[opensuse-factory] Status of language support in openSUSE 10.3
Hi everyone, as some of you have already noticed, we have slightly changed the language support in openSUSE 10.3. To give you an update of what languages will be supported on which media set, here is a short summary. KDE / GNOME CD: The 1CD's is English-only, _BUT_ you can get all packages supporting your language from the online repositories! DVD (download): Supports English, Portuguese (Brazil and Main), French, Italian, Spanish, German, Chinese (Simpl. & Trad.), Japanese, Russian, Czech, Hungarian, Polish, Finnish, Danish, Swedish and Dutch. Language Addon: Has all the languages that didn't fit on the DVD, ie. is only to be used with the DVD! DVD (retail): Will contain all languages available. So, how did we choose the languages for the DVD? We basically took Novell's Tier 1 and Tier 2 languages, excluding Korean, which we didn't want to ship with only 58% of the strings translated (stats from i18n.opensuse.org). Best, Christoph -- Christoph Thiel, Tech. Project Management, Research & Development SUSE LINUX Products GmbH, GF: Markus Rex, HRB 16746 (AG Nürnberg) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Christoph Thiel wrote:
Hi everyone,
as some of you have already noticed, we have slightly changed the language support in openSUSE 10.3. To give you an update of what languages will be supported on which media set, here is a short summary.
KDE / GNOME CD: The 1CD's is English-only, _BUT_ you can get all packages supporting your language from the online repositories!
the kde cd behavior is quite surprising. on summary, the boot for install system uses localization, when the main system don't (waste of space :-) One *can* choose any langage at boot (first screen) and use his prefered one for the install (good) and this langage is still kept through all the install and on the final one, but after the first reboot, suddenly, the device config windows pops ups then desapear without notice (one can't use it) and kdm starts. so one is in kdm, with only root configured and with english langage (the local langage is configured, but the files are not there, so only english works). if it happen, like for me, than the root pass uses keys not in the same position as qwerty (here the "m"), I coudn't log - long time after I understood than I had to use the qwerty keyboard. the problem is minor. however you could keep some more place suppressing the (here french) keyboard layout for install system (or keep it for the final install) at least there should a warning: "from this point on you will be forced to use a qwerty keyboard" jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-09-12 at 16:48 +0200, jdd wrote:
if it happen, like for me, than the root pass uses keys not in the same position as qwerty (here the "m"), I coudn't log - long time after I understood than I had to use the qwerty keyboard.
the problem is minor. however you could keep some more place suppressing the (here french) keyboard layout for install system (or keep it for the final install)
It would be better to include support for all keyboards layouts right on the CD. Exclude the language strings if the space is needed, but include the keyboard layouts. I believe those files are small enough to be included. Plus, on the first install screen ask for both language and keyboard (in the same screen), which may be different; for instance, I have Spanish keyboard but prefer to use English in software.
at least there should a warning: "from this point on you will be forced to use a qwerty keyboard"
Which is a nuisance. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG6AFttTMYHG2NR9URAlGDAJ4jZjgqKEFTQsWSXN8Ono2bFNHTsgCggeIS OuvOPolil2Q+ZZPhE4fCmZU= =K6sL -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Wednesday 12 September 2007 schrieb Carlos E. R.:
The Wednesday 2007-09-12 at 16:48 +0200, jdd wrote:
if it happen, like for me, than the root pass uses keys not in the same position as qwerty (here the "m"), I coudn't log - long time after I understood than I had to use the qwerty keyboard.
the problem is minor. however you could keep some more place suppressing the (here french) keyboard layout for install system (or keep it for the final install)
It would be better to include support for all keyboards layouts right on the CD. Exclude the language strings if the space is needed, but include the keyboard layouts. I believe those files are small enough to be included.
The keyboard layouts are on CD and you can configure them. But there is no prominent place, you need to go to Expert tab. Something to improve for the next release. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-09-12 at 21:20 +0200, Stephan Kulow wrote:
It would be better to include support for all keyboards layouts right on the CD. Exclude the language strings if the space is needed, but include the keyboard layouts. I believe those files are small enough to be included.
The keyboard layouts are on CD and you can configure them. But there is no prominent place, you need to go to Expert tab. Something to improve for the next release.
