I had to remove via YaST using the unneeded packages package classification... ^ Could you please suggest expected result, so we're on the same page. line 560: Nach dem Apgrate und anschließenden hochfahren bleit er beim Starten Localservis hängen After the upgrade and subsequent startup, it gets stuck when starting Localservis ^ Please open a bug so we can follow up on more details. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports line 586 Regression to Leap 15.1 and Leap 15.2 Outdated mesa, again, actually more than in Leap 15.2 . Currently not an issue for me, as an user of NVidia, but considering buy AMD card, that can be issue for me in future. ^ Please reference the existing bug or open a new bug so we can follow up on more details. I did ask Stefan Dirsch but he was not aware of anything specific. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports Thank you Lubos
Best regards
Lubos Kocman openSUSE Leap Release Manager
line 586 Regression to Leap 15.1 and Leap 15.2 Outdated mesa, again, actually more than in Leap 15.2 . Currently not an issue for me, as an user of NVidia, but considering buy AMD card, that can be issue for me in future.
^ Please reference the existing bug or open a new bug so we can follow up on more details. I did ask Stefan Dirsch but he was not aware of anything specific. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports That is just bad formating from survey form, originally it was every
Dne 23. 06. 21 v 15:24 Lubos Kocman napsal(a): point new line, but I see here, that new lines are lost. "Regression complain" was to disabling preempt. Outdated mesa was another point and only as fear for future, than affecting me nowadays. In 15.2 was already conservative with 2 major versions behind to release date, in 15.3 is even more convervative with 3 major versions behind (21.1 released in may, 21.0 in march, 19.3 in december)
Thank you Daniel! Lubos On Wed, 2021-06-23 at 16:31 +0200, Daniel Noga wrote:
line 586 Regression to Leap 15.1 and Leap 15.2 Outdated mesa, again, actually more than in Leap 15.2 . Currently not an issue for me, as an user of NVidia, but considering buy AMD card, that can be issue for me in future.
^ Please reference the existing bug or open a new bug so we can follow up on more details. I did ask Stefan Dirsch but he was not aware of anything specific. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports That is just bad formating from survey form, originally it was every
Dne 23. 06. 21 v 15:24 Lubos Kocman napsal(a): point new line, but I see here, that new lines are lost.
"Regression complain" was to disabling preempt. Outdated mesa was another point and only as fear for future, than affecting me nowadays. In 15.2 was already conservative with 2 major versions behind to release date, in 15.3 is even more convervative with 3 major versions behind (21.1 released in may, 21.0 in march, 19.3 in december)
Hello team, we did have a massive gallera outage which effected also our lovely etherpad on last Thursday therefore we still have a backlog to review. Therefore I'm announcing two additional "morning" rounds of Leap 15.3 retro in our virtual /bar June 28th - 9-10am UTC (11-12am CEST) https://meet.opensuse.org/bar June 29th - 7-8am UTC (9-10am CEST) https://meet.opensuse.org/bar I would really like these to be final, as we've spent enourmous time on it already. So please expect some speed review. More details at https://etherpad.opensuse.org/p/ReleaseEngineering-Leap-15.3-retro-20200616 As usually everyone is welcome to join and help us to make suggestions for action items. Lubos On Thu, 2021-06-24 at 09:25 +0200, Lubos Kocman wrote:
Thank you Daniel!
Lubos
On Wed, 2021-06-23 at 16:31 +0200, Daniel Noga wrote:
line 586 Regression to Leap 15.1 and Leap 15.2 Outdated mesa, again, actually more than in Leap 15.2 . Currently not an issue for me, as an user of NVidia, but considering buy AMD card, that can be issue for me in future.
^ Please reference the existing bug or open a new bug so we can follow up on more details. I did ask Stefan Dirsch but he was not aware of anything specific. https://en.opensuse.org/openSUSE:Submitting_bug_reports That is just bad formating from survey form, originally it was every
Dne 23. 06. 21 v 15:24 Lubos Kocman napsal(a): point new line, but I see here, that new lines are lost.
"Regression complain" was to disabling preempt. Outdated mesa was another point and only as fear for future, than affecting me nowadays. In 15.2 was already conservative with 2 major versions behind to release date, in 15.3 is even more convervative with 3 major versions behind (21.1 released in may, 21.0 in march, 19.3 in december)
Am 23.06.21 um 16:31 schrieb Daniel Noga:
In 15.2 was already conservative with 2 major versions behind to release date, in 15.3 is even more convervative with 3 major versions behind (21.1 released in may, 21.0 in march, 19.3 in december) 21.0.0 is considered a "development" release [1], and I think "stable" distributions are generally careful to use them. The first one that reasonably could have made it was 21.0.1 in April, and that might have been too late for inclusion in SLE.
Interestingly Mesa in SLE/Leap was at 20.3.3, but then came
back to Mesa 20.2.4 (bsc#1181486)
and that bug is not accessible. So we don't know what was the reason for that downgrade, and whether going to 21.0.1 would also have solved it. [1] https://www.mesa3d.org/news/releases/mesa-21-0-0-is-released/
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