В Sun, 31 Mar 2013 15:03:29 +0200 Christian Boltz пишет:

Hello,

Am Sonntag, 31. März 2013 schrieb Andrey Borzenkov:

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Is it possible to use multiple repo (like primary and update) during installation? I do not see where I can add them in installer.

I didn't use the installer since a long time (thanks to zypper dup ;-) but in the good old times[tm] [1] there was an option to add repos (maybe it's called "Add-On"?) in one of the early steps of the installation.

IMHO it makes sense to add the update repo as early as possible - you'll already get fixes for package installation (%post scripts etc.) and for the second stage of the installation.

Yes. That is exactly the reason I ask. If it is possible, it should really be made more obvious (or even default). You cannot expect users to fiddle with options on command line during installation. Not to mention that I cannot even test it as installer GUI crashes when I switch to tty1 under qemu :)

I never had any problems with adding the update repo that early (but as I said: thanks to zypper dup, I don't run the installer too often ;-)

Regards,

Christian Boltz

[1] IIRC somewhere around 11.1 when my laptop was still new ;-)

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Michal Kubecek wrote:

You can add any repository as an add-on from the installer if you know its URL. There was a RFE some time ago to add update repository into the list of add-on repositories (so that you could just select it from the list rather than having to fill in its URL) but it was rejected (bnc#342573).

That's pretty stupid. How can suse get updates to users needed to install? Back in 9.0, maybe, the installation image was broken, and you were required to get the update loaded in order to install the system. It was a royal pain. MS does it right in this case -- if you are online, it asks if you want to allow it to pull down updates as it installs. Claiming that updated software that replaces the installed software (which was broken) shouldn't be allowed because the updated software hadn't been tested is a bit ludicrous -- neither was the original install SW. The only possibility of getting a fixed version if the original is broken is via updates. If you have a chance to automatically turn that on for a user, that only makes sense. To not do that is shooting yourself (and the user) in the foot. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

В Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:01:09 +0200 Hans Witvliet пишет:

The update-repo does get automatically inserted, but alas after the installation. So within no-time he get's pop-up's that there are so-and-so many packages waiting to be updated.

If network works ... and 12.3 has bug when networking does not work after installation. It is fixed in updated package, but to fix the problem updated package has to be installed during installation, not after ...

It only saves some time to add the update-repo _before_ doing the installation.

It allows distribution to actually benefit from fixes that fix installation issues. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Am 03.04.2013 20:45, schrieb Andrey Borzenkov:

В Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:01:09 +0200 Hans Witvliet пишет:

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The update-repo does get automatically inserted, but alas after the installation. So within no-time he get's pop-up's that there are so-and-so many packages waiting to be updated.

If network works ... and 12.3 has bug when networking does not work after installation. It is fixed in updated package, but to fix the problem updated package has to be installed during installation, not after ...

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It only saves some time to add the update-repo _before_ doing the installation.

It allows distribution to actually benefit from fixes that fix installation issues.

Of course you can also break installations much easier with updates in highly unexpected ways. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 В Thu, 4 Apr 2013 02:16:10 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." пишет:

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On Wednesday, 2013-04-03 at 22:45 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

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В Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:01:09 +0200 Hans Witvliet <> пишет:

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The update-repo does get automatically inserted, but alas after the installation. So within no-time he get's pop-up's that there are so-and-so many packages waiting to be updated.

If network works ... and 12.3 has bug when networking does not work after installation. It is fixed in updated package, but to fix the problem updated package has to be installed during installation, not after ...

You can not install that update during the installation because network does not work during installation, either.

So openSUSE-NET image is just fake? Is openSUSE installer completely different codebase from SLES? -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.19 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFc6Q4ACgkQR6LMutpd94yp5gCgqkYlPOyrrCWXYQjNwr6k4BnE fuYAnRmkPFU6FHVujmmvDm2fA5k7s/Md =VFx5 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- N▀╖╡ФЛr╦⌡yИ ┼Z)z{.╠Гзrз+кК╖╡ФЛr╦⌡z┼^·к╛z┼ЮN┤(·ж°╤ь^ё ч╜И ┼Z)z{.╠Гзrз+кЙ0²ЙХ╔ИЛ╨г╗╝

On 2013-04-04 06:44 (GMT+0400) Andrey Borzenkov composed:

4 Apr 2013 02:16:10 +0200 (CEST) "Carlos E. R." composed:

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You can not install that update during the installation because network does not work during installation, either.

So openSUSE-NET image is just fake?

LOL :-D -- "The wise are known for their understanding, and pleasant words are persuasive." Proverbs 16:21 (New Living Translation) Team OS/2 ** Reg. Linux User #211409 ** a11y rocks! Felix Miata *** http://fm.no-ip.com/ -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2013-04-04 at 09:01 +0200, Per Jessen wrote:

Carlos E. R. wrote:

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You can not install that update during the installation because network does not work during installation, either.

Carlos, are you saying the network installation does not work?? I've done a couple of those, it seems to work fine except for bug#807288 and bug#809843. They are both easily worked around.