If I'm not mistaken, you need to get to the proposal before you can change the keyboard. What I say is that the keyboard should be configurable right at the start of the install, before it asks for the license acceptation, in the same screen where it ask for the language to use during the installation. Not the same thing. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG6D9utTMYHG2NR9URAnSfAJ9TZnZTp+r4FmVab2cge5hx+dKT3wCeJOaZ YwTkyVzUA1SG0kdXLOM+7AM= =qSK1 -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Carlos E. R. schreef:
The Wednesday 2007-09-12 at 16:48 +0200, jdd wrote:
if it happen, like for me, than the root pass uses keys not in the same position as qwerty (here the "m"), I coudn't log - long time after I understood than I had to use the qwerty keyboard.
the problem is minor. however you could keep some more place suppressing the (here french) keyboard layout for install system (or keep it for the final install)
It would be better to include support for all keyboards layouts right on the CD. Exclude the language strings if the space is needed, but include the keyboard layouts. I believe those files are small enough to be included.
Plus, on the first install screen ask for both language and keyboard (in the same screen), which may be different; for instance, I have Spanish keyboard but prefer to use English in software.
at least there should a warning: "from this point on you will be forced to use a qwerty keyboard"
Which is a nuisance.
I want to put my voice to this: Keybord support from start ( no choice: usa naturel ) Personaly i think that hal (or whatever used hwdetection) is able to see what keybord layout is used, so i think that the choice would be obvious, from hardware point of vieuw, and thus could be preselected, without any problem. (except that it has to be implemented?) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-10-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 "release 58" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG6D9FX5/X5X6LpDgRAsAIAJ9FSeL2MFLi2P+wPg+RRzPgBJcnAgCg3zMW V7/Ayxs+9nlwy1q9RhbPMZo= =yP5a -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Am Wednesday 12 September 2007 schrieb M9.:
Personaly i think that hal (or whatever used hwdetection) is able to see what keybord layout is used, so i think that the choice would be obvious, from hardware point of vieuw, and thus could be preselected, without any problem. (except that it has to be implemented?)
Too bad you're wrong. Greetings, Stephan --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Stephan Kulow schreef:
Am Wednesday 12 September 2007 schrieb M9.:
Personaly i think that hal (or whatever used hwdetection) is able to see what keybord layout is used, so i think that the choice would be obvious, from hardware point of vieuw, and thus could be preselected, without any problem. (except that it has to be implemented?)
Too bad you're wrong.
Greetings, Stephan
Wrong? You say? At what point? That hardware detection can see what keybord-layout is used? Or that it has to be implemented? Or both? Do not say that it is not possible, the door shuts if you say those things.. ;-) - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-10-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 "release 58" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG6Ee1X5/X5X6LpDgRAng/AKDiew439nHFczT0rF7zRWDrog903ACfeYf8 9yWo4TNVLX0tTl19XW81AvE= =pxjv -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
M9. schrieb:
Stephan Kulow schreef:
Am Wednesday 12 September 2007 schrieb M9.:
Personaly i think that hal (or whatever used hwdetection) is able to see what keybord layout is used, so i think that the choice would be obvious, from hardware point of vieuw, and thus could be preselected, without any problem. (except that it has to be implemented?)
Too bad you're wrong.
Greetings, Stephan
Wrong? You say?
At what point? That hardware detection can see what keybord-layout is used? Or that it has to be implemented? Or both?
Do not say that it is not possible, the door shuts if you say those things.. ;-)
As far as I know there is no way to detect which letters are printed on the keys and which letter is printed on which key. In other words: The hardware is generic and only the labels differ from layout to layout. You might use a webcam to.... (uuh.. just kidding ;)) --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 Robin Knapp schreef:
M9. schrieb:
Stephan Kulow schreef:
Am Wednesday 12 September 2007 schrieb M9.:
Personaly i think that hal (or whatever used hwdetection) is able to see what keybord layout is used, so i think that the choice would be obvious, from hardware point of vieuw, and thus could be preselected, without any problem. (except that it has to be implemented?)
Too bad you're wrong.
Greetings, Stephan
Wrong? You say?
At what point? That hardware detection can see what keybord-layout is used? Or that it has to be implemented? Or both?
Do not say that it is not possible, the door shuts if you say those things.. ;-)
As far as I know there is no way to detect which letters are printed on the keys and which letter is printed on which key. In other words: The hardware is generic and only the labels differ from layout to layout. You might use a webcam to.... (uuh.. just kidding ;))
I mean that is recognised what kind of keybord is used, like logitech cordless... So if the information is in the hardware, (eeprom), it can be read.. 7 button mice are also recognised? If something is realy usefull, or nessesary, it should be made possible, (imho). Not a big thing to add this info in the hardware itself? - -- Have a nice day, M9. Now, is the only time that exists. OS: Linux 2.6.22.5-10-default x86_64 Huidige gebruiker: monkey9@tribal-sfn2 Systeem: openSUSE 10.3 (X86-64) Beta3 KDE: 3.5.7 "release 58" -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v2.0.4-svn0 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Using GnuPG with SUSE - http://enigmail.mozdev.org iD8DBQFG6E68X5/X5X6LpDgRAmokAKDc8YZhK66xc90cRiYt9hIKbPRQHQCfY9pT ixYOnieMKceQDYI7rJDcQhw= =LZ6P -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-09-12 at 22:40 +0200, M9. wrote:
As far as I know there is no way to detect which letters are printed on the keys and which letter is printed on which key. In other words: The hardware is generic and only the labels differ from layout to layout. You might use a webcam to.... (uuh.. just kidding ;))
I mean that is recognised what kind of keybord is used, like logitech cordless... So if the information is in the hardware, (eeprom), it can be read.. 7 button mice are also recognised?
