[opensuse-factory] Alpha7 - first Impressions
Hi all. This Weekend I gave Alpha7 a try, after reading Stephans workaround for the vmware-related bug. First of all I like the green theme for beeing colorful but unostentatious. Installation worked fine, just a black screen which was blinking with some boot-like messages while hardware-configuration made me a little unsecure. But maybe that had something to do with the missing networkadapter, I addded to the vmx while pausing the installation. And I had no Problems with the most annoying bug. hd was recognized after first and later reboots. I used a 10G growable virtual disk, split into files (IDE 0:1)with xp as host. Clock is set to UTC. So the KDE clock does not show local time though in kontrolcenter Timezone is Berlin/Germany. Where should that behaviour be fixed? Then I wanted to test the softwaremanagement tools. Here I got opposed to some bugs or at least strange behaviour. 1. To me it´s not clear what's the concept of having two yast2-Modules doing nearly the same like "Additional Product Repositories" and "Software Repositories". If the new one should help new users, they have to find this one first. Maybe it just needs a better name. - And the order of the Icons in Yast2 Control Center -> Software seem quiet random to me in the moment.- For this purpose I like the solution of Kubuntu with an easy Installation Tool directly in the menu and the more powerful, less usable one in the system-undermenu. Anyway, at the moment the new Repo-Manager just did not add any repo when I tried. 2. After adding a factory repository (type:YAST) in the old "Software Repositories"-GUI I wanted to close the window, but it did not close. There were 3 minutes of busy mouse-cursor blinking before a popup message told me "Building repository * cache". The progress bar stays at 0% for 4 more minutes then changes for a minute to 12% then window disappears. It should be the first priority to inform the user about a lengthy operation, and not to leave him alone with a roaring fan and a nervous mouse arrow. 3. Software Management (yast2 sw_single): I'd like to have one permanent pop-up for all relevant messages during the start of sw_single. The blinking of dozens(?) of windows that I anyway can't read makes me nervous. I want the software to calm me down especially in case of error, and then give me some hint about what to do. "Warning: There was an error in repository initialization" doesn't meet that. I want to know which repo, ( what error,) and what I can do about it. By the way I like the new way to enable/disable a repo and to choose if it should be refreshed with the checkboxes. What do you like in the upcoming release? Also very good that its now possible to give humanreadable names for the repos. Not so good - its no more possible to just paste the whole url in one field. You have to have 'Server name' and 'Directory on Server'. What for? I would like it even more if I could change the visual order of the repos in this screen. Seeing forward to see opensuse10.3 with usable a.n.d. powerful Software-Management. cheers Peter Buschbacher --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hi! Thanks for the report! Dňa St 8. August 2007 02:01 Peter Buschbacher napísal:
Hi all. This Weekend I gave Alpha7 a try, after reading Stephans workaround for the vmware-related bug. First of all I like the green theme for beeing colorful but unostentatious. Installation worked fine, just a black screen which was blinking with some boot-like messages while hardware-configuration made me a little unsecure.
Yes, this is due to graphics card detection.
But maybe that had something to do with the missing networkadapter, I addded to the vmx while pausing the installation. And I had no Problems with the most annoying bug. hd was recognized after first and later reboots. I used a 10G growable virtual disk, split into files (IDE 0:1)with xp as host.
Clock is set to UTC. So the KDE clock does not show local time though in kontrolcenter Timezone is Berlin/Germany. Where should that behaviour be fixed?
Then I wanted to test the softwaremanagement tools. Here I got opposed to some bugs or at least strange behaviour.
1. To me it´s not clear what's the concept of having two yast2-Modules doing nearly the same like "Additional Product Repositories" and "Software Repositories".
The new label says "Community repositories". Is it better?
If the new one should help new users, they have to find this one first. Maybe it just needs a better name. - And the order of the Icons in Yast2 Control Center -> Software seem quiet random to me in the moment.-
That's something we might look into. Please, open a bug report.
For this purpose I like the solution of Kubuntu with an easy Installation Tool directly in the menu and the more powerful, less usable one in the system-undermenu. Anyway, at the moment the new Repo-Manager just did not add any repo when I tried.
I don't understand. What do you mean by "new Repo-Manager"?
2. After adding a factory repository (type:YAST) in the old "Software Repositories"-GUI I wanted to close the window, but it did not close. There were 3 minutes of busy mouse-cursor blinking before a popup message told me "Building repository * cache". The progress bar stays at 0% for 4 more minutes then changes for a minute to 12% then window disappears. It should be the first priority to inform the user about a lengthy operation, and not to leave him alone with a roaring fan and a nervous mouse arrow.
The missing progress issue is fixed in FACTORY now.
3. Software Management (yast2 sw_single): I'd like to have one permanent pop-up for all relevant messages during the start of sw_single. The blinking of dozens(?) of windows that I anyway can't read makes me nervous. I want the software to calm me down especially in case of error, and then give me some hint about what to do. "Warning: There was an error in repository initialization" doesn't meet that. I want to know which repo, ( what error,) and what I can do about it.
I suggest to open bug reports for those 2 issues.
By the way I like the new way to enable/disable a repo and to choose if it should be refreshed with the checkboxes.
