Slowroll RFE support and multimedia codecs
Hello list, I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic. Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum. So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259 To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman. And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/ Rgds Terje J. Hanssen
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 8:42 AM Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/
I'm going to say the quiet part out loud: why do you need anything from Packman? What is *left* from a multimedia perspective? Outside of an alternate build of ffmpeg enabling more exotic things and a couple of particularly "special" libraries, we shouldn't need Packman for anything and we should not be encouraging people to install Packman for daily use. Web content should just work these days, as Lubos, Jan, Bjorn, and I have been particularly aggressive about ensuring all the basic cases are covered by default. We also should be striving for things to be integrated in the main repositories rather than telling people to activate random extra OBS projects, because random repos on people's systems are just asking for trouble in a whole new way. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
Hi Neal, On Fri, 09 Feb 2024, 14:54:18 +0100, Neal Gompa wrote:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 8:42 AM Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/
I'm going to say the quiet part out loud: why do you need anything from Packman? What is *left* from a multimedia perspective?
Outside of an alternate build of ffmpeg enabling more exotic things and a couple of particularly "special" libraries, we shouldn't need Packman for anything and we should not be encouraging people to install Packman for daily use. Web content should just work these days, as Lubos, Jan, Bjorn, and I have been particularly aggressive about ensuring all the basic cases are covered by default.
We also should be striving for things to be integrated in the main repositories rather than telling people to activate random extra OBS projects, because random repos on people's systems are just asking for trouble in a whole new way.
how would you integrate and make the following applications usable in their non BUILD_ORIG way? - HandBrake - Kodi - ... Cheers. l8er manfred
Am Freitag, 9. Februar 2024, 14:54:18 CET schrieb Neal Gompa:
We also should be striving for things to be integrated in the main repositories rather than telling people to activate random extra OBS projects, because random repos on people's systems are just asking for trouble in a whole new way.
For proper use of Slowroll, I feel we need a build target for it in OBS (in the section 'Distribution', not 'Project') in order to build against it. Is that planned/in scope? Cheers Axel
Den 09.02.2024 14:54, skrev Neal Gompa:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 8:42 AM Terje J. Hanssen<terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/
I'm going to say the quiet part out loud: why do you need anything from Packman? What is *left* from a multimedia perspective?
Outside of an alternate build of ffmpeg enabling more exotic things and a couple of particularly "special" libraries, we shouldn't need Packman for anything and we should not be encouraging people to install Packman for daily use. Web content should just work these days, as Lubos, Jan, Bjorn, and I have been particularly aggressive about ensuring all the basic cases are covered by default.
We also should be striving for things to be integrated in the main repositories rather than telling people to activate random extra OBS projects, because random repos on people's systems are just asking for trouble in a whole new way.
I agree, the best would be to find and install "everything" in main or optional openSUSE package repositories . But I as said in the first reference url above: /Many multimedia codecs are non-free, so they are not included in the openSUSE default repositories due to legal reasons. /Working with video editing and encoding, Cinelerra-GG uses the latest ffmpeg. For example pcm_dvd and pcm_bluray are among ffmpeg encoders enabled from Packman. cf. my initial bug report above. The derfault Gnome video player (Videos) on Slowroll is able to playback the legacy DV video codec after adding a dv demuxer. But trying to install the usual and more powerful VLC and one of the codec packages I now got the following messages: zypper in vlc vlc-codecs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies... Problem: nothing provides 'libprojectM.so.3()(64bit)' needed by the to be installed vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 Solution 2: break vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 by ignoring some of its dependencies Choose from above solutions by number or cancel [1/2/c/d/?] (c):
-- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 10:51 AM Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Den 09.02.2024 14:54, skrev Neal Gompa:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 8:42 AM Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/
I'm going to say the quiet part out loud: why do you need anything from Packman? What is *left* from a multimedia perspective?
Outside of an alternate build of ffmpeg enabling more exotic things and a couple of particularly "special" libraries, we shouldn't need Packman for anything and we should not be encouraging people to install Packman for daily use. Web content should just work these days, as Lubos, Jan, Bjorn, and I have been particularly aggressive about ensuring all the basic cases are covered by default.
We also should be striving for things to be integrated in the main repositories rather than telling people to activate random extra OBS projects, because random repos on people's systems are just asking for trouble in a whole new way.
