[opensuse-factory] Factory versus Tumbleweed : kernel versions
Why in Tumbleweed we have 2.6.39x and in Factory we have 2.6.38x ? Shouldn't factory have the same or a bit in advance ? -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:37:31AM +0200, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
Why in Tumbleweed we have 2.6.39x and in Factory we have 2.6.38x ?
Shouldn't factory have the same or a bit in advance ?
It should, and it will catch up, I wanted to get .39 into Tumbleweed due to it fixing a number of bugs that people were reporting. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:42:15AM +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
I don't at all, it's just that I don't do the kernel checkin to Factory, so I can't control it. Either I wait for it to hit Factory and delay the bug fixes to users, or check it into Tumbleweed now to help the users who are hit by this. I'm sure you would do the same thing if you were in my situation. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/2011 05:42 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
The Factory checkin is coming today. There was a build failure in the Xen kernel due to gcc 4.6 being more aggressive about certain types of checks. Jan fixed that this morning and I'll check it in. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SuSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3aYqIACgkQLPWxlyuTD7J+EwCfc1K58F5c+CgECMsuLCbgVpzr JQUAnRh7Gn6NsnnYY7JIqmJcYwnZomS5 =QIRz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/2011 09:35 AM, Jeff Mahoney wrote:
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Am Mon, 23 May 2011 09:35:30 -0400 schrieb Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com>:
Additionally, i586 died with an ICE of gcc46 in Kernel:HEAD. Fortunately I'm using x86_64 :-) -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 5/22/2011 10:34 AM, Greg KH wrote:
This would be one example item of many of what I mean when I say things like "TW is not advisable, has no plan, is a great idea but not well implemented etc..." The fact that a bug is definitely in a current kernel, and supposedly fixed in a newer kernel, or even if it's definitely fixed in the newer kernel, does NOT make that kernel a suitable kernel for a repo that you tell people is "stable". How well tested is this kernel before you put it into TW? It supposedly fixes this bug, but breaks what else? It should have been in Factory or kotd or some repo that is used by some people for some amount of time before it goes into TW, or else you should take out the word stable from all TW documentation and references. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 05:42:31PM -0400, Brian K. White wrote:
Since how does this show that Tumbleweed has no plan or is not will implemented?
Why do you feel not?
How well tested is this kernel before you put it into TW?
It was tested for 3 months.
It supposedly fixes this bug, but breaks what else?
It breaks nothing else. :)
I'm sorry you feel this way. It sounds like Tumbleweed is something that you might not want to run, and that's fine, no one is forcing you to do so. But to say that there is no testing, plans, or stability is unfair and false. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 05/24/2011 08:15 AM, Greg KH wrote:
A bunch of us over at openSUSE Forums are using it, some in a work environment. We find it quite stable so far, certainly stable within the expectations we have for a process that's not yet very old. We advise taking some elementary precautions and consequently we generally don't have any complaints. We watch the Tumbleweed Forum and more importantly we watch the Factory Mailing List and consequently stay well informed by those two media. I'm very pleased with the Tumbleweed distro so far. Keep up the good work. John A -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Mon, 23 May 2011 17:42:31 -0400 schrieb "Brian K. White" <brian@aljex.com>:
It was in KOTD, I reported bugs against it, they got fixed. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Wed, 25 May 2011 10:01:12 +0200 schrieb Stefan Seyfried <stefan.seyfried@googlemail.com>:
Oh - I forgot: Additionally, 2.6.39 fixes that small XFS regression in 2.6.38.x which did not let disks spin down anymore :-) Brian, maybe SLES is more suitable for your needs than Tumbleweed. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On 5/25/2011 4:04 AM, Stefan Seyfried wrote:
Actually I've been thinking more along the lines of arch. My problem with TW is that it is essentially a new distribution, but without the very non-trivial amount of thought and engineering that goes into a sensibly maintainable distribution. I think it's been ok for some people so far mostly by luck. Few users, few use cases/patterns, little time passed since TW started, so little difference yet in all the packages and the overall OS and integration between packages, between TW and the 11.3-11.4 it started from. But, the kernel package suitability question was answered , ah, suitably (sorry, had to), so, while just from looking at it and how it's been put together so far I still wouldn't touch it myself, I'm willing to be quiet for now and see what happens over time and be proven wrong. My point really wasn't to insult anyone, just to say what I see. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, May 25, 2011 at 12:49:58PM -0400, Brian K. White wrote:
Really? Ok, have fun, but it really seems like your objections to Tumbleweed are going to be identical to the way arch works at the moment. Best of luck, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Sun, May 22, 2011 at 11:37:31AM +0200, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
Why in Tumbleweed we have 2.6.39x and in Factory we have 2.6.38x ?
Shouldn't factory have the same or a bit in advance ?
It should, and it will catch up, I wanted to get .39 into Tumbleweed due to it fixing a number of bugs that people were reporting. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Mon, May 23, 2011 at 11:42:15AM +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
I don't at all, it's just that I don't do the kernel checkin to Factory, so I can't control it. Either I wait for it to hit Factory and delay the bug fixes to users, or check it into Tumbleweed now to help the users who are hit by this. I'm sure you would do the same thing if you were in my situation. thanks, greg k-h -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/2011 05:42 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
The Factory checkin is coming today. There was a build failure in the Xen kernel due to gcc 4.6 being more aggressive about certain types of checks. Jan fixed that this morning and I'll check it in. - -Jeff - -- Jeff Mahoney SuSE Labs -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.16 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org/ iEYEARECAAYFAk3aYqIACgkQLPWxlyuTD7J+EwCfc1K58F5c+CgECMsuLCbgVpzr JQUAnRh7Gn6NsnnYY7JIqmJcYwnZomS5 =QIRz -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On 05/23/2011 09:35 AM, Jeff Mahoney wrote:
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Am Mon, 23 May 2011 09:35:30 -0400 schrieb Jeff Mahoney <jeffm@suse.com>:
Additionally, i586 died with an ICE of gcc46 in Kernel:HEAD. Fortunately I'm using x86_64 :-) -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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