[opensuse-factory] dist meeting minutes 2006-11-16
FYI, here're the minutes from our discussion. I hope to see this for 10.3... Andreas Topic: Encrypted Home Directories * Main new feature: Per user encrypted home * Proposal: - Enable per user encrypted home partitions (using pam_mount) - use dm-crypt + LUKS as default instead of cryptoloop Challenges + Problems: * currently KDM accesses home directory before authentification (after user name is known) to get information about the last session. An encrypted home partition this needs changes in the logic. * For ssh-key it's a problem to read the key files since they are stored in the home directory, only password authentification would work. * Other programs might read the homedirectory, like procmail. We have to check which other programs do this and decide how to handle this, e.g. a shadow home directory (or union filesystems) for procmail, secret keys... * Backup software is a challenge, users want encrypted backups. * Manually mounting via /etc/fstab is not possible currently with dm-crypt, other distributions use /etc/fscrypttab or we would need to extra add support to allow this with /etc/fstab. Use-case: A separate encrypted partition with secrect data that is only mounted manually if needed by the user and then unmounted again. * On-the-fly upgrade would be fine. Unfortunately dm-crypt uses two extra blocks so this cannot be done without losing data. * 10.2 has all the basic support for dm-crypt and LUKS but it's not integrated. * Linux only supports only 255 loopback mounts, so this limits the maximum of users that can be logged in at the same time. * FUSE and encrypted single files would be an option as well but there are some drawbacks with it. * Use case: Laptop stolen or taken away. If one user is comprimised, not all should be comprised. * Masterkey that is encrypted by the users login, so that only one password is needed to login. * screensaver issues (just close the lid) What happens with a locked screen and laptop taken away still running? * suspend to disk How to handle suspend to disk? Umount before suspend and remount later? Changes for this: YaST changes: * support dm-crypt by default for new installations in yast2-storage * during user creation allow creation of encrypted home directories * During update: Support old cryptoloop partitions and allow new installations. Base system changes: * Using pam_mount * Enable dm-crypt in boot.crypto * Handle /etc/fstab unless to not regress * Migration programs to migrate from cryptoloop to dm-crypt Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi andreas, I'm sorry, if this are the changes that you would like to commit in 10.3, can you consider to adding the support for the apt repository? I ask this because in my community (www.suseitalia.org) there are a lot of people that use apt4rpm, and i saw that in 10.1 yast can use the YUM sources, and us think that apt is more better than yum. Thank for your consideration. Vincenzo 2006/11/17, Andreas Jaeger <aj@suse.de>:
FYI, here're the minutes from our discussion. I hope to see this for 10.3...
Andreas
Topic: Encrypted Home Directories
* Main new feature: Per user encrypted home
* Proposal: - Enable per user encrypted home partitions (using pam_mount) - use dm-crypt + LUKS as default instead of cryptoloop
Challenges + Problems:
* currently KDM accesses home directory before authentification (after user name is known) to get information about the last session. An encrypted home partition this needs changes in the logic.
* For ssh-key it's a problem to read the key files since they are stored in the home directory, only password authentification would work.
* Other programs might read the homedirectory, like procmail. We have to check which other programs do this and decide how to handle this, e.g. a shadow home directory (or union filesystems) for procmail, secret keys...
* Backup software is a challenge, users want encrypted backups.
* Manually mounting via /etc/fstab is not possible currently with dm-crypt, other distributions use /etc/fscrypttab or we would need to extra add support to allow this with /etc/fstab.
Use-case: A separate encrypted partition with secrect data that is only mounted manually if needed by the user and then unmounted again.
* On-the-fly upgrade would be fine. Unfortunately dm-crypt uses two extra blocks so this cannot be done without losing data.
* 10.2 has all the basic support for dm-crypt and LUKS but it's not integrated.
* Linux only supports only 255 loopback mounts, so this limits the maximum of users that can be logged in at the same time.
* FUSE and encrypted single files would be an option as well but there are some drawbacks with it.
* Use case: Laptop stolen or taken away. If one user is comprimised, not all should be comprised.
* Masterkey that is encrypted by the users login, so that only one password is needed to login.
* screensaver issues (just close the lid) What happens with a locked screen and laptop taken away still running?
* suspend to disk How to handle suspend to disk? Umount before suspend and remount later?
Changes for this:
YaST changes: * support dm-crypt by default for new installations in yast2-storage * during user creation allow creation of encrypted home directories * During update: Support old cryptoloop partitions and allow new installations.
Base system changes: * Using pam_mount * Enable dm-crypt in boot.crypto * Handle /etc/fstab unless to not regress * Migration programs to migrate from cryptoloop to dm-crypt
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
-- Vincenzo
"Vincenzo Barranco" <barravince@gmail.com> writes:
Hi andreas, I'm sorry, if this are the changes that you would like to commit in 10.3, can you consider to adding the support for the apt repository? I ask this because in my community (www.suseitalia.org) there are a lot of people that use apt4rpm, and i saw that in 10.1 yast can use the YUM sources, and us think that apt is more better than yum. Thank for your consideration.