I agree, the best would be to find and install "everything" in main or optional openSUSE package repositories . But I as said in the first reference url above: Many multimedia codecs are non-free, so they are not included in the openSUSE default repositories due to legal reasons.
Working with video editing and encoding, Cinelerra-GG uses the latest ffmpeg. For example pcm_dvd and pcm_bluray are among ffmpeg encoders enabled from Packman. cf. my initial bug report above.
We should be able to turn pcm formats on in openSUSE's ffmpeg freely.
The derfault Gnome video player (Videos) on Slowroll is able to playback the legacy DV video codec after adding a dv demuxer.
But trying to install the usual and more powerful VLC and one of the codec packages I now got the following messages:
zypper in vlc vlc-codecs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies...
Problem: nothing provides 'libprojectM.so.3()(64bit)' needed by the to be installed vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 Solution 2: break vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 by ignoring some of its dependencies
That looks like you're using the Packman build. VLC's codecs come from ffmpeg, so getting VLC from Packman doesn't really matter. The only thing vlc-codecs does is "force" Packman's ffmpeg to be installed. -- 真実はいつも一つ！/ Always, there's only one truth!
Den 09.02.2024 16:56, skrev Neal Gompa:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 10:51 AM Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Den 09.02.2024 14:54, skrev Neal Gompa:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 8:42 AM Terje J. Hanssen<terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/
I'm going to say the quiet part out loud: why do you need anything from Packman? What is *left* from a multimedia perspective?
Outside of an alternate build of ffmpeg enabling more exotic things and a couple of particularly "special" libraries, we shouldn't need Packman for anything and we should not be encouraging people to install Packman for daily use. Web content should just work these days, as Lubos, Jan, Bjorn, and I have been particularly aggressive about ensuring all the basic cases are covered by default.
We also should be striving for things to be integrated in the main repositories rather than telling people to activate random extra OBS projects, because random repos on people's systems are just asking for trouble in a whole new way.
I agree, the best would be to find and install "everything" in main or optional openSUSE package repositories . But I as said in the first reference url above: Many multimedia codecs are non-free, so they are not included in the openSUSE default repositories due to legal reasons.
Working with video editing and encoding, Cinelerra-GG uses the latest ffmpeg. For example pcm_dvd and pcm_bluray are among ffmpeg encoders enabled from Packman. cf. my initial bug report above.
We should be able to turn pcm formats on in openSUSE's ffmpeg freely.
The derfault Gnome video player (Videos) on Slowroll is able to playback the legacy DV video codec after adding a dv demuxer.
But trying to install the usual and more powerful VLC and one of the codec packages I now got the following messages:
zypper in vlc vlc-codecs Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... Resolving package dependencies...
Problem: nothing provides 'libprojectM.so.3()(64bit)' needed by the to be installed vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 Solution 1: do not install vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 Solution 2: break vlc-3.0.20-1699.6.pm.1.x86_64 by ignoring some of its dependencies
That looks like you're using the Packman build. VLC's codecs come from ffmpeg, so getting VLC from Packman doesn't really matter. The only thing vlc-codecs does is "force" Packman's ffmpeg to be installed.
On Slowroll I had installed ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 from pm by doing the missing libvpl (and other deps) temporary available from Tw oss repo, cf my last comment to the bug referenced. I have used the ffmpeg and vlc combo from pm sucessful for a long time on Lp 15.5 (and partly on Tw beside): zypper se -is ffmpeg-6 vlc Loading repository data... Reading installed packages... S | Name | Type | Version | Arch | Repository ---+---------------------+---------+------------------------+--------+----------- i+ | ffmpeg-6 | package | 6.1.1-150500.3.pm.2 | x86_64 | Packman i+ | libvlc5 | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman i+ | libvlccore9 | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman i+ | vlc | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman i | vlc-codec-gstreamer | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman i+ | vlc-codecs | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman i+ | vlc-noX | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman i+ | vlc-qt | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman i | vlc-vdpau | package | 3.0.20-150500.2.5.pm.1 | x86_64 | Packman
Neal Gompa <ngompa13@gmail.com> writes:
On Fri, Feb 9, 2024 at 8:42 AM Terje J. Hanssen <terjejhanssen@gmail.com> wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/
I'm going to say the quiet part out loud: why do you need anything from Packman? What is *left* from a multimedia perspective? Software that depends on the use patents such as aptx, h265, various features in Mesa, DTS encoder
And as someone else already mentioned various odd codecs. Br, Björn
Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
Rgds Terje J. Hanssen
This request for a bugzilla designation for Slow Roll is a legit request. As of a couple of months ago when I had a fresh install of Slow Roll that had some issues, the bug was also filed against TW. And, I believe at that time Packman was required to get videos to play in the Twitter. A few weeks later Slow Roll imploded on itself via something that happened in zypper, to little fanfare or concern. It was erased and replaced with another OS that I am using right now. Testing of SR was concluded due to failure to thrive in the rough n tumble world of actual bare metal installation. The other request would be for a link to these pages in the email digest, so that one could just click to get to this list, instead of having to dig around in old emails to find a link to it. I believe it is a bit obtuse on the various SUSE web sites on how to get here??