(I use DVD installation, not network install) Well, yast failed to setup network during installation, it failed the test and could not download the release notes. Thus it also skipped the repository check and updates that it can do. In my case, I tried with a laptop and wifi. I configured ifup in yast, but after boot it was using NM. No wonder there was no network. You people are talking, I think, of ativating the repos at a much earlier stage, so that installation is pulled from netowrk sources if available instead than from the DVD, in order to correct known problems. I don't like that, either. It may work for those people with fast enough network. For others, it only makea sense to do it with crucial packages that impede initial boot, like a bad kernel. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFdONkACgkQtTMYHG2NR9We/gCglvdrogoelxYiaGbQ09JTrCaz G1kAn2/uiV4rHAgpuY/EvZk1vzRNPRcF =w6R4 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Thursday 04 of April 2013 12:58EN, Per Jessen wrote:

Yes, the OP wanted to know how to add the update repo before starting the installation. It make sense in some cases.

Exactly. It definitely must not be obligatory (I would also appreciate if one could also avoid automatic adding and downloading metadata of standard repositories) and it shouldn't be default but it's good to have such option. Personally I almost always add update repository as an addon because it saves time (I don't have to download and install the package twice). Michal Kubeček -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2013-04-04 at 14:22 +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote:

Once you've got them locally in your private lan, network-speed shouldn't be a problem.

Only IF you have that extra machine with the extra storage. Have you measured what the entire update repo of, say, 12.1 has, in megabytes? Or probably gigabytes? Not everybody can do that. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFdcwoACgkQtTMYHG2NR9VX8QCgmRDh6WO/1QaCMXoVJ6KsJ8Ey hNYAoIGyi8BOD+zICkPrhkt7EG4MTbuw =C2TI -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

On Friday 05 April 2013, Hans Witvliet wrote:

Yes, i can measure those sizes, for 12.1 (the biggest):

du -sh suse/opensuse_12.1/* 16G suse/opensuse_12.1/install 17G suse/opensuse_12.1/source 54G suse/opensuse_12.1/update

BTW when a new version comes out the update repo is almost empty. Also its worth to have a rsync exclude list for not needed archs or language packages. cu, Rudi -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

Op donderdag 4 april 2013 09:09:14 schreef Hans Witvliet:

-----Original Message----- From: Carlos E. R. To: OS-fctry Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Multiple repos during installation? Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 02:16:10 +0200 (CEST)

On Wednesday, 2013-04-03 at 22:45 +0400, Andrey Borzenkov wrote:

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В Wed, 03 Apr 2013 20:01:09 +0200 Hans Witvliet <> пишет:

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The update-repo does get automatically inserted, but alas after the installation. So within no-time he get's pop-up's that there are so-and-so many packages waiting to be updated.

If network works ... and 12.3 has bug when networking does not work after installation. It is fixed in updated package, but to fix the problem updated package has to be installed during installation, not after ...

You can not install that update during the installation because network does not work during installation, either.

When you install a system with a wired Ethernet connection, the network works during installation, even during the second phase. It is only after the second phase, when you can log in or have logged in for the first time, that the network does not work if that update has not been applied. But a reboot cures that problem. I can't remember what the situation was when installing on my laptop without a wired connection. But anyway after installation and a reboot I could configure a working WiFi connection, so after that new repos could be added and all updates could be applied. -- fr.gr. Freek de Kruijf -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----Original Message----- From: Carlos E. R. To: OS-fctry Subject: Re: [opensuse-factory] Re: Multiple repos during installation? Date: Thu, 4 Apr 2013 02:22:07 +0200 (CEST) On Wednesday, 2013-04-03 at 20:01 +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote:

The update-repo does get automatically inserted, but alas after the installation. So within no-time he get's pop-up's that there are so-and-so many packages waiting to be updated.

It only saves some time to add the update-repo _before_ doing the installation.

I find that updating during the installation wastes my time :-) I prefer to finish the installation from the dvd, get the system running, and start using it right away. While I configure things in the system I run the updates - instead of just looking at the screen for a long time during the installation. Of course, the installation has to work. -----Original Message----- hm, if you want to avoid wasting time, why are you installing from DVD? 1) it is way slower than installing over the network 2) the dvd holds only a subset of the official installation repository Update during installation doesn't wast time, if you add the update repo ontime. After you selected what you wanted to install, and dependancies have been sorted out, the installer is wise enough to select the updated packages directly. And they will get installed anyway. A final word, is it 100,000% bullet proof? No, not if you got caught with an rogue patch. Fortunately, patches from suse are tested before they are published. Some _other_ distro's are willing to accept/publish anything: not too many compilation errors seems to be their quality measurement >:] hw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org

-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 On Thursday, 2013-04-04 at 09:29 +0200, Hans Witvliet wrote:

hm, if you want to avoid wasting time, why are you installing from DVD? 1) it is way slower than installing over the network

How so? If I have to download, say, 2 GiB during the installation, that's 5 hours.

2) the dvd holds only a subset of the official installation repository

Update during installation doesn't wast time, if you add the update repo ontime. After you selected what you wanted to install, and dependancies have been sorted out, the installer is wise enough to select the updated packages directly. And they will get installed anyway.

During the initial installation with updates I have to sit looking at the screen, I can not use the computer. I can not be tapping at LO doing work, so that's wasted time. As I don't do installs the first month after release, they may be at least half a gigabyte of updates to wait for. The faster the installation finishes and I can start work, the better. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. (from 12.1 x86_64 "Asparagus" at Telcontar) -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.18 (GNU/Linux) iEYEARECAAYFAlFdNuMACgkQtTMYHG2NR9Wy8gCff2bMFZLd8fmeUFdRFk/WVk3u AJIAnRCdtvgBilScGsINOdzh0lN+Aopx =XKwf -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org