We have the yum metadata and apt should be able to read it, doesn't it? Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
Hi, I'm sorry but i mean another thing. I would like that yast can use apt repository, because you and the openSUSE team removed the apt official support in SUSE 10.1, and the people that use apt and synaptic from 9.2 are oblige to use apt with their risk. I hope that you understand my question. Vincenzo
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 02:39:10PM +0100, Vincenzo Barranco wrote:
I'm sorry but i mean another thing. I would like that yast can use apt repository, because you and the openSUSE team removed the apt official support in SUSE 10.1, and the people that use apt and synaptic from 9.2 are oblige to use apt with their risk. I hope that you understand my question.
apt4rpm is still part of openSUSE 10.2. It supports both, apt repositories and yum repositories, which are commonly used today. Enableing YaST to support apt repositories doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO. Best, Christoph --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
* Christoph Thiel <cthiel@suse.de> [Nov 17. 2006 15:07]:
Enableing YaST to support apt repositories doesn't make a lot of sense IMHO.
At least, we won't put effort into this. But the YasT (resp. libzypp) architecture has the flexibility to support other repository format. So if anyone out there wants to add 'apt' format, we will assist as time allows. Klaus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
"Vincenzo Barranco" <barravince@gmail.com> writes:
Hi, I'm sorry but i mean another thing. I would like that yast can use apt repository, because you and the openSUSE team removed the apt official support in SUSE 10.1, and the people that use apt and synaptic from 9.2 are oblige to use apt with their risk. I hope that you understand my question.
I don't think we're going to add another metadata format to our repositories. apt has been superseded by smart and handles the metadata just fine, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
On 2006-11-17 14:39:10 +0100, Vincenzo Barranco wrote:
I'm sorry but i mean another thing. I would like that yast can use apt repository, because you and the openSUSE team removed the apt official support in SUSE 10.1, and the people that use apt and synaptic from 9.2 are oblige to use apt with their risk. I hope that you understand my question.
i think we already have a common repository format: repomd it can be handled by: yast2/libzypp/zypper/zmd apt smart yum synaptik and i maybe forgot more. furthermore the apt sources are create from yast2/repomd repositories. so the files are accessible there aswell. i dont see any need in teaching yast2 apt repo format just my 2 cents, darix -- openSUSE - SUSE Linux is my linux openSUSE is good for you www.opensuse.org --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, Nov 17, 2006 at 11:58:53AM +0100, Andreas Jaeger wrote:
FYI, here're the minutes from our discussion. I hope to see this for 10.3...
Andreas
Topic: Encrypted Home Directories
* Main new feature: Per user encrypted home
* Proposal: - Enable per user encrypted home partitions (using pam_mount) - use dm-crypt + LUKS as default instead of cryptoloop
Challenges + Problems:
* currently KDM accesses home directory before authentification (after user name is known) to get information about the last session. An encrypted home partition this needs changes in the logic.
What about encrypting ~/Documents only per default? Other diretories could be added by the user easily. Mandriva has a very smart way and a nice gui. The encrypted folder is loopmounted over the same folder. So you have /home/joe/secret (which is a dm-crypt container) /home/joe/secret (which shows the unencrypted content after giving the right password. Ideally Konqueror/Nautilus should ask automatically for a passphrase, when clicking on an encrypted container. Of course it would be nicer to have full /home encrypted.
* For ssh-key it's a problem to read the key files since they are stored in the home directory, only password authentification would work.
* Other programs might read the homedirectory, like procmail. We have to check which other programs do this and decide how to handle this, e.g. a shadow home directory (or union filesystems) for procmail, secret keys...
* Backup software is a challenge, users want encrypted backups.
* Manually mounting via /etc/fstab is not possible currently with dm-crypt, other distributions use /etc/fscrypttab or we would need to extra add support to allow this with /etc/fstab.
Use-case: A separate encrypted partition with secrect data that is only mounted manually if needed by the user and then unmounted again.
* On-the-fly upgrade would be fine. Unfortunately dm-crypt uses two extra blocks so this cannot be done without losing data.
* 10.2 has all the basic support for dm-crypt and LUKS but it's not integrated.
* Linux only supports only 255 loopback mounts, so this limits the maximum of users that can be logged in at the same time.
* FUSE and encrypted single files would be an option as well but there are some drawbacks with it.
* Use case: Laptop stolen or taken away. If one user is comprimised, not all should be comprised.
* Masterkey that is encrypted by the users login, so that only one password is needed to login.
* screensaver issues (just close the lid) What happens with a locked screen and laptop taken away still running?
* suspend to disk How to handle suspend to disk? Umount before suspend and remount later?
Changes for this:
YaST changes: * support dm-crypt by default for new installations in yast2-storage * during user creation allow creation of encrypted home directories * During update: Support old cryptoloop partitions and allow new installations.
Base system changes: * Using pam_mount * Enable dm-crypt in boot.crypto * Handle /etc/fstab unless to not regress * Migration programs to migrate from cryptoloop to dm-crypt
Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126
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participants (6)
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Andreas Jaeger -
Christoph Thiel -
Klaus Kaempf -
Marcus Rueckert -
mhilzinger＠linuxnewmedia.de -
Vincenzo Barranco