[opensuse-factory] OpenSUSE Tumbleweed logo: Where's Geeko?
Hi. So I noticed that the new OpenSUSE logo violates the artwork/trademark guidelines for openSUSE. Namely, our chamelion is not in it! I was able to locate another variation of the logo in low-res online, then re-construct it as a vector svg. It's here if anyone wants to grab it and patch the infinity logo with something more in line with the artwork guidelines: https://www.dropbox.com/s/frw57gi230avdp1/open_suse_tumbleweed_icon.svg?dl=0 If we really want to incorporate an infinity symbol, I can probably make an infinity symbol with geeko's tail, which would keep the infinity... however, this may not look much like a tumbleweed, the rolling release namesake. What does everyone think? Want to see other variations? Thanks -C -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wednesday 2016-10-19 16:04, C R wrote:
Hi. So I noticed that the new OpenSUSE [Tumbleweed] logo violates the artwork/trademark guidelines for openSUSE. Namely, our chamelion is not in it!
So how is this different from the Leap logo? -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 19 October 2016 at 16:04, C R <cajhne@gmail.com> wrote:
Hi. So I noticed that the new OpenSUSE logo violates the artwork/trademark guidelines for openSUSE. Namely, our chamelion is not in it! I was able to locate another variation of the logo in low-res online, then re-construct it as a vector svg.
It's here if anyone wants to grab it and patch the infinity logo with something more in line with the artwork guidelines: https://www.dropbox.com/s/frw57gi230avdp1/open_suse_tumbleweed_icon.svg?dl=0
If we really want to incorporate an infinity symbol, I can probably make an infinity symbol with geeko's tail, which would keep the infinity... however, this may not look much like a tumbleweed, the rolling release namesake.
What does everyone think? Want to see other variations?
Thanks -C
The openSUSE Trademark guidelines do not require the use of the openSUSE logo, they just control and set the terms of use of the openSUSE logo, which is a Registered Trademark The Tumbleweed and Leap logos are the official, valid, logos of the Tumbleweed and Leap distributions produced by the openSUSE Project We don't need to blast the chameleon on everything we do Regards, Richard Brown - written while wearing my openSUSE Tumbleweed T-shirt http://shop.opensuse.org/#!tumbleweed+t-shirt-A104040222 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
The openSUSE Trademark guidelines do not require the use of the openSUSE logo, they just control and set the terms of use of the openSUSE logo, which is a Registered Trademark
The Tumbleweed and Leap logos are the official, valid, logos of the Tumbleweed and Leap distributions produced by the openSUSE Project
Actually, for openSUSE brand awareness, you probably should include part of the chameleon. Suit yourself though. Shame... someone really spent a lot of time on the branding guidelines to have them ignored.
We don't need to blast the chameleon on everything we do
Regards,
Richard Brown - written while wearing my openSUSE Tumbleweed T-shirt http://shop.opensuse.org/#!tumbleweed+t-shirt-A104040222 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 16:17 +0100, C R wrote:
The openSUSE Trademark guidelines do not require the use of the openSUSE logo, they just control and set the terms of use of the openSUSE logo, which is a Registered Trademark
The Tumbleweed and Leap logos are the official, valid, logos of the Tumbleweed and Leap distributions produced by the openSUSE Project
Actually, for openSUSE brand awareness, you probably should include part of the chameleon. Suit yourself though. Shame... someone really spent a lot of time on the branding guidelines to have them ignored.
Where would the guidelines state that the Chameleon HAS to be part of every single icon? Cheers, Dominique
Hello, On Oct 19 17:27 Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote (excerpt):
On Wed, 2016-10-19 at 16:17 +0100, C R wrote:
The openSUSE Trademark guidelines do not require the use of the openSUSE logo, they just control and set the terms of use of the openSUSE logo, which is a Registered Trademark
The Tumbleweed and Leap logos are the official, valid, logos of the Tumbleweed and Leap distributions produced by the openSUSE Project
Actually, for openSUSE brand awareness, you probably should include part of the chameleon. Suit yourself though. Shame... someone really spent a lot of time on the branding guidelines to have them ignored.
