[opensuse-factory] New Tumbleweed snapshots being delayed
Dear Tumbleweed users, You probably already realized that there has not been any new, published Tumbleweed snapshot for a couple days (last one published is 20170913 for now). The reason for the delay are the changes in the glibc package, where libnss_nis and libnss_compat have been split out into external packages. Those packages in turn are now linked against an IPv6- supporting RPC implementation (TI-RPC instead of Sun-RPC). It works fine in all scenarios where the upgrade happens using 'zypper', but upgrading using YaST (boot from media, select upgrade) from 'any release' to Tumbleweed gets it wrong (it does not follow the exact same settings as zypper dup does). The issues such an upgrade would introduce are many and widespread, so we could not even 'just document' on how to get out of it again (just installing packages in plus won't work). The people with 'the right powers' are set on the bug [0] and are discussing and evaluating the right approach forward - and once a fix is ready, we will try to integrate this asap into 'the Factory', have it tested, tested, tested and hope to give you a new snapshot soon again. Submissions are all normally staged/reviewed/accepted and we still test daily snapshots. Hence, as soon as there will be a snapshot released, it will be a collection of things that happened in the days since September 14th. Thanks for your patiance, Dominique [0] https://bugzilla.opensuse.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1059065
El 19-09-2017 a las 8:23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar escribió:
The reason for the delay are the changes in the glibc package, where libnss_nis and libnss_compat have been split out into external packages. Those packages in turn are now linked against an IPv6- supporting RPC implementation (TI-RPC instead of Sun-RPC).
Most TW users probably do not care about about this at all..it should sufice they ensure there is no "compat" glibc module configured on their systems' /etc/nsswitch.conf, replacing "compat" for "files". -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On Thu, 2017-09-21 at 12:07 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 19-09-2017 a las 8:23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar escribió:
The reason for the delay are the changes in the glibc package, where libnss_nis and libnss_compat have been split out into external packages. Those packages in turn are now linked against an IPv6- supporting RPC implementation (TI-RPC instead of Sun-RPC).
Most TW users probably do not care about about this at all..it should sufice they ensure there is no "compat" glibc module configured on their systems' /etc/nsswitch.conf, replacing "compat" for "files".
Sure - but a) most is not good enough; NIS also 'breaks' with it. And there ARE users out there. b) asking 100k users to manually check their configuration is not what we are striving for c) New users migrating to TW might not even have read the info here yet before they attempt, fail and abandon TW again right away The fixes are shaping up and as far as I know and we can hopefully resume releasing TW soon again. Cheers Dominique
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Hi, as a "new" user of tw (installed at 16.08. and since 07.09.2017 on this list) (because i to be fed up of version jumps who brake everyting) i do not care about delays, i care much more if tw updates not run smoothly. small problems may appear inside a rolling release, but if the problem is known before, better make some delays and fix. otherwise a lot of people will maybe have the problem and will leave tw because "not usable". i use (will use) tw in production enviorement and hopefully it will be most times stable not braking to much things at once. simoN Am 21.09.2017 um 18:31 schrieb Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar:
On Thu, 2017-09-21 at 12:07 -0300, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
El 19-09-2017 a las 8:23, Dominique Leuenberger / DimStar escribió:
The reason for the delay are the changes in the glibc package, where libnss_nis and libnss_compat have been split out into external packages. Those packages in turn are now linked against an IPv6- supporting RPC implementation (TI-RPC instead of Sun-RPC).
Most TW users probably do not care about about this at all..it should sufice they ensure there is no "compat" glibc module configured on their systems' /etc/nsswitch.conf, replacing "compat" for "files".
Sure - but
a) most is not good enough; NIS also 'breaks' with it. And there ARE users out there. b) asking 100k users to manually check their configuration is not what we are striving for c) New users migrating to TW might not even have read the info here yet before they attempt, fail and abandon TW again right away
The fixes are shaping up and as far as I know and we can hopefully resume releasing TW soon again.
Cheers Dominique
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On Thu, Sep 21, Cristian Rodríguez wrote:
Most TW users probably do not care about about this at all..it should sufice they ensure there is no "compat" glibc module configured on their systems' /etc/nsswitch.conf, replacing "compat" for "files".
All TW users, which installation is older than about one year, will suffer from this and neither user names nor groups are resolveable, if they don't manual adjust /etc/nsswitch.conf. So I would say, that most TW users will care. But this problem is only the tip of the iceberg. It is a generic bug in the update stack, which we only found by accident when debugging the problem, why the update does not work in this case. I don't want to know what else got broken or can get broken due to this. Thorsten -- Thorsten Kukuk, Distinguished Engineer, Senior Architect SLES & CaaSP SUSE LINUX GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nuernberg, Germany GF: Felix Imendoerffer, Jane Smithard, Graham Norton, HRB 21284 (AG Nuernberg) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
El 21-09-2017 a las 15:32, Thorsten Kukuk escribió:
All TW users, which installation is older than about one year, will suffer from this and neither user names nor groups are resolveable,
Yes, I got hit myself with this while doing some experimentation. had no clue what was going for hours until I remembered about the existance of this configuration file.. Things fell apart and error messages were not helpful or misleading. (password database corrupted.. no such user... not even the emergency shell helped..this is probably a bug per se...oh and yast users crashed oops) -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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