But the layout is nowhere to be read electronically. The electronics inside have no idea of what the keys have printed on their faces. The codes that the keyboard emit to the computer are position based, not "letter" based.
If something is realy usefull, or nessesary, it should be made possible, (imho).
Not a big thing to add this info in the hardware itself?
More than what you think, those things are really simple electronically. And you would have to convince all manufacturers. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG6H+itTMYHG2NR9URAkoxAJ94e2i+5Pi3YUzRebLclNzCIAmihgCdEP3v YESiHJCi87pVk6XttbwWkVo= =AA4A -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
-----BEGIN PGP SIGNED MESSAGE----- Hash: SHA1 The Wednesday 2007-09-12 at 22:23 +0200, Robin Knapp wrote:
As far as I know there is no way to detect which letters are printed on the keys and which letter is printed on which key. In other words: The hardware is generic and only the labels differ from layout to layout.
Yep. Unless the many makers agree on a standard to save and retrieve a language code in the keyboard. No such think exists, AFAIK. - -- Cheers, Carlos E. R. -----BEGIN PGP SIGNATURE----- Version: GnuPG v1.4.5 (GNU/Linux) Comment: Made with pgp4pine 1.76 iD8DBQFG6FeLtTMYHG2NR9URAtz5AJwNHtvEBNSf8TMjK/LQhaGR+FsOiQCfZKl0 +iXYiEM0stIL0J12fGrXG3s= =SC3e -----END PGP SIGNATURE----- --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 10:23:05PM +0200, Robin Knapp wrote:
M9. schrieb:
Stephan Kulow schreef:
Am Wednesday 12 September 2007 schrieb M9.:
Personaly i think that hal (or whatever used hwdetection) is able to see what keybord layout is used, so i think that the choice would be obvious, from hardware point of vieuw, and thus could be preselected, without any problem. (except that it has to be implemented?)
Too bad you're wrong.
Greetings, Stephan
Wrong? You say?
At what point? That hardware detection can see what keybord-layout is used? Or that it has to be implemented? Or both?
Do not say that it is not possible, the door shuts if you say those things.. ;-)
As far as I know there is no way to detect which letters are printed on the keys and which letter is printed on which key. In other words: The hardware is generic and only the labels differ from layout to layout.
Exactly. You can easily see that as I type using the american keyboard layout on my laptop that is covered with Japanese keys. There is no way the hardware can report this, sorry. thanks, greg k-h --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Greg KH wrote:
There is no way the hardware can report this, sorry.
could it be that an indirect process could do: I mean, for example "hit 'a' key" message, and scanning what key is hit how many key hits would be necessary to detect all the possible keyboards? jdd -- http://www.dodin.net --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Thu, Sep 13, 2007 at 08:12:44AM +0200, jdd wrote:
Greg KH wrote:
There is no way the hardware can report this, sorry.
could it be that an indirect process could do: I mean, for example "hit 'a' key" message, and scanning what key is hit
how many key hits would be necessary to detect all the possible keyboards?
Actually, I think I have seen this type of detection before on other operating systems (OSX I think), so this is a way to solve the problem. But again, it's not something that can be detected automatically from the hardware, which is what the original poster proposed. thanks, greg k-h --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Wed, Sep 12, 2007 at 10:10:29PM +0200, M9. wrote:
Stephan Kulow schreef:
Am Wednesday 12 September 2007 schrieb M9.:
Personaly i think that hal (or whatever used hwdetection) is able to see what keybord layout is used, so i think that the choice would be obvious, from hardware point of vieuw, and thus could be preselected, without any problem. (except that it has to be implemented?)
Too bad you're wrong.
Greetings, Stephan
Wrong? You say?
At what point? That hardware detection can see what keybord-layout is used? Or that it has to be implemented? Or both?
Do not say that it is not possible, the door shuts if you say those things.. ;-)
Works fine with USB keyboards, which report the keys directly and also have Language Sub-Descriptors. However if you typing using a american layout into a japanese keyboard, you can't be helped this way. Ciao, Marcus --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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