Where would the guidelines state that the Chameleon HAS to be part of every single icon?
I fail to see where C R wrote 'HAS'. I see C R wrote 'should'. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX GmbH - GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton - HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2016-10-20 at 10:01 +0200, Johannes Meixner wrote:
On Oct 19 17:27 Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar wrote (excerpt):
Where would the guidelines state that the Chameleon HAS to be part
of
every single icon?
I fail to see where C R wrote 'HAS'. I see C R wrote 'should'.
Unfortunately the negative reactions to his posting seem to have scared away C R, who appeared to be a talented designer, from further participating in OpenSUSE. I happened to witness him leaving frustrated from #suse on IRC. Martin -- Dr. Martin Wilck <mwilck@suse.com>, Tel. +49 (0)911 74053 2107 SUSE Linux GmbH, GF: Felix Imendörffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton HRB 21284 (AG Nürnberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Where would the guidelines state that the Chameleon HAS to be part of every single icon?
Icon or logo? Quote from the artwork guidelines page: "Please refer to the openSUSE Trademak guidelines if you want to redistribute openSUSE-based projects with openSUSE logos." Both LEAP and Tumbleweed are official parts of the openSUSE project, no? If so, note that the brand guidelines are there to disambiguate official openSUSE projects from the general public as stated on the trademark page: "With these Guidelines, we wish to encourage widespread use of the openSUSE trademarks by the openSUSE community while managing that use to protect the distinctive value of the trademarks and avoid confusion on the part of op"enSUSE users and the general public. The sections that follow describe the openSUSE Marks covered by these Guidelines, as well as uses of these Marks that are allowed, uses that are not allowed, and uses that are only allowed with specific permission. See "Contact Information" below to request permission." It is not so much that you MUST include it in symbols/logos/whatever that represent parts of the official project, but rather that failing to do so does not protect the distinctive value of the trademarks, or avoid confusion on the part of openSUSE users and the general public. -C On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:17 PM, C R <cajhne@gmail.com> wrote:
The openSUSE Trademark guidelines do not require the use of the openSUSE logo, they just control and set the terms of use of the openSUSE logo, which is a Registered Trademark
The Tumbleweed and Leap logos are the official, valid, logos of the Tumbleweed and Leap distributions produced by the openSUSE Project
Actually, for openSUSE brand awareness, you probably should include part of the chameleon. Suit yourself though. Shame... someone really spent a lot of time on the branding guidelines to have them ignored.
We don't need to blast the chameleon on everything we do
Regards,
Richard Brown - written while wearing my openSUSE Tumbleweed T-shirt http://shop.opensuse.org/#!tumbleweed+t-shirt-A104040222 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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We don't need to blast the chameleon on everything we do
Regards,
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As a case-in-point: When I went to look for a high-res version of the openSUSE Tumbleweed logo to include in a request I received for an openSUSE branded version of my wallpaper, I found three different versions. Naturally I assumed based on the guidelines and history of Geeko, and the use of the symbol as the official symbol of the project for more years than I can rightly remember, that the one that included the chameleon head must be the correct one. The infinity logo says nothing about openSUSE, and neither does the leap icon. This is what happens when you don't include it in the logos associated with your official projects, people will make alternate versions that do. Because it's part of the community pride having a logo that's recognisable as openSUSE. You don't have to take my word for it, though. If you put it to the community, or indeed the person(s) responsible for the openSUSE branding documents/graphics, I believe you'll get the same sentiments. :) Anyway. That's really all I have to say on the matter. Feel free to use my (re)constructed version as a logo, an icon, or whatever you feel like doing with it. It's cc0 as far as I'm concerned. If anyone would like to see alternate versions of the other options, I'm happy to help. Enjoy. -C On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:54 PM, C R <cajhne@gmail.com> wrote:
Where would the guidelines state that the Chameleon HAS to be part of every single icon?
