On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> writes:

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:48:28PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:

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This basically boils down to first identifying the dependency sets for - the install-time dependencies of a minimal install - the build-requirements to build the minimal install system - the build and install-time requirements of the minimal build-root

and so identify the current CORE system. From that prune out things that we do not want in that CORE system (like emacs) by fixing package install and build time dependencies.

Do not remove emacs. I use it.

Do you need it in the CORE build system?

Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:

On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:20:12AM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.

A core system is not the system you want to have but a system that is a bare minimum that is needed to run the most basic system functionality. Removing any application from the core system does not mean you can no longer use it.

Yes, I understand that. But a core function is to edit config files(CLI). And to do that an editor is required. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> writes:

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Do you need it in the CORE build system?

Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.

In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need an editor at all. The "CORE install" systems needs one - and both emacs and vi should be in it. Hope that solves the confusion here, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:15:27AM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

On Thu 31 Aug 2006 06:43:37 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need an editor at all.

True. This will hopefully sort out (ie drop) the vi requirement from buildrequires of SUSE packages.

10.1 doesn't have expanded BuildRequires anymore. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> writes:

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On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:

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On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 03:48:28PM +0200, Richard Guenther wrote:

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This basically boils down to first identifying the dependency sets for - the install-time dependencies of a minimal install - the build-requirements to build the minimal install system - the build and install-time requirements of the minimal build-root

and so identify the current CORE system. From that prune out things that we do not want in that CORE system (like emacs) by fixing package install and build time dependencies.

Do not remove emacs. I use it.

Do you need it in the CORE build system?

Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

On Wed, 30 Aug 2006, Robert Schiele wrote:

On Wed, Aug 30, 2006 at 10:20:12AM -0600, Boyd Lynn Gerber wrote:

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Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.

A core system is not the system you want to have but a system that is a bare minimum that is needed to run the most basic system functionality. Removing any application from the core system does not mean you can no longer use it.

Yes, I understand that. But a core function is to edit config files(CLI). And to do that an editor is required. -- Boyd Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> ZENEZ 1042 East Fort Union #135, Midvale Utah 84047 --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org

Boyd Lynn Gerber <gerberb@zenez.com> writes:

...

Do you need it in the CORE build system?

Maybe I look at core wrong. I feel a core system should have vi and emacs as the default editors. I do not want to cause a vi/emacs debate. So they should be in core.

In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need an editor at all. The "CORE install" systems needs one - and both emacs and vi should be in it. Hope that solves the confusion here, Andreas -- Andreas Jaeger, aj@suse.de, http://www.suse.de/~aj/ SUSE Linux Products GmbH, Maxfeldstr. 5, 90409 Nürnberg, Germany GPG fingerprint = 93A3 365E CE47 B889 DF7F FED1 389A 563C C272 A126

On Thu, Aug 31, 2006 at 11:15:27AM +1200, Volker Kuhlmann wrote:

On Thu 31 Aug 2006 06:43:37 NZST +1200, Andreas Jaeger wrote:

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In the context of Richard's suggestion, we speak about the "CORE build system" for automatically building packages and that one does not need an editor at all.

True. This will hopefully sort out (ie drop) the vi requirement from buildrequires of SUSE packages.

10.1 doesn't have expanded BuildRequires anymore. Cheers, Michael. -- Michael Schroeder mls@suse.de main(_){while(_=~getchar())putchar(~_-1/(~(_|32)/13*2-11)*13);} --------------------------------------------------------------------- To unsubscribe, e-mail: opensuse-factory+unsubscribe@opensuse.org For additional commands, e-mail: opensuse-factory+help@opensuse.org