[opensuse-factory] Good News! - The Canterbury Distribution
Saw this on all of the distro home pages except for Gentoo. A very intriguing idea "The Canterbury Distribution We are pleased to announce the birth of the Canterbury distribution. Canterbury is a merge of the efforts of the community distributions formerly known as Debian, Gentoo, Grml, openSUSE and Arch Linux. The target is to produce a really unified effort and be able to stand up in a combined effort against proprietary operating systems, to show off that the Free Software community is actually able to work together for a common goal instead of creating more diversity." -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:48:59 +0530, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
there's more good news: you have a chance to win all of KDE now--for just 100 euros: http://dot.kde.org/2011/04/01/your-chance-win-kde "The international KDE community today announced that it will offer itself up in an exciting lottery. Even though the prize is far more substantial than that offered in El Gordo, the entry fee is a mere €100, which can be spread over a year (equating to less that €2 per week). Those taking part will not only get the chance to win access to the current full catalog of KDE software, valued in the millions of dollars by independent experts ohloh, but also access to future updates and the expertise of a widely respected worldwide network of developers, translators, documentation writers, promoters, artists and more." -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Actually, Canterbury comes up on the Gentoo home page as if it is its own. Google is returning posts suggesting it's a hack or an April 1 joke. If so, masterfully done. If for real. very interesting - especially given the diversity of the distros. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Fri, 01 Apr 2011, dwgallien wrote:
Actually, Canterbury comes up on the Gentoo home page as if it is its own.
Tried opensuse.org? I *LOVE* coordinated fools-day-pranks ;) Anyway: I like the idea! AND, more importantly, it shows that openSUSE is far from being dead! Let me paraphrase the "message" ... - openSUSE is openminded, broadly "targetted" and welcoming to everyone (straight from the Canterbury opensuse.org page[1]) - openSUSE is not bleeding Edge (like Arch), but Tumbleweed + Packman + home:* and such can fix that (Yay, for you guys working on that), I still think the search "fallbacks" (or defaults) need to be adjusted. - openSUSE is not-as-strictly open-and-stable as Debian, but maybe not quite that dependable (that's what SLES/SLED are for, eh?) - openSUSE is (for me increasingly sadly, I hate "automatisms") not as malleable as gentoo. *ARGH*! Just now, there's a really "bad" idea popping into my mind[2] - openSUSE is ... well, SUSE Live-CDs exist, haven't used one though in years - openSUSE is definitely not as dumbed-down as Ubuntu (though: what's the current default /etc/sudoers without comments?) I do not know RHEL/Fedora or Mandriva or others enough for more comments. Anyway, I think oS is doing that reaaaalllly difficult act of doing the splits between desktop / new-user-friendlyness and server / admin / more-admin-typey-user very well. Yes, there are some (huge) drawbacks. As a "backwards" guy, all that libpulse, dbus, udev (ok, it seems better than hal), using XML and libxml for basic system config is just insane, {Console,Policy,Device}Kit (what are they for, anyway?) who needs that stuff? I use plain Alsa and X and WindowMaker, xterms and /etc/fstab (with both device-specific as well as port-specific devices for some USB stuff ;) Anyway: so far, I've found oS to be easier malleable into mostly what *I* want than other distributions (apart from Gentoo, and even there I have already had to edit+"overlay" "ebuilds" to get what I want (e.g. no pulseaudio, IIRC)). BTW: has anyone else had a "nullok" in /etc/pam.d/*? -dnh [1] screenshot made ;) [2] make SUSE configurable via a local OBS, i.e. make the *.spec + source from which oS is built (and more) availabe like the gentoo portage-tree is made availabe. With a lot of work to use "flags" instead of hard-coded stuff ("--enable-foo"/"--disable-foo" depending on configure scripts etc.), one could basically keep oS as it is and enable advanced users (e.g. me) to disable certain "features" "systemwide" (basically not linking to some stuff like e.g. kerberos, libpulse or whatever) and rebuild packages locally ... Wild, I know ;) But the actual work would be relatively small (but would clutter .spec files with stuff like %configure \ %if 0%{use_krb} --enable-kerberos \ %else --disable-kerberos \ %endif etc. But it still sound strangely attractive to me, esp. if you could mix/merge "locally-spun" packages (with _your_ flags) with ordinary e.g. "oss-repo" packages ... Maybe use %use_kerberos macros instead (c.f. perl/python macros). It'd be a killer-feature if you'd ask me ;) And by using a local OBS, you only get the people that know what they're doing (gentoo also has some hurdles to take) to use it, i.e. "bugs will usually be real bugs" ;) Anyway, using something like the Gentoo "USE" flags as specfile macros sounds disturbingly attractive to me ... *scnr* --
On Friday 01 April 2011 08:47:32 David Haller wrote:
To me, with OBS and Studio, openSUSE is malleable to a far wider audience at the distro-customisation-by-package-selection and preconfiguration level. I grant you that it's not as simple to reconfigure compilation en masse as with Gentoo's use flags.