Terje J. Hanssen composed on 2024-02-09 14:41 (UTC+0100):
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic. ... So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
Are you an openSUSE user, or a SUSE user? Do we want openSUSE to grow? Do we want potential users befuddled? These mailing list posts show up in web searches. I'm an openSUSE user: https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259 https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1210603 -- Evolution as taught in public schools is, like religion, based on faith, not based on science. Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata
On 2/9/24 05:41, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
Hello list,
I don't know if this is the correct location for this topic.
Even that Slowroll may be in a test phase, it would be wishable to have somewhere to communicate and route specific requests for support and enhancements. For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
So far I have used product name Tumbleweed in bugzilla regarding ffmpeg-6-6.1.1 https://bugzilla.suse.com/show_bug.cgi?id=1219259
For new Bugzilla targets, you should be sending a message to bugzilla-admins@suse.com And asking for Slowroll to be setup as a Product, under the openSUSE Umbrella.
To do real test of Slowroll on desktops as I want, we need to use it as a full time replacement for Leap 15.5 or Tumbleweed. That is, we need optional access to all additional package repositories for multimedia:/libs, codecs enabled tools and applications from OBS and All from Packman.
As far as things not needing to rely on devel: repositories like multimedia:/libs, that is for the Developers of Slowroll to decide how they want to handle it, and not something that is decided by somebody else. Packman issues don't belong here, as Packman is not part of the openSUSE project, in any way, shape, or form. It's a third-party service, provided by an unaffiliated group, if you wish to see some sort of Slowroll buildtarget on packman, you would need to contact the Packman administrators at https://lists.link2linux.de/cgi-bin/mailman/listinfo/packman
And corresponding installation support for Slowroll using OPI, Zypper, YaST https://en.opensuse.org/Additional_package_repositories en.opensuse.org is a wiki, and can be edited by anybody, feel free.
https://opensuse-guide.org/codecs.php https://ostechnix.com/how-to-install-multimedia-codecs-in-opensuse/
Neither of these sites are part of the openSUSE project, if you have issues with the content they are providing, you should be contacting the administrators of those sites, through whatever mechanism they provide.
Rgds Terje J. Hanssen
I mean, I'm just going to state this. The -Factory Mailing list isn't the place to make these sorts of requests. I know it's a common misconception, but there is no "In Charge Of" in openSUSE, like there is with Fedora, with FESCo and the SIG's (Just as an example) The developers working on Slowroll are the ones that make the decisions on how they wish to handle it, And I haven't the foggiest if they regularly follow the -Factory ML, or where they may discuss their development roadmaps or models. Packman
I do just want to make it clear, that I'm not affiliated with the Packman Project, in any way, shape or form. The lone "Packman" there at the end of my response is something I missed while editing, and not any claim to speak on behalf of the Packman Project.
On 10/02/2024 19.27, Shawn W Dunn wrote:
The developers working on Slowroll are the ones that make the decisions on how they wish to handle it, And I haven't the foggiest if they regularly follow the -Factory ML, or where they may discuss their development roadmaps or models.
Yes, I read here every now and then, but might still miss important posts, so feel free to CC me directly on important issues. I'll try to push for a Slowroll entry in Bugzilla (possibly as a version under Tumbleweed next to "Current") and for a Slowroll distribution build target on build.opensuse.org Ciao Bernhard M.
On Fri, 9 Feb 2024 14:41:49 +0100, Terje J. Hanssen wrote:
For example Product name 'Slowroll' in bugzilla, possibly mailing list and forum.
There is a 'slowroll' tag available in the forums, currently showing 34 topics (posts/threads) that use it. -- Jim Henderson Please keep on-topic replies on the list so everyone benefits
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