Glad to hear.
What do you like in the upcoming release? Also very good that its now possible to give humanreadable names for the repos. Not so good - its no more possible to just paste the whole url in one field. You have to have 'Server name' and 'Directory on Server'. What for? I would like it even more if I could change the visual order of the repos in this screen.
If you want just past a URL, choose Add -> URL Stano
Seeing forward to see opensuse10.3 with usable a.n.d. powerful Software-Management.
cheers Peter Buschbacher
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Hello! I was waiting for beta1 before I took a closer look on the open issues of your answer. Because I'm not experienced in using bugzilla I also would like to get feedback, if my bugreports are helpful, or what I can change to help more. Stanislav Visnovsky schrieb:
Hi!
Thanks for the report!
Dňa St 8. August 2007 02:01 Peter Buschbacher napísal:
Hi all. This Weekend I gave Alpha7 a try, after reading Stephans workaround for the vmware-related bug. First of all I like the green theme for beeing colorful but unostentatious. Installation worked fine, just a black screen which was blinking with some boot-like messages while hardware-configuration made me a little unsecure.
Yes, this is due to graphics card detection.
But maybe that had something to do with the missing networkadapter, I addded to the vmx while pausing the installation. And I had no Problems with the most annoying bug. hd was recognized after first and later reboots. I used a 10G growable virtual disk, split into files (IDE 0:1)with xp as host.
Clock is set to UTC. So the KDE clock does not show local time though in kontrolcenter Timezone is Berlin/Germany. Where should that behaviour be fixed?
Then I wanted to test the softwaremanagement tools. Here I got opposed to some bugs or at least strange behaviour.
1. To me it´s not clear what's the concept of having two yast2-Modules doing nearly the same like "Additional Product Repositories" and "Software Repositories".
The new label says "Community repositories". Is it better?
Please diskuss better solutions with us at Bug 298884 - Yast Control Center Entry: Software/Community Repositories ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=298884 )
If the new one should help new users, they have to find this one first. Maybe it just needs a better name. - And the order of the Icons in Yast2 Control Center -> Software seem quiet random to me in the moment.-
That's something we might look into. Please, open a bug report.
I asked for help in another thread of this list about where to find the config files that are responsible for the order of icons in Yast Control Center. Then I will make an enhancement request on this issue.
For this purpose I like the solution of Kubuntu with an easy Installation Tool directly in the menu and the more powerful, less usable one in the system-undermenu. Anyway, at the moment the new Repo-Manager just did not add any repo when I tried.
I don't understand. What do you mean by "new Repo-Manager"?
I meant the module 'yast2 inst_productsources'. In fact it will be possible with this module to add the non-OSS repository before Installation. And if we think it should be first choice for newbies to use it also after installation instead of 'yast2 inst_sources' then the best would be everyone finds this one first. But I don't think we should do that. A standard task of a new user trying out linux will be adding complete multimedia-support. And that should be made as easy as possible. For this case the possibility to choose 'Community Repositories' alias 'yast2 inst_productsources' is just another trap for the user that does not help him for his task. By the way will it be possible to get guru or packman packages from the new one-click web interface?
2. After adding a factory repository (type:YAST) in the old "Software Repositories"-GUI I wanted to close the window, but it did not close. There were 3 minutes of busy mouse-cursor blinking before a popup message told me "Building repository * cache". The progress bar stays at 0% for 4 more minutes then changes for a minute to 12% then window disappears. It should be the first priority to inform the user about a lengthy operation, and not to leave him alone with a roaring fan and a nervous mouse arrow.
The missing progress issue is fixed in FACTORY now.
This is indeed fixed in Beta1. But there are some more situations where I would like to have a quick first reaction from the system. E.g when I try to abort Yast2 while refreshing sources. Added Bug 299536 - Yast2 - Quick Feedback on clicking Abort https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=299536
3. Software Management (yast2 sw_single): I'd like to have one permanent pop-up for all relevant messages during the start of sw_single. The blinking of dozens(?) of windows that I anyway can't read makes me nervous. I want the software to calm me down especially in case of error, and then give me some hint about what to do. "Warning: There was an error in repository initialization" doesn't meet that. I want to know which repo, ( what error,) and what I can do about it.
I suggest to open bug reports for those 2 issues.
Added Bug 299532 - yast2 software management - permanent pop-up for all relevant messages ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=299532 ) Found Bug 298827 - sw_single: MediaException warning text is unhelpful ( https://bugzilla.novell.com/show_bug.cgi?id=298827 )
By the way I like the new way to enable/disable a repo and to choose if it should be refreshed with the checkboxes.
Glad to hear.
What do you like in the upcoming release? Also very good that its now possible to give humanreadable names for the repos. Not so good - its no more possible to just paste the whole url in one field. You have to have 'Server name' and 'Directory on Server'. What for? I would like it even more if I could change the visual order of the repos in this screen.
If you want just past a URL, choose Add -> URL
Stano
thanks for the hint, maybe I was too impatient every time I saw this window, to recognize more than the first options. Meantime I start to really like doing things like that on the commandline anyway. cheers Peter Buschbacher --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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