Icon or logo?
Quote from the artwork guidelines page: "Please refer to the openSUSE Trademak guidelines if you want to redistribute openSUSE-based projects with openSUSE logos."
Both LEAP and Tumbleweed are official parts of the openSUSE project, no? If so, note that the brand guidelines are there to disambiguate official openSUSE projects from the general public as stated on the trademark page:
"With these Guidelines, we wish to encourage widespread use of the openSUSE trademarks by the openSUSE community while managing that use to protect the distinctive value of the trademarks and avoid confusion on the part of op"enSUSE users and the general public. The sections that follow describe the openSUSE Marks covered by these Guidelines, as well as uses of these Marks that are allowed, uses that are not allowed, and uses that are only allowed with specific permission. See "Contact Information" below to request permission."
It is not so much that you MUST include it in symbols/logos/whatever that represent parts of the official project, but rather that failing to do so does not protect the distinctive value of the trademarks, or avoid confusion on the part of openSUSE users and the general public.
-C
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 4:17 PM, C R <cajhne@gmail.com> wrote:
The openSUSE Trademark guidelines do not require the use of the openSUSE logo, they just control and set the terms of use of the openSUSE logo, which is a Registered Trademark
The Tumbleweed and Leap logos are the official, valid, logos of the Tumbleweed and Leap distributions produced by the openSUSE Project
Actually, for openSUSE brand awareness, you probably should include part of the chameleon. Suit yourself though. Shame... someone really spent a lot of time on the branding guidelines to have them ignored.
We don't need to blast the chameleon on everything we do
Regards,
Richard Brown - written while wearing my openSUSE Tumbleweed T-shirt http://shop.opensuse.org/#!tumbleweed+t-shirt-A104040222 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Hello, On Oct 19 17:13 Richard Brown wrote (excerpt):
We don't need to blast the chameleon on everything we do
Regardless that your wording 'blast' makes it too clear what your personal opinion is, my personal opinion is that openSUSE should make its chameleon visible on basically everything that is made by openSUSE. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX GmbH - GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton - HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/20/2016 06:28 PM, Johannes Meixner wrote:
Hello,
On Oct 19 17:13 Richard Brown wrote (excerpt):
We don't need to blast the chameleon on everything we do
Regardless that your wording 'blast' makes it too clear what your personal opinion is, my personal opinion is that openSUSE should make its chameleon visible on basically everything that is made by openSUSE.
Kind Regards Johannes Meixner
Either way there are no plans to change branding until the 43.X series and if it was going to be changed for 42.2 it would have been done well before now. Those of you with good memories would remember that the default wallpapers for 12.2 and 13.2 also didn't have chameleons on the wallpaper. Also the correct place to discuss such issues is the opensuse-artwork mailing list although its often rather quiet. -- Simon Lees (Simotek) http://simotek.net Emergency Update Team keybase.io/simotek SUSE Linux Adeliade Australia, UTC+9:30 GPG Fingerprint: 5B87 DB9D 88DC F606 E489 CEC5 0922 C246 02F0 014B
Hello, On Oct 20 19:00 Simon Lees wrote (excerpt):
Either way there are no plans ... Also the correct place to discuss such issues
I have no plans to discuss such issues. I only replied my opinion to another opinion in the same mail thread on opensuse-factory@opensuse.org I assumed the correct place to reply to postings in a mail thread on opensuse-factory@opensuse.org would be that same mail thread - except my reply would be about a separated different topic. Now I wonder if you did you reply to my posting in the correct way on the correct place. Kind Regards Johannes Meixner -- SUSE LINUX GmbH - GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton - HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 10/20/2016 10:58 AM, Johannes Meixner wrote:
that openSUSE should make its chameleon visible on basically everything that is made by openSUSE
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