[opensuse-factory] Minimal server without X installs kernel-desktop
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next. Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.7-default main host openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.1.0-1.1-desktop in VirtualBox openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.1.0-46-desktop "Tumbleweed" in EeePC 900 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2011 11:34 AM, Vahis wrote:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
Vahis
Nope a very old bug at least starting at 11.0 :-( This is related to the pattern -- Bruno Friedmann Ioda-Net Sàrl www.ioda-net.ch openSUSE Member & Ambassador GPG KEY : D5C9B751C4653227 irc: tigerfoot -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 05.11.2011 13:35, Bruno Friedmann wrote:
On 11/05/2011 11:34 AM, Vahis wrote:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
Vahis
Nope a very old bug at least starting at 11.0 :-(
This is related to the pattern
OK. I don't think it's a biggie for someone installing a server. I might give my vote for the bug though :) Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.7-default main host openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.1.0-1.1-desktop in VirtualBox openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.1.0-46-desktop "Tumbleweed" in EeePC 900 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/05/2011 12:34 PM, Vahis wrote:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
On real HW an installation with LXDE desktop chose kernel-default. Go figure. Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.7-default main host openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.1.0-1.1-desktop in VirtualBox openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.1.0-46-desktop "Tumbleweed" in EeePC 900 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
Am Samstag, 5. November 2011, 12:34:27 schrieb Vahis:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
kernel-desktop is the default kernel for x86_64, kernel-default is for i586 without pae We considered a rename of kernel-default to kernel-oldhardware, but decided not to. Greetings, Stephan -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
* Stephan Kulow <coolo@suse.de> [11-08-11 06:53]:
Am Samstag, 5. November 2011, 12:34:27 schrieb Vahis:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
kernel-desktop is the default kernel for x86_64, kernel-default is for i586 without pae
We considered a rename of kernel-default to kernel-oldhardware, but decided not to.
So which kernel version is now recommended for servers that usually will be w/o desktop, ie: headless, etc. -- (paka)Patrick Shanahan Plainfield, Indiana, USA HOG # US1244711 http://wahoo.no-ip.org Photo Album: http://wahoo.no-ip.org/gallery2 http://en.opensuse.org openSUSE Community Member Registered Linux User #207535 @ http://linuxcounter.net -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08.11.2011 13:50, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Samstag, 5. November 2011, 12:34:27 schrieb Vahis:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
kernel-desktop is the default kernel for x86_64, kernel-default is for i586 without pae
We considered a rename of kernel-default to kernel-oldhardware, but decided not to.
Greetings, Stephan
Thank you for this information! For the first time I hear that. I'll change mine to kernel-desktop then, I run every possible thing on this machine, desktops, vm:s and servers :) Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.9-default main host openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.1.0-1.2.1-desktop in VirtualBox openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.1.0-46-desktop "Tumbleweed" in EeePC 900 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 08.11.2011 19:47, Vahis wrote:
On 08.11.2011 13:50, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Samstag, 5. November 2011, 12:34:27 schrieb Vahis:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
kernel-desktop is the default kernel for x86_64, kernel-default is for i586 without pae
We considered a rename of kernel-default to kernel-oldhardware, but decided not to.
Greetings, Stephan
Thank you for this information! For the first time I hear that.
I'll change mine to kernel-desktop then, I run every possible thing on this machine, desktops, vm:s and servers :)
Vahis
I was too hasty in my sayings and doings, again :( I may have heard what you said before, not sure. But I sure do remember now, after several attempts to install vboxdrv and NVidia modules and rebooting more than I normally do in a year, why I kept using kernel-default. And I'll keep it again. YMMV Vahis -- http://waxborg.servepics.com openSUSE 11.4 (x86_64) 2.6.37.6-0.9-default main host openSUSE 12.1 (x86_64) 3.1.0-1.2.1-desktop in VirtualBox openSUSE 11.4 (i586) 3.1.0-46-desktop "Tumbleweed" in EeePC 900 -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 11/8/2011 6:50 AM, Stephan Kulow wrote:
Am Samstag, 5. November 2011, 12:34:27 schrieb Vahis:
I wonder why kernel-default is not chosen. The installation is a VBox machine. Perhaps that's why? I'll try on real HW next.
kernel-desktop is the default kernel for x86_64, kernel-default is for i586 without pae
We considered a rename of kernel-default to kernel-oldhardware, but decided not to.
Greetings, Stephan
Are you saying kernel-default is no longer optimized for server use, ie favors throughput over latency, or that there is some other reason not to use kernel-default on x86_64? Or should my install directions remain as they are now: * x86_64 and i586 with <= 3.5G install kernel-default * i586 with > 3.5G install kernel-pae Or should one of those change if I don't want to run a desktop-optimized kernel on my servers? Or is there now no difference in either included features or performance? Or are the differences now all run-time or boot-time configurable? Mostly new boxes are x86_64 only of course, but I have some still fairly relevant boxes (out there in remote colo facilities where it's costly and time consuming and generally a non-trivial project to replace them) that have 32bit xeon's that I neither want to throw away nor leave on old OS versions nor run on a desktop kernel, although updating the to 11.3 or 11.4 and leaving them there until I am ready to junk them might not be too bad since they aren't exactly new anymore either. There are also (admittedly atypical) workloads that are faster in 32bit mode even on the latest hardware. There are also appliances using perfectly current 32bit cpus and vm's that don't need >4G inside the vm. "oldhardware" is a cavalier, broken, and inconsiderate assumption as the only possible use of 32bit code or even non-pae 32bit code today. -- bkw -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
On 09.11.2011 05:57, Brian K. White wrote:
Are you saying kernel-default is no longer optimized for server use, ie favors throughput over latency, or that there is some other reason not to use kernel-default on x86_64?
I have no idea, but...
Or should my install directions remain as they are now: * x86_64 and i586 with <= 3.5G install kernel-default * i586 with > 3.5G install kernel-pae
i586 with capable processor: install kernel-pae. kernel-default has no NX support for example. -- Stefan Seyfried "Dispatch war rocket Ajax to bring back his body!" -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org To contact the owner, e-mail: opensuse-factory+owner@opensuse.org
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