- openSUSE is ... well, SUSE Live-CDs exist, haven't used one though in years
You should try one of our Live images out if you haven't used one since the days of static LiveCDs where you'd try out a distro that then throw away in favour of a DVD. Simple to dd to a fast USB stick (unlike Ubuntu) gives a performant system, then persistent hybrid filesystems make them useful as a portable install, plus they can be used as an install medium that, if you have bandwidth, has no disadvantages to a DVD installation. In summary, for new users in parts of the world with fast internet connections, Live CDs should be the main introduction to the distro. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Fri, 01 Apr 2011, Will Stephenson wrote:
Yeah, the "I do not ever want smb, pulseaudio, blah" that (mostly) is possible with gentoo is what appeals to me the most. Having a "tree" of .spec-files and basically osc (configure to build completely locally) + some smallishish wrappers that DL the source from the Repo, build the stuff with osc and then install it, and still being able to mix with normal oS packages would be the best of both worlds ;)
Haven't the time and I actively hate "Live" configurations. Rembember: I hate automatisms. Keep in mind: up until last October or so, I've used an SUSE 6.2 continuously updated with self-built packages on my then main box (04/'00-10/'10: Athlon 500, 128..320 MB RAM, ~10G..1.2T disk). I usually just use WindowMaker, a dozen xterms or more, XEmacs, mc, mutt, tin, gkrellm, xawtv ... -dnh -- Rigsby: "How does he do it?" [someone getting all the women] Jane: "[..] You gotta know what buttons to press." Lisbon: "Like we're toasters." Van Pelt: "Like men don't have buttons too." Jane: "Men are like toasters. Women - a little more like accordions." -- The Mentalist - 1x14 - Crimson Casanova -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
On Fri, 01 Apr 2011 07:48:59 +0530, Larry Stotler <larrystotler@gmail.com> wrote:
there's more good news: you have a chance to win all of KDE now--for just 100 euros: http://dot.kde.org/2011/04/01/your-chance-win-kde "The international KDE community today announced that it will offer itself up in an exciting lottery. Even though the prize is far more substantial than that offered in El Gordo, the entry fee is a mere €100, which can be spread over a year (equating to less that €2 per week). Those taking part will not only get the chance to win access to the current full catalog of KDE software, valued in the millions of dollars by independent experts ohloh, but also access to future updates and the expertise of a widely respected worldwide network of developers, translators, documentation writers, promoters, artists and more." -- phani. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Actually, Canterbury comes up on the Gentoo home page as if it is its own. Google is returning posts suggesting it's a hack or an April 1 joke. If so, masterfully done. If for real. very interesting - especially given the diversity of the distros. -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Fri, 01 Apr 2011, dwgallien wrote:
Actually, Canterbury comes up on the Gentoo home page as if it is its own.
Tried opensuse.org? I *LOVE* coordinated fools-day-pranks ;) Anyway: I like the idea! AND, more importantly, it shows that openSUSE is far from being dead! Let me paraphrase the "message" ... - openSUSE is openminded, broadly "targetted" and welcoming to everyone (straight from the Canterbury opensuse.org page[1]) - openSUSE is not bleeding Edge (like Arch), but Tumbleweed + Packman + home:* and such can fix that (Yay, for you guys working on that), I still think the search "fallbacks" (or defaults) need to be adjusted. - openSUSE is not-as-strictly open-and-stable as Debian, but maybe not quite that dependable (that's what SLES/SLED are for, eh?) - openSUSE is (for me increasingly sadly, I hate "automatisms") not as malleable as gentoo. *ARGH*! Just now, there's a really "bad" idea popping into my mind[2] - openSUSE is ... well, SUSE Live-CDs exist, haven't used one though in years - openSUSE is definitely not as dumbed-down as Ubuntu (though: what's the current default /etc/sudoers without comments?) I do not know RHEL/Fedora or Mandriva or others enough for more comments. Anyway, I think oS is doing that reaaaalllly difficult act of doing the splits between desktop / new-user-friendlyness and server / admin / more-admin-typey-user very well. Yes, there are some (huge) drawbacks. As a "backwards" guy, all that libpulse, dbus, udev (ok, it seems better than hal), using XML and libxml for basic system config is just insane, {Console,Policy,Device}Kit (what are they for, anyway?) who needs that stuff? I use plain Alsa and X and WindowMaker, xterms and /etc/fstab (with both device-specific as well as port-specific devices for some USB stuff ;) Anyway: so far, I've found oS to be easier malleable into mostly what *I* want than other distributions (apart from Gentoo, and even there I have already had to edit+"overlay" "ebuilds" to get what I want (e.g. no pulseaudio, IIRC)). BTW: has anyone else had a "nullok" in /etc/pam.d/*? -dnh [1] screenshot made ;) [2] make SUSE configurable via a local OBS, i.e. make the *.spec + source from which oS is built (and more) availabe like the gentoo portage-tree is made availabe. With a lot of work to use "flags" instead of hard-coded stuff ("--enable-foo"/"--disable-foo" depending on configure scripts etc.), one could basically keep oS as it is and enable advanced users (e.g. me) to disable certain "features" "systemwide" (basically not linking to some stuff like e.g. kerberos, libpulse or whatever) and rebuild packages locally ... Wild, I know ;) But the actual work would be relatively small (but would clutter .spec files with stuff like %configure \ %if 0%{use_krb} --enable-kerberos \ %else --disable-kerberos \ %endif etc. But it still sound strangely attractive to me, esp. if you could mix/merge "locally-spun" packages (with _your_ flags) with ordinary e.g. "oss-repo" packages ... Maybe use %use_kerberos macros instead (c.f. perl/python macros). It'd be a killer-feature if you'd ask me ;) And by using a local OBS, you only get the people that know what they're doing (gentoo also has some hurdles to take) to use it, i.e. "bugs will usually be real bugs" ;) Anyway, using something like the Gentoo "USE" flags as specfile macros sounds disturbingly attractive to me ... *scnr* --
On Friday 01 April 2011 08:47:32 David Haller wrote:
To me, with OBS and Studio, openSUSE is malleable to a far wider audience at the distro-customisation-by-package-selection and preconfiguration level. I grant you that it's not as simple to reconfigure compilation en masse as with Gentoo's use flags.
- openSUSE is ... well, SUSE Live-CDs exist, haven't used one though in years
You should try one of our Live images out if you haven't used one since the days of static LiveCDs where you'd try out a distro that then throw away in favour of a DVD. Simple to dd to a fast USB stick (unlike Ubuntu) gives a performant system, then persistent hybrid filesystems make them useful as a portable install, plus they can be used as an install medium that, if you have bandwidth, has no disadvantages to a DVD installation. In summary, for new users in parts of the world with fast internet connections, Live CDs should be the main introduction to the distro. Will -- Will Stephenson, KDE Developer, openSUSE Boosters Team SUSE LINUX Products GmbH - Nürnberg - AG Nürnberg - HRB 16746 - GF: Markus Rex -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
Hello, On Fri, 01 Apr 2011, Will Stephenson wrote:
Yeah, the "I do not ever want smb, pulseaudio, blah" that (mostly) is possible with gentoo is what appeals to me the most. Having a "tree" of .spec-files and basically osc (configure to build completely locally) + some smallishish wrappers that DL the source from the Repo, build the stuff with osc and then install it, and still being able to mix with normal oS packages would be the best of both worlds ;)
Haven't the time and I actively hate "Live" configurations. Rembember: I hate automatisms. Keep in mind: up until last October or so, I've used an SUSE 6.2 continuously updated with self-built packages on my then main box (04/'00-10/'10: Athlon 500, 128..320 MB RAM, ~10G..1.2T disk). I usually just use WindowMaker, a dozen xterms or more, XEmacs, mc, mutt, tin, gkrellm, xawtv ... -dnh -- Rigsby: "How does he do it?" [someone getting all the women] Jane: "[..] You gotta know what buttons to press." Lisbon: "Like we're toasters." Van Pelt: "Like men don't have buttons too." Jane: "Men are like toasters. Women - a little more like accordions." -- The Mentalist - 1x14 - Crimson Casanova -- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org
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