понеділок, 20 квітня 2020 р. 13:39:59 EEST Tomáš Chvátal написано:

Python interpreter setuptools and pip will stay around for a while still.

We will be slowly phasing out stuff that really just pulls the py2 for some bindings that are dead/deprecated.

Got it.

Well the package will be unresolvable. But it won't block TW releases so I would say 'near future' (weeks).

HTH

Tom

Thank you. This seems fine. -- Kind regards, Mykola Krachkovsky -- Найкращі побажання, Микола Крачковський

Am 20.04.20 um 12:42 schrieb Neal Gompa:

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:33 AM Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:

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Hi,

понеділок, 20 квітня 2020 р. 09:47:55 EEST Tomáš Chvátal написано:

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Hi all,

The removal of python2-* subpackages in staging is done and now it is included in TW.

Would python-base, python-devel, etc be removed as well? Right now, removing python-base triggers removing a lot of latex packages and npm12.

It also means Chromium goes away too, since Google hasn't deigned to fix GN to work with Python 3...

I'm pretty Firefox is in a similar boat with Mach and mozbuild...

Building Firefox with just python3 still does not work for an unknown period of time. I already mentioned that a few times. It's also a totally non-trivial thing to do and I'm certainly not wasting a single minute of my lifetime on helping out with that task. I cannot remember where but somewhere I told people the upstream bugzilla tracking id so they can simply implement the switch to python 3. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1388447 Wolfgang -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:08 AM Richard Biener wrote:

On Mon, 20 Apr 2020, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

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Am 20.04.20 um 12:42 schrieb Neal Gompa:

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:33 AM Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:

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Hi,

понеділок, 20 квітня 2020 р. 09:47:55 EEST Tomáš Chvátal написано:

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Hi all,

The removal of python2-* subpackages in staging is done and now it is included in TW.

Would python-base, python-devel, etc be removed as well? Right now, removing python-base triggers removing a lot of latex packages and npm12.

It also means Chromium goes away too, since Google hasn't deigned to fix GN to work with Python 3...

I'm pretty Firefox is in a similar boat with Mach and mozbuild...

Building Firefox with just python3 still does not work for an unknown period of time. I already mentioned that a few times. It's also a totally non-trivial thing to do and I'm certainly not wasting a single minute of my lifetime on helping out with that task.

I cannot remember where but somewhere I told people the upstream bugzilla tracking id so they can simply implement the switch to python 3. https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1388447

Just embed python2 into firefox ... the question is then how much of python2 you really need.

Or, you know, help Firefox upstream migrate the remainder of their Python 2 code to Python 3? They have a tracker bug (as Wolfgang linked to earlier) and there aren't that many tickets left... The SUSE Firefox maintainer would hopefully be actively engaged in this process, given that SUSE is pulling the plug on Python 2 in Tumbleweed. :) -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, 2020-04-20 at 13:45 +0200, Wolfgang Rosenauer wrote:

I'm pretty Firefox is in a similar boat with Mach and mozbuild...

Building Firefox with just python3 still does not work for an unknown period of time. I already mentioned that a few times. It's also a totally non-trivial thing to do and I'm certainly not wasting a single minute of my lifetime on helping out with that task.

You did - and it is considered; heck, Firefox and Chromium are both ring1 packages; The Staging process is rather clear: a Staging project is only mergable if all packages in the ring are building and pass the Staging QA tests - That includes Firefox for Build/QA and Chromium for build. Cheers, Dominique

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:27 AM Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

On Mon, 2020-04-20 at 06:42 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:

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On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 6:33 AM Mykola Krachkovsky wrote:

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Hi,

понеділок, 20 квітня 2020 р. 09:47:55 EEST Tomáš Chvátal написано:

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Hi all,

The removal of python2-* subpackages in staging is done and now it is included in TW.

Would python-base, python-devel, etc be removed as well? Right now, removing python-base triggers removing a lot of latex packages and npm12.

It also means Chromium goes away too, since Google hasn't deigned to fix GN to work with Python 3...

It means nothing like that - either you know what you claim, or please add a disclaimer to your mails that this is all speculation and you don't know more than the person asking the question.

It *does* mean that. I know it's not speculation because I've been going through this process in Fedora as part of removing the Python 2 stack. We currently have exceptions in place for a small number of Python 2 modules so that all the Chromium functionality works (in particular, chrome-remote-desktop depends on python2-psutil). If I was being speculative, I would say so. Stop assuming I don't know what I'm talking about. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Mon, Apr 20, 2020 at 9:36 AM Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote:

On Mon, 2020-04-20 at 09:32 -0400, Neal Gompa wrote:

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It means nothing like that - either you know what you claim, or please

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add a disclaimer to your mails that this is all speculation and you don't know more than the person asking the question.

It *does* mean that. I know it's not speculation because I've been going through this process in Fedora as part of removing the Python 2 stack. We currently have exceptions in place for a small number of Python 2 modules so that all the Chromium functionality works (in particular, chrome-remote-desktop depends on python2-psutil).

And this here is openSUSE - Fedora is no reference.

I'm going to pass by this deliberately antagonistic and outright ludicrous statement.

If I stay Firefox can use Python2 to build, it can use python2 to build and won't have to disappear. That's my right as Release Manager - and together with the python maintainers this is the decided course.

And you should *read* emails better. I was indicating that it would be a problem if the interpreter was removed. That was *before* Tomas replied stating the interpreter is sticking around for a while. And *you* did accept removal of all Python 2 modules, so packages that explicitly depended on some at runtime (if they were ever explicitly declared), will break. That's fine and good if you want that. Fortunately, Chromium on openSUSE does not provide remote desktop support, so that dependency isn't a problem. I'm primarily concerned about explicit requirements of Python 2 modules. And if maintainers take attitudes like Wolfgang's, then things will just continue to break and get removed. Hopefully it won't lead to an implosion somewhere... -